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Roulette Using parameters to hit sleepers

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by delectus, Jul 27, 2018.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Delectus,

    You appear to have your head trapped in the box called the gambler's fallacy. You need to escape it and learn to think outside of it's confines.

    Best of luck,

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone
     
  2. delectus

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    A very poor reply. You appear to be struggling with your maths. Never mind
    this project rolls on, enjoy the results.
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2018
  3. Jerome

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    So you're subtracting 56 from the number of spins a number takes to come in, and this gives you the first number of the parameter, but don't you see that this is arbitrary? A number could come in the first spin or it could take 400 spins. That's variance.
     
  4. delectus

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    Jerome, try to get your head round the following: This project is not interested if a number
    comes in the first spin. What it is interested in is finding out the parameter for each
    number. Every number will have it's own parameter. It is important that the maximum
    number of spins at any Table is 28 spins. I have spent a great deal of time working
    this out, so it's a rule of this project.

    For this project I trawled through just over 100 Tables at 28 spins for each Table approx
    3000 spins. When this happens you get the results I have previously shown.
    Whether you believe it or not the numbers will not have the same parameter.
    Certain numbers will have a more favourable parameter than others.

    This project has nothing to do with variance. Rather than have a fixation with variance
    examine the results instead and look at what is happening in reality not in branch of
    mathematics that is not relevant here.
     
  5. delectus

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    L P 5

    01 071/127 031 01 13 027
    02 171/227 013 02 24 026
    03 094/150 075 03 32
    04 114/170 011 04 02
    05 147/203 016 05 06 023
    06 137/193 023 06 27 022
    07 118/174 000 07 17 000 078
    08 123/179 035 08 37 020
    09 178/234 014 09 02
    10 199/255 010 10 33 018
    11 129/185 003 11 34 017
    12 151/207 071 12 05 016
    13 135/191 027 13 30 015
    14 146/202 006 14 09 014
    15 169/225 054 15 02
    16 186/242 009 16 21
    17 077/133 005 17 04 011
    18 098/154 080 18 21 010
    19 102/158 082 19 16 009
    20 044/100 008 20 20 008 056
    21 105/161 010 21 36 007
    22 094/150 060 22 14 006
    23 146/202 036 23 17 005
    24 179/235 026 24 32 004
    25 127/183 059 25 11 003
    26 096/152 081 26 07 000 154
    27 052/108 022 27 29 001
    28 156/212 126 28 07 000
    29 109/165 001
    30 069/125 015
    31 141/197 043
    32 173/229 004
    33 048/104 018
    34 115/171 017
    35 123/179 058
    36 116/172 007
    37 148/204 020
     
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  6. Jerome

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    In that case I have no clue about how you're getting the parameters, and your explanation is poor and very vague. Can you make it clearer? You say you wait for a number to hit but is this only when it hasn't come in until at least 100 spins? I can't fathom the logic at all.
     
  7. delectus

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    I think explaining anything to you is a lost cause. Even if you did
    understand it, in the end you will say you don't believe it for this
    or that obscure mathematical concept, even though the results
    are staring you in the face.

    I will have to follow gizmotron's example and say" I give up"
     

  8. delectus

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    I don't think I will bother with a Profit Index and instead just show the profit
    and loss. The betting part of this project, could be more tricky. I will have to
    see how it pans out.

    Often there will be only one or two numbers, that have reached their
    parameter and therefore bets, subject to the SI criteria, would be placed
    on those numbers.

    As $ are the international trading & financial currency I will quote in $.
    I will assume that $100 chips are used.

    The project is currently on L P 5 and flat betting the profit to date is
    $11,600.
     
  9. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Learn how to win but not with that crap.
     
  10. delectus

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    I can see from your posts that something simple would suit you LQTM
     
  11. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    At least I KOW HOW to win but not chasing rain bows .



    But then again Happy Winnings your way .
     
  12. Jerome

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    Presumably you started this thread because you want some feedback, so it's odd that you''re not evening bothering to answer my questions, especially since you specifically said in an earlier post that if we have any questions then just ask. I'm the only one who has shown any interest, the other posts are just dismissive, and so what if I say I don't believe it? There will be others reading this thread who would benefit from your clarification. As a mathematician I'm curious about the method and the logic behind it, that's all.
     
