Craps How much damage do the fiction writers do?

The results in batting practice and pitching practice are far better than the results in a game. No doubt the casino game is tougher but you still have to take craps "batting practice" and "pitching practice."

 

Frank Scoblete - Then you agree that there must be other factors going on in Live games, such as more complicated Quantum Physics, so why do you include dice class or seminar practice throws in your Golden Touch™ CRAPS - WORLD RECORDS AND ACHIEVEMENTS ?

 

Quantum physics is so out of left field here. It isn't even in the ballpark. The science of quantum physics so far beyond this discussion and I would guess your expertise (and mine) that even entertaining it is hubris on our parts. There is not a quantum physicist on earth who would even consider the nonsense of a method of play based on quantum mechanics. Even Einstein found the quantum field to be mind boggling. It is still the outer limits of our knowledge or, rather, lack of knowledge. So some craps players are using the most sophisticated science that even boggles scientists' minds as an explanation for winning at craps? Dice control is nothing at all like that. It is a part of the macroscopic universe; the one Einstein understood and the one all athletics is based on.

I love science and maybe you should recommend that your readers (and the readers of those who propose such silliness) read magazines such as Skeptic, Skeptical Inquirer, Scientific American, Science and Discover (there are others too) so they understand what is actually going on in science as opposed to particle-misunderstanding mumbo-jumbo.

I also have no idea of why you bring World Records into this question. Just for your information, the World Records on GTC are in-casino records except for ones that are specifically stipulated as competitive ones in-house (so to speak). And please, I am no longer involved with GTC owing to the fact that the company, because of the Dominator's thievery, owes me almost $51,000. So the company as it now stands has nothing to do with me. IN fact, I have no idea of what it is doing.

I am not quite sure of what you want of me, Harley. You question my dice expertise. I've answered those questions already (a few times in fact); you also jump into the "fiction writing" thing of Superrick. I wrote about a kid in a "baseball cap" and you have come forward to tell all of us that you were that kid. Was that scene a fictional one? No, obviously not. Still, instead of saying that Frank writes what happened accurately, you jump in with the fiction stuff. Why?

You can disagree with my analysis of craps play. You can disagree with me on my knowledge of dice construction. But I do not see where your attacks keep coming from.

Anyway, I will be away for a while since I have other business to attend to. When I return I'll catch up.

 

Frank Scoblete - What do I want - Just the facts and Somebody is not telling the truth. Frank, most of the GTC website including Golden Touch™ CRAPS - WORLD RECORDS AND ACHIEVEMENTS was constructed during your tenure. Your former GTC Business partner Howard Rock n' Roller told me directly that many of those GTC site records were performed while the GTC teachers were practicing alone on private non-casino tables without independent witnesses.

In fact Frank, you have not answered this question either on here or in your book as far as I can tell (I am still reading it when I am on the porcelain throne) that I asked you over a month ago:

Frank - will you disclose the real reason you had all of your former GTC Business partner Howard Rock n' Roller's record throws erased from your former GTC website ??!!

(From another source: "During his tenure with GTC, Howard Rock n' Roller was a member of their 50, 60, 70 and 80 roll club using the PARR/GTC throwing technique. His longest recorded roll was 84 rolls before the seven-out. During a five day period with GTC, Howard threw hands lasting one 1 hour or more in the casino each day. GTC players referred to him as the "Babe Ruth" of Dice Control because of his long rolls and hitting the hard ways numerous times during his rolls.")

...... I do see in your new book where you do state that Howard Rock n' Roller's tosses now are more like a bunter instead of "Babe Ruth"

 

About that so called claimed world record:

FROM: http://www.theborgata.com/press/press-releases/archive/craps-record

Also: http://www.nextshooter.com/longestroll

No mention of "The Captain"

 

No mention of "The Captain"

And there never will be!

 

Maybe the captain went down with the ship

 

Perhaps " the Captain " the " Mad Professor " and numerous others -

Elect to remain anonymous and to fly " under the radar " that is so pronounced with " Harley and crew " -

I personally know of multiple people who can " DI " - who desire to remain secretive -

" I " wonder WHY SuperRick constantly has to harp on the bad things OTHERS do regards DI -

When HE is the MAIN CULPRIT in letting the casinos know about what HE is TRYING to keep secret !

