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Roulette Repost of 1961 video for those who asked for it

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Understanding random, how it can be predicted and patterns it produces
    along with more information hopefully useful.

     
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    So I think I have something figured out. Sticking to one sized group like my hit rate test for the hottest and coldest 7 numbers is a mistake. Each cycle has it's own very best amount of numbers for coldest or hottest to pick from.
     
  3. Bago

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    The video contradicts Turbo's claims. Random is predictable for a large serie of events (the law of large numbers) but random is unpredictable for a short serie of events (for example 98 spins) because of the important fluctuations from the average, that can occur. And even if we play for a large amount of spins and expect Black to hit 50% of the time, despite we have predicted correctly the number of times Black will hit, we are losing because of the unfair payout called The House Edge.
     
  4. Benas

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    And how that can help? You can know that some numbers will be higher, than average, some lower. How that can help, if not know which are these numbers?
    To win you need know concrete numbers, or distance, or zones and that do AP...
     
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    Think about this bit of your post. Its not that they 'can' occur but that they 'always' occur. You know it will happen.
    Random is predictable in the short term in this sense. Think about that.
    He's not contradicting himself.
     
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  6. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Exactly right.

    Sir No One loves to post how I say "If it weren't random, I couldn't win".
    Because random doesn't produce equal results.
    Therefore repeaters, and other knowledge we can gain on future spins.

    Imagine the game where every number hit once and then the cycle repeated.
    The house edge would be a solid -2.7 and every player on the table would lose.
    Random creates predictable patterns - they can be viewed from the past spins
    and predicted for the future spins.
    Nonsense they say !!!!!!
    Then why won't anyone take this bet ?
    If there are 12 numbers that don't appear in any 38 spins, I win.
    It will be 12 almost always lol.
    Like the bell curve in their charts in the video.
    higher totals than 12 would decrease to the right of the peak
    and lower numbers would decrease to the left of the peak.

    Then they'll complain that that doesn't tell you WHICH numbers
    will appear over others.
    I say "a number can't appear 4 times unless it's appeared 3 times."
    More posts mocking me for saying that... however it's the truth.
    Some people don't mind showing how ignorant they are to "reality" in
    front of everyone.
    But then again, I'm not them. I win each and every time and will continue
    to do so. The "last laugh" is always mine.
     
  7. TurboGenius

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    Why don't you know ?
    The session plays out and gives you more than enough information for you to benefit from.
    If #20 for example didn't show for 230 spins - and you NEVER bet on it... you lost
    nothing. There were numbers that "made up for" this lack of appearance of #20 correct ?
    You don't know which ones to play ? The spins are telling you this info too.
    Maybe instead of "roulette is a 1 spin game where the payout is less than the chances of
    winning" belief - you look at a combination of these spins and how they fall into place.
    Then you might see which have the "potential" to be higher (as you say) and which
    have no choice but to be "lower" (as you say).
    Not betting on numbers that never show up while your playing costs you nothing,
    it takes 0 from your profit/bankroll.
    If it's not basic enough then there's nothing else I could say to help you along.
     
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  8. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Benas - what if I made a bet with you.
    I'll pay you $1,000.00 if you can pick which number/numbers is going to appear
    4 times....

    AND I'll even let you choose when to bet.

    Well, isn't it common sense that once a number shows 3 times it's now
    a potential winner for you ?

    Would you put your bet on a number that hasn't shown up yet once ??? no.
    Would you only be able to win when a number that appeared 3 times shows
    and turns into a 4th ? Of course.
    How many numbers will there be that are at 3 before one of them goes to 4 ???
    Is it all of the numbers on the table ? 20 of them ? 10 of them ? less ?
    You have an incredible edge now because you don't have to guess from 37
    numbers to be right -
    Sound familiar ? Like the other post to Sir No One that wasn't understood by him ?
    You're going to win our bet, I'm sure of it.
    Your odds of winning will be around 1 in 5 instead of 1 in 37.
    You'll say "well, we don't know when that number with 3 will go to 4 !!!!!!!!!!"
    Nope. We don't.
    We don't need to know.... work it out.
     