  13. delectus

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    L P 6

    01 071/127 059 01 23
    02 171/227 010 02 25 026
    03 094:150 103 03 19 025
    04 114/170 012 04 23 024
    05 147/203 044 05 37 023
    06 137/193 051 06 20 022
    07 118/174 028 07 14
    08 123/179 063 08 31 020
    09 178/234 042 09 24 019
    10 199/255 077 10 22
    11 129/185 008 11 29
    12 151/207 099 12 16 016
    13 135/191 055 13 32 015
    14 146/202 000 14 27
    15 169/225 082 15 11
    16 186/242 016 16 04 012
    17 077/133 001 17 22
    18 098:154 108 18 02 010
    19 102/158 025 19 22 009
    20 044/100 022 20 11 008
    21 105/161 006 21 27 007
    22 094/150 009 22 21 006
    23 146/202 024 23 17
    24 179/235 019 24 29 004
    25 127/183 026 25 33 003
    26 096:152 109 26 34 002
    27 053/108 007 27 17 001
    28 156/212 154 14 14 000
    29 109/165 004
    30 069/125 043
    31 141/197 020
    32 173/229 015
    33 048/104 003
    34 115/171 002
    35 123/179 086
    36 116/172 035
    37 148/204 023
     
  14. delectus

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    I will get back to you Mr mathematician
     

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    This appears to be your first post, where perhaps you are interested in how
    this project developed. If you take off your mathematicians hat for the
    present time and ask specific questions about the project, then we can
    make a good deal of progress. Replace your maths hat and we are back
    to square one.

    If you go to post 2. This is the first attempt at creating parameters for
    each number. As you probably know at 111 spins (3 x 37), if a number
    has not appeared it is called a sleeper. When trawling through a number
    of Tables each containing a maximum of 28 spins from my model, I tried
    to find numbers that were as close to 111 spins as possible. Some were
    less than 111 and for example, 2 did not appear for 227 spins. You would
    think at some point 20 would come in at 200+ spins, but so far after
    more than 3000 spins it's parameter is 044/100.

    The second list of parameters at post 35 produced a much more realistic
    list, having trawled through 70 more Tables.

    A further list at post 42 having now trawled through over 100 Tables,
    produced a list of parameters, where it became apparent, which
    numbers had a more favourable parameter 044/100 being an example.

    This mirrors my model in the sense that for some unknown reason
    certain numbers have favourable parameters. In theory no number
    should be any different than any other number. Certainly continuing
    for thousands of spins and no signs of a dramatic change.

    At this stage I will stop and if you have any questions I will try to
    answer them.
     
  16. Rheti

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    Make it concrete:

    Here's a set of Spins from the first of June from Wiesbaden.
    When do i bet ? and How much ?

    1
    20
    0
    28
    28
    26
    14
    15
    7
    23
    15
    36
    13
    27
    32
    3
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    15
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    8
    35
    9
    4
    25
    9
    6
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    1
    24
    35
    35
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    0
    35
    22
    15
    8
    13
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    33
    29
    5
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    26
    18
    22
    11
    2
    14
    33
    36
    13
    36
    21
    30
    12
    35
    11
    30
    11
    5
    5
    33
    26
    28
    26
    14
    29
    9
    22
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    31
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    3
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    10
    9
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    35
    28
    6
    36
    31
    2
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    36
    21
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    11
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    11
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    1
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  17. delectus

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    Rheti, the number of spins you have produced has nothing to do
    with this project. I suggest you start reading from Post 1 and
    find out what it's about.
     
  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Gambler's fallacy nonsense.
     
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  19. Rheti

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    Well, the Title is : Using Parameters to hit Sleepers... So what's your Point ?
     
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    I'm trying to understand how you're getting these parameters so that I can do it myself, but from the information you've given I don't see how to do it. For a start, where are these tables containing a maximum of 28 spins? and how can you find numbers which haven't hit for over 100 spins if they only have 28 spins?

    You haven't defined what a parameter actually is. Each is made up of 2 numbers eg 044/100. But what does each of the numbers represent and why is the difference between them always 56? What's so special about 56?
     

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