Obviously, HE should have paid more attention in class in grammar school instead of being in the boy's room sniffing the urinals and toilets ! -

Had he done so - his grammar and punctuation along with his writing skills would be greatly enhanced !

MY OPINION ! Ciao !

$...eE..$

 

Will the real SnakeEyes please stand up ?!

Reply #188 from http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/superrick-vs-the-madprofessor.7809/page-10

 

SnakeEyes,..if all you can do is make childish remarks about Harley and myself you have a problem! There is a big difference between staying under the radar and writing nothing but fiction about taking hundreds of thousands of dollars off the tables a year. No one that shoots a GTC or PARR type of shot can stay under the radar if they are getting lucky and making some box number and taking money off the table they are playing on.

Or is your real problem with Harley and myself that we exposed what the dice really do when they hit the table?

Or is it the fact that you believe anything the Madprofessor writes no matter how outrageous or fictional ? They now tell me that the has been on a losing bender and if you are a member on his craps board you can now read about all of those concerts that he says he always go to and that is about it , or is it because he is posting more on Heavy's board about craps than he is on his own board?

 

Come On Rick -

Admit IT -

YOU are FULL of SH*T -

First YOU state NO ONE HAS SEEN THE Mad Professor -

THEN - in the next breath - as evidenced by YOUR POST ABOVE -

Openly admit that the Mad Professor not ONLY DOES EXIST -

BUT was actually observed playing craps BY YOUR CRONIES -

Either WAY -

YOU ARE A LIAR !

$...eE..$

 

Snakeyes no one has seen the Madprofessor playing craps not even the guys that play in the same casinos he writes about. He is now writing that he is losing when playing craps, gone are the days when he was winning every session he said he played. You can read about that over on the Dice Institute, that is were my cronies as you called them got it from.


By the way there hasn't been one player that has ever seen the Madprofessor ever playing craps and that goes for you so-called friend Howard Rock and Roller or any other DI.


Now if you can't handle the truth I don't know what to tell you, you can call me a liar all you want , but that won't change the fact the the Madprofessor is nothing but a fiction writer!


Take the time to read what you wrote last night, do you wake up every morning to see what you wrote the night before and wonder were it came from? No where in the above thread did I write that someone I know saw the Madprofessor playing craps. They read it on his board that he is now losing when playing craps.


Anybody that is a member of the Dice Institute can read the same thing, now days he is writing more about all of the concerts that he says he goes to in his little trip reports, then writing about craps!

Snakeyes why don't you give the rest of the craps playing world one piece of evidence that our great fiction writer plays craps and that others have met him on the tables!


You could be everybody's hero that needs someone like him to believe in, thinking that by trying to become a so-called DI it is the way that they are going to get rich taking hundreds of thousands of dollars off the tables ever year. Why don't you tell everybody how that is working out for you, while your at it.


Snakeeyes I look forward every morning to see what you wrote, that doesn't make any sense, you give me and every one a good laugh, keep up the good work!


But do me one favor if you are going to write that I said or wrote something please quote it instead of making something up!

 

Just thinking out loud, might it be that MP is technically correct in that he is making money off the the craps/gambling industry. So when MP states he makes $300,000 a year, or whatever the figure is, he may be correct, it is just not totally generated from playing craps. A number of authors use pen names, the cover of "The Mad Professor's Crapshooting Bible's" displays the name, Tino Gambino. I never ever anyone say a word about Tino Gambino, either good, bad or indifferent. So who is this Tino Gambino, seems like he has only written 1 published book, "The Mad Professor's Crapshooting Bible's". Fiction or not, MP, Tino Gambino or whoever it is, this person is a very gifted, well educated, prolific writer. One thing about writers, writing is their high, they just love writing, and all you have to do is go to Heavy's bog, or http://diceinstitute.mxf.yuku.com, to view the reams of articles from MP. MP, if I'm not mistaken, I believe I've read MP has been involved in with craps/gambling since 1975, so It just makes sense during that time he has amassed volumes of stories he has heard, witnessed, or participated in himself which he can refer back to at anytime. It is obvious to me there are those who knows MP's true identity, and there are those who have unknowingly played/socialized with MP. and never it. One day MP's identity may become known, and should that day arrive people are going to be asking themselves why, and the answer is the games was allowed to go on to long and the truth will become an embarrassment. As the next possible President of the U.S., recently said, "What different does it make?" Well in her situation it meant a lot because people died, here it doesn't have any effect on what I believe or what I know that works for me. The newbies coming into this game can't make tails or heads of what or who to believe, and they certainly aren't here to watch the personal attacks. For them I say there are good people here, you need to read both sides, SR and Heavy groups both have good info, read all you can, practice, see what makes sense, then take that knowledge after you really have a firm grasp of it to a real casino so you can make some money.

