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Roulette The Global Effect

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. Jefra

    Jefra Member

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    ;), Yes, I agree, BUT it always hurts when player plays against bad tables or rigged electronic machines
     
  2. Bombus

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    I definitely fall into that category.
     
  3. Fossell

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    I don't use RX. Not bothered getting a PC (yet). So cant give an accurate average. Im still refining selections. Between 1 and 7 most of time. But cant really say how long for to give averages,
     
  4. Michaela

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    Even betting 7 numbers you need to place over 100,000 bets to have at least a 95% probability that profit (assuming you come out ahead) is due to a real edge and not just to chance. With fewer numbers and/or a progression you need more.

    So bragging about a consistently winning system on the basis of a few hundred or even a few thousand bets is absolutely meaningless.

    This doesn't mean that bias players need to record that many spins, because bias isn't determined by past spins alone, but by additional factors.
     
  5. Jefra

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    Bombus, do you really want to be a "selfish idiot" ? ;)
     
  6. Fossell

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    Ok. Im not bragging though. Just winning. And thats over thousands of spins. Not asking for judgement or analysis of anything Im doing.
     
  7. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is funny, watching people stand by and defend their methods based on how many numbers they bet for each spin. As long as you're consistent then it has a definable balance point. Bet only one number at a time and the balance point is 36 spins. Bet 2 numbers and it balances at 18.

    Here is why I think the debate is awkward. Have you ever looked at the slight ups & downs on a swing trader, (day trading,) chart? It's like little mini swings inside of bigger swings. They look like ripples on small waves. When you play 24 numbers you can see the ripples and the waves in a roulette chart. When you play two or three numbers you can't see the ripples or the waves for days. You can only see the one upward side of the hottest numbers and the one downward side of the colder numbers. You can't see the kind of wave you are on because you live or die by the frequency of the wins among all the other losing spins. You can't see the balance point and therefore can't actually see the trend for hot number bet selection value. I'm sure that most of you can argue that you can see if it's working or not though. But you can never ride the waves like a day trader does. If my goal is to win on the swings of the ripples while winning say 3 net wins. If I set out to do that 7 times in a session, then I have a net 21 wins all based just on the ripples in the waves. 24 numbers have small ripples consistently without regard for hot waves or cold waves. 21 times 12 units = 252 units.

    The Global Effect is about hot waves all over the place and continuing for an hour or two. A single sleeping dozen is a hot wave. But two wins for every loss as a balance point and with an expectation of a 63% chance to win every bet on every spin as the odds makes the ripples the best game in town. You can feed off of the micro swings, ripples, even if there are cold streaks in the waves. But when the waves form as hot streaks the ripples tend to flow in the direction of those net 3 wins more easily. I recommend playing the ripples and the waves. I left the hot number game behind eleven years ago for this kind of thinking.

    I noticed that the brain trust around here has completely ignored the phenomenon of the Global Effect. It should be noted for the sake of history that so many people couldn't see it. It's way more valuable information to know than any fictitious biased wheel, considering that the casinos know to fix broken wheels and all. Nobody is fixing the Global Effect as of yet. There is no need. The smart players are ignoring it to the satisfaction of casino owners bottom lines. It's funny to me to watch so many smart people follow the concept of leaving the bags of gold on the ground and to walk past them. I'm so blown away by all this, given the fact that people here will debate how many angles can fit on the head of a pin. I'll chalk it up to one single thing. You people can't live with the fact that someone would actually give you an advantage for free. It defies the basic principles of human nature and therefore must be a hoax. It's been published for more than a decade. I must congratulate all of you on reaching 10 years and still not being effected by the claim. I was truly worried that it would start a revolution into the nature and characteristics of randomness.
     

  8. Michaela

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    LOL. And "just winning" isn't bragging? Fossell, I'm just pointing out how much data you need to have the claims mean anything.

    Gizmo,

    First you have to define it. Nobody knows what it is. More math, less word salad please.
     
  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    First off you need to be able to recognize a characteristic of randomness. So let's see if you can do that. Do you know what a sleeping dozen is?

    There is no point in going further if you have no idea what a sleeping dozen is. It's like not knowing what lettuce in a salad is. I guess this is a classic retard test. And after following your capacity to articulate research methods I suspect that you are being deliberately argumentative.

    But let's assume that you actually have no idea what a sleeping dozen is. That makes you one of the dumbest contributors to a gambling forum there are. I guess that would be too many radishes in the salad.

    Perhaps someone at this prestige of a forum will feel sorry enough for you and tell you what a sleeping dozen is and looks like in a chart of past spins. I have tried and apparently failed to communicate with you. That first post must look like gibberish to you if you are only using a smart phone as your screen. The first post of this thread is a clue. I decided to use an informative clue presentation method so that communication wasn't a process where retards got confused by self evident information. But you are apparently stupid.

