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Baccarat 5 column statistics

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by violater777, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    there is a player named Whacko Ivan at Commerce Casino and playing other southern California casino also, he has a patch over one eye as it was damaged when he rushed in a burning building to save someone the story goes. He wins most times but goes on bad losing streaks that he becomes really upset and knocks over bowls of PHO, he also slurps loud, real loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when he eats his PHO at the table.
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

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    search for Crazy Ivan baccarat systems . Interesting result.





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  3. Joey Torres

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    Hello!

    Thanks for your hard work in analyzing this method.

    In your own words, how do you actually play this method? Are you getting your triggers only if the column starts with B. If starts with P, you just finish the 5 results and start a another 5 column. Also, how do you define lapper? Not really clear about this.
     
  4. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Start with these. 1= P and 2 = B. If you find a "3" it means tie but I didn't record many of those.
     

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  5. fathead

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    Thank you! Keep them coming. "T" is tie, I guess. I will need to figure out how to change the format so my code can read this but I will come up with something. My test files are set up as follows:

    Shoe, Hand, Decision

    1, 1, B
    1, 2, B
    1, 3, P

    Thanks again.
     
  6. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I guess you'll have to re-arrange. Copy > Text to Columns > Copy > Paste Special Transpose should give you each shoe per column > Replace 1 to P; 2 to B.

    or write a Macro to convert to your desired format. I have program that converts to my play form.
     
  7. Berichman

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    I want talk to you Lani.
     

  8. chewbaccarat

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    The original poster (Violator777) didn't completely describe how he played his method. And he never defined a lapper. But I think it is when in the 3rd and 4th rows, you get overlapping banker results and then you bet for another bank lapper in the next column. Something like this:
    B B B
    B P P
    B B x
    P B
    B B

    x = the first possible lapper in row 3 which is supposed to continue to the next column at that row etc. This can be tracked for row 4 too.

    So now arrange each hand as part of a 5 column format. I chose to ignore V777's advantage bets involving player because frankly they aren't all that advantageous. So only betting banker bets that V777 said had a significant advantage. From there, I eliminated any of his bets which didn't show an advantage over the Zumma shoes. So now you can bet on columns beginning with a banker but not a player. And only some of V777's bets. See previous posts. You can also bet for any banker lapper which happens in row 3 or row 4 right across the shoe. I reran the Zumma 600 shoes (42,000 hands) on this method and found it had an advantage. See previous posts. Yes, it was a lot of hard work but I now have a computer program and a slimmed down version of V777's triggers which exactly simulates how to do all this which is worth the effort. Simultaneously, I also ran two other methods over the 600 shoes which produced what we expect. Random noise 50:50 results. No advantage. So to those who say we have to run a million shoes...I don't think it is necessary. Scientists routinely publish papers with n = 10 (or less) and that is considered statistically acceptable in journals. Here the n = 42,000 for 600 shoes. Surely that is enough trials to get the flavour of whether a method will work or not. It certainly knocked the FTL and Base approach off the podium.
     
  9. chewbaccarat

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    Jimske:

    Thanks for the file but my computer won't transpose those results into columns unless there is a space in between the 1's and 2's. I did notice some T's in there which Crazy Ivan can't handle in terms of coding. Any chance you have the time to eliminate the T results and transpose into columns and reload the file? Bottom line? If you want me to spend 3-4 days inputting more results then the data has to be in a format which doesn't cost me more time. That's a fair request.
     
  10. Jimske

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    Ahh. Too bad. Maybe someone who works with Excel can help. I did forget to say first thing to do after removing T's is to copy and "delimit" the numbers to put a comma in between. Then it can be transposed to put each number in its own cell then transposed to put them all into vertical columns. After that . . .? You're on your own.

    I'm not really following the bet placements. Just trying to help out.

    Good luck.
     
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  11. fathead

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    Here is Jimske's data in a different format if that helps. See attached.
     

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  12. chewbaccarat

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    Tete de la gras:
    Yes that does help. I have transferred it to an Excel file, removed all the commas etc. and put the shoe numbers and results in 2 separate columns. Ready to copy to Crazy Ivan and see if the trends continue.

    Thanks.
     
  13. chewbaccarat

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    Jimske:
    Another member (Tete de le gras) transposed your file which I downloaded and cleaned it up.
    Thanks
     
  14. fathead

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    Not sure who "Tete de la gras" is but you are most welcome.
     

  15. chewbaccarat

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    Qui est tete de le gras? C'est vous. I felt uncomfortable using your avatar name (insulting...) so I translated it into French. Sounds nicer somehow. So Fathead = tete de le gras. Think Mardi Gras...Fat Tuesday.

    Anyway, I've finished inputting 100 shoes of your transposed Jimske file. See attachment. Crazy Ivan comes through again with a 1.3% advantage over 7000 hands of Baccarat. Don't know if you're keeping score, but in the last episode, our hero was confronting 70,000 Zumma hands and triumphed with a 1.8% advantage. For this particular 100 shoe segment, it translates into 921W and 873L. I don't know if this trend will continue to hold but so far so good. I advise cautious optimism but Crazy Ivan may even be a profitable approach flat betting.
     

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  16. chewbaccarat

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    Wow. Thanks for the boost.
     
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  17. fathead

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    Very interesting. Keep up the good work.
     
  18. Jimske

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    Thanks for your efforts. The Zumma shoes are pretty old. Maybe pre 1990? Anybody know? I can send another 800 from Mohegan Sun and still have some more from other parts of the country.

    Is anybody going to lay out the bet rules?
     
  19. chewbaccarat

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    Yes, a good money management is in order. A definite factor to consider is when losses occur; they occur in clusters (sometimes of 6,7 or 8) so waiting during these is of benefit. Encounter 2 losses in a row and wait until a W or even WW? Don't know. I'll let better minds come up with that. But implementing a strategy like that would put the win rate wayyyyyyy up.

    I have the next 100 shoe results. Crazy Ivan is ahead 1842W to 1776L. So around 51%. I'm not going to post all the results until the Jimske shoes are all inputted. Then one big post of the results. The most recent 100 shoes were anomalous to the previous 700 shoes. The average number of bets you make in a 70 hand shoe is normally around 17-18. The last 100 bets seemed to have quite a few shoes where only 9-10 bets were made. Unexpected. And during those 9-10 bets, Ivan's prowess was challenged so to speak. Still, Crazy I is showing advantage play over 200 shoes (51%). I will get started on the next 100 shoes after work.
     
  20. fathead

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    chewbaccarat, Here are 446 more shoes for you that I have gathered over the years. See attached.
     

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