 

Pressit,
Exactly, what sort of 'good info' are you reading on SR and Heavy's site?

Winning betting methods?
Craps tables with 20x or 100x odds? Beatable bonus bets? A promotion deal that give you EV?

Actually, none of that is ever posted. What is posted is reports that some players go to some casino and play craps. There are claims of good hands and long tosses. There is testimony that the on-axis dice toss works, though it is ambiguous as to 'how it worked' and if the person making the claim actually profits.

In my humble opinion, The Dice Control forums are just of testimony to a gambling system where there is no actual proof to backup any of the claims made about it.

Often when someone who wants to sell me something that is 'too good to be true' they use a lot of appealing to my emotions, testimony of others, and bully arm-twisting tactics such as, "Well if you don't learn our stuff you will just be a loser random roller all of your life".


But lets get down to the truth:

Dice Control is "too good to be true"! This would be like saying that I have this golfing swing that can put your game right up there with Tiger woods and the rest of the PGA masters, and I can teach it to you for a cool $750 per seminar. Really?! So, some magical golf swing is going to make me a PGA golf star and I can win the Masters and have millions of dollars in endorsements and prizes too??? [Cheech and Chong are still smoking!]

I will concede that there are probably a few people who though genetics and practice have excellent eye/hand coordination and can toss the dice and achieve a 6.5 or beyond SRR that will gain the 4% edge over the casino, provided that ONLY the lowest house edge bets are made! Any bet over 2% house edge you then lose your edge! Chances are you are not one of these people, neither am I!

But, but but....

You want to win. That is what it comes to. However, is Craps a game that you can win at? The Casino Host tell me that their whales and high rollers play blackjack, Baccarat, and Video Poker. Oh, and Craps but only a very few can survive and thrive in that game.

I know though my own experience and being taught by a pro player (who does not believe in dice control) that only betting the lowest house edge (Pass/Don't Pass - Come/Don't come) with 5X odds or higher (if you can get 20X or 100X take them!) You can get from a 0.3 to a 0.01% house edge. Using the methods as outlined and described in sam grafstein aka The dice doctor" you can get a further 0.3% reduction on the house edge. You can never bet in a way that will eliminate the house edge totally, but with the use of promotions, match play, free-bets, casino free play, and comp points - it is very possible you will have winning sessions far more than losing ones. The secret is to just never make any bet with an over 2% house edge, and that is all other bets except for the place six and eight. Most people cannot resist the temptation of those higher house edge bets and fall victim to them.

But what about shooting? Is there anything there to do?

There is rhythm rolling. Setting the dice the same way and throwing them the same way players have noticed that a 'pattern' emerges where one or a group of numbers is showing far more than others. This however is never consistent since your position at the table will change, the table surface and backwall will have its effect, and of course the dice themselves may be wonky to the point of tilting all tosses. Rhythm rolling is not something you know the outcome before you go to the table, it is something you see if it emerges and how strong it is, typically a lot of repeats on one number or a tight group of numbers. Capitalizing on rhythm rolling is more of an art of awareness more than it is on any technique to toss the dice. Lastly, rhythm rolling is not dice control or influence. Your not trying to make certain dice faces show up, rather with rhythm rolling you are just seeing what emerges, if anything at all.