    I'll just say it in case you are really struggling with things on planet earth. There are three dozens that make up the three sections on a Roulette table. Did you know that?

    They are (1 -12), (13 - 24), and (25 - 36) respectively. Is this too much salad for you?

    When one of those dozens does not hit for from 8 to 30 spins in a row then it could said that a term, a descriptive term describing that situation, could be used to identify the condition. Is that too wordy to understand?

    That descriptive word was coined by me more than a decade ago. I notice that many others use the term these days. Have you ever seen the term "sleeping number" or "sleeping column" for instance? I know this is more apt to be constructive than as a sleeping mind must be.

    Are you awake yet?

    So, do you know what a sleeping dozen is?
     
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  10. gizmotron

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    You requested more math, less words. There is a sleeping dozen represented in this string of continuous spins:

    "12, 23, 18, 1, 22, 13, 4, 9, 13, 13, 7, 21, 2, 18, 24, 3, 11, 22,"
     
  11. TurboGenius

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    Actually - the table layout means little or nothing in how you are explaining it.
    Let 30 spins go by then - take 12 of the numbers on the table that haven't shown and make those your "sleeping dozen". There should always be a "dozen" numbers that fit that definition. Don't limit yourself to what's on the table, any combination of 12 numbers can be a dozen and you'll get the same results.
     
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    Yep, years ago I changed it up, for the better.

    A sleeping street? Nope but maybe the 35 0 10 are?
    A hot street? Nope but maybe the 17 27 31 are? etc.
    I break it all down BY INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS.

    Ken
     
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  13. gizmotron

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    I know that. I've known it for more than a decade. I've written software that hunts the millions of combinations for a currently occurring sleeping dozen. Add to that a domination of singles in series too. You don't need a Geiger Counter video to know that one third of the numbers will run a little cool.

    But, as I told you last week, there is the Turbo Effect.

    This does not address the fact that there is also the global effect where a domination of sleeping dozens occurs within the four tracked groupings that are already segregated. I can't take a computer into a casino to identify the sleeping dozen's actual grouping. I have found that it won't work anyway. A lucky streak works mostly independent of the dominant figures. It averages out ahead but gets killed by timing.
     
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    I should add something to this I suppose. There are such things as a coincidence. Lets say the 10 11 12 are currently the 3 hottest numbers. I dont say....the 10 street is hot/on fire. I look at it as, the 10 11 12 are hot (its all in the wording).

    Ken
     

  15. gizmotron

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    You can create any grouping and size that you want to. These pet groups or table layout groups all have the same characteristics. Once your focus is on the characteristics you can adjust your play to accommodate the form being discovered in real time. It's the next step.

    Kimo Li is all bogged down in his magical groupings. It does not change the occurrence of characteristics in randomness. All the interesting things happen no matter what groups you select.
     
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    I would hear at the casino.....the 19 street is hot. Ok, perhaps the 19 & 20 are hitting quite a bit, I admit that but the 21 has not hit in 150 spins. Me personally, I cant say the 19 street is hot.

    Maybe the 19 20 & 34 are hot (presently). Thats how I would word it.

    Ken
     
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    The reason I use 24 numbers is that everything is in a constant state of changing. I'm not limited to a single characteristic that a small group is hot. You can identify the hottest 3 numbers and you must still deal with the changes. I'm not just looking for hot. I'm looking for coincidences that continue. I said so for the past decade. There are patterns, different domination types in series, sleeping dozens, effectiveness streaks, etc... that can come together as coincidental points of advantage. It's all very active and has very few unidentifiable stretches. It takes a skilled and trained expert to take advantage though. 1, 2, or 3 hot numbers is boring to me. I can't see the coincidences until a full 200 to 300 spin season is completed. Yes, it works. There is no denying that. I just like to kill it when a global effect is happening. That's not to mention the perfect reoccurring pattern too. Those are very rare and allow you to place bets as if you knew the future. It's without question the greatest thrill in playing Roulette. Imagine a perfect pattern occurring for 30 to 40 spins in a row. You will never see a perfect pattern in just 3 hot numbers.
     
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    Agreed but shit, I have bills to pay. I'm NOT saying you're wrong Gizmo, just saying that I do whats smart (imo) and correct, it isn't a barrel of laughs playing.

    STREET this, COLUMN that, SPLIT this etc., I dont do that BS anymore.

    Ken
     
  19. Fossell

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    'Just winning' is hardly an excessive statement to be considered bragging my friend.
    Fair enough on the data. I do like to see the numbers across a big range and all charted out. Its very revealing and essential to see whats really going on across any range of results. Afraid Ive just not got the excel skills or RX to accomplish that on a very big scale at the mo.
    And Im not making any claims really. Im not going on about it, Im just getting on with it. Oh and did I mention Im winning. I can't stop winning!!! ;)
     
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  20. gizmotron

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    I agree that the three hottest numbers is a great way to role. But that perfect sequence is what is calling me.
     

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