To be tearfully honest, most Craps players I know and meet are horrible players. They make the crazy crapper bets such as hardways, horns, yo's, craps check, whirl, place 4,5,9,10 or worse buy them! And, by far most players are weak with their betting and fail miserably at playing an optimal game. This is on par with not knowing basic strategy when playing blackjack or not knowing optimal play for Video Poker, cause you going to lose badly!

 

Who cares if Casinos using unfair dice... If you know what you are doing and what to look for, you can exploit $1000-2000 a session.

That's all I'm gonna say about it.
So many people/DI's want to try and beat the game with their skillset but 95-% don't know how to use their skillset to exploit a 20-50 roll hand. They walk away with !300 and think it's a good session.

I say it's a shitty session and go get a part/full time job doing something else, Bc you are not Taking Full advantage of your skillset. It's like putting Lawrence Taylor on the football field and saying I want you out in coverage vs these tight ends. What a
Waste of talent. Not being a smart ass or arrogant but just saying most good shooters I've seen over 10 years are pussies when it come to betting into their hand. Call it fear, call it scared money, call it whatever you want. Casinos aren't in fear of the shooter, their in fear of a
Bettor that's betting this skilled shooters hand IMO.

Their are too many ways to extract a $1000 a Session off these tables. I do it weekly. It's like legalized stealing.

I lose money when these so called DI's are in town and I'm betting into them. Those are the times, more times than not, that I Lose. I switch gears to bet their skillset which more times than not amounts to short rolls. Why, Bc I treat their rolls like I do when I bet on myself.

One is bettor off playing alone, exploiting the table bias whatever it is, and betting their hand aggressively "IF" and Only "If" they have an advantage shooting the dice.

Just
My .02

See
You
In a month on the next post. Craps Boards are Cancerous.
Get in , post quick, and bail out

Peace

 

That was TRULY one of the Best Post That I've ever Viewed. Every single word stated.... Rings True!! Some of the Best DI's in the Country are afraid to bet their So-Called Skill. Tossing 50 Roll hands & Only Making $250(I can't say Who). Granted, it's always Wise to "Tip Toe" into a Session, but when You're done warming up in the BullPen & Pitching Strikes...... Let the Games Begin. I'm just a Firm believer That You'll never Be Net Profitable "Same Betting" a Hand/s, or starting every hand at the Bare bones Minimum. At some point in Time(After your pitching arm is Thoroughly warmed up), you just have to "Ramp Up" the betting & See What Happens. In Reference To "Biased Dice"........ Regardless of what The Bias is..... They scare the hell out of Me. Rather than trying to figure out, or Exploit the Bias..... I'd rather just Walk Away. Casinos are Plentiful & it shouldn't be too hard to find a Game to MY liking. I'm no authority on the subject. That's Just my opinion. Superrick has always said that playing "Lone Wolf" is the way to go. He's also stated that the quickest way to lose your bankroll is to convene on a Table with a Group of Dice Influencers!

 

If you are confident you can get one inside number before the seven, then how should you bet?

A - $22 inside
b- $44 inside
c- $32 across
d- $320 across

I would go with d, then take it all down on the first win and wait for the seven to show before doing it again.

 

Where is e? You know, MP's $204 across?

 

LoL - in the Land of Fiction

 

Mark V, I agree with your thinking. If you REALLY possess an edge, Have Talent, etc...... D should be the ONLY choice. However, Most DI's are not properly Funded to "Gas Up". There's simply no way in hell that I'd bet Small if I had a TRUE Edge, & the Bankroll to Properly fund that edge. The only problem with placing the Large Bet for one hit & down is That you CANNOT play it for the Duration of a Long session. What Do I consider a long session? More than an Hour. Unfortunately, no matter how good you toss, That PSO, or PPSO is gonna catch you a few times & wipe out all of your one hit & down Profit. However, I do like implementing a Large Bet for 1 or 2 times During a Session. In your particular example I'd do a $320 across for NO MORE than twice during the session & every subsequent Across Bet would be no Higher than $128 across. There's nothing more salivating than playing with "Profit' Money in Case your Toss Goes to Shit!!