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    If you win - I doubt that reason will be these twelve numbers who not hit. Simply create how you win show sequence in which to win help, knowing that some unknown 12 number will not hit ...
    In that video is not random events - central pockets have many more chances to be hit! That is an example how wins AP.
    Very nice ,but who saw you in action ?
     
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    And what from that? Nowt bet not lost not win, that is clearly, what you want to say?
    I accept and will choose bet when the number will appear 4 times :) Where is "your", oh no - my million?
    Ok, let's do such thing - I will send you video with cut edges of spins.You do bets, then I send the whole video and we look how much times you win ok? Very easy and will be clear immediately.
     
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    Turbo, I think your idea of waiting for cold numbers to appear makes sense because the expectation is ALWAYS WITH A 100% CERTAINTY going back to it's expected rate I think the challenge comes in the form of HOW do we take advantage of this to get a mathematical edge because it can take hours, days, or even weeks before it gets all the way there, and in that time those small percentages add up especially when you throw 0/00 in the mix. Now I've read about how betting multiple #s that are the coldest some can stay cold and one or a couple of numbers can start to take off and with a positive progression this can make up for the #s not doing so well. In my own testing this will work a vast majority of the time to make small consistent wins but every so often there won't be enough hits and leaves a huge wipe out eventually and flat betting this method doesn't seem to do any better maybe I'm missing something or took your advice completely wrong not sure. Plus I remember you saying when you play you start betting right away without waiting for any session history where as the cold number way of playing would require a minimum of around 50 spins to get the coldest 4-6 numbers then additional for them to appear once
     
  12. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Sorry Turbo, but there's just two toooo many numbers on the wheel. Your little idea want even make a dent in the house edge.
     
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    I don't need to know when my birthday number will hit to be in profit when I sit at the table and I flat bet. Work it out.
     
  14. TurboGenius

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    Hmm.
    The dealers. The pitboss (when he was looking). My protege I'm working with/training how to play....
    all of the casino cameras (I assume... I don't have access to that room).
    Results noted by.... the cashier at the casino, the nice lady at the bank where I made my deposit.
    My accountant (will have the info eventually as needed).
    I'm not sure who else.. people that were there at the table ? People watching as they passed by ?

    So right.. a tiny dent which equals +57.14% edge in my favor based on units placed.
    Losing to the house edge would have made this value -2.7%.
    That's one hell of a dent, isn't it ?

    Oh I just read now you're saying that I just run charts until I see a good one and then post it ???

    lol. That's what you're down to ? Is that a "last resort" or do you have even worse nonsense
    to pull out against me ?
     

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    Yes, I'm saying that you're cherry picking your results. LOL!

    There's no reason for your scheme to work.
     
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    :) OK , l think I all understand ...
     
  17. TurboGenius

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    Damn, now all that's left for me to prove myself is to play in Benas' casino bedroom.
    For crying out loud - where do I get the plane ticket to ?... who has time for this ? lol
    Do I need to learn another language first ? I better get going on this.
     
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    I simulated you system over 20k spins and it crashed hard flat betting. Why do you suppose that is?

    But when. You bet 38 spins it when's. It's called cherry picking.

    Sorry Turbo, but the math and those of that grasp basic probability say your full of shit.
     
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    If you cant in another way to explain the reason, why you can win and nobody saw you winning only casino cameras, then such is the only way.
    If you will say that was in the Moon - why I must to believe?
     
  20. TurboGenius

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    You don't have to ! That's the beauty of it all.
    I explain it - you don't believe it, case closed.
    Now if you want to keep saying I'm wrong, without understanding what I'm saying -
    that makes no sense. I don't understand rocket science but I wouldn't go on a rocket
    science forum and constantly post to a rocket scientist how he's wrong.. when I
    clearly don't understand what he's saying. But it's your time to spend.
    I don't believe a lot of things either, but I'm always open to changing my mind
    if the proper evidence is presented. Your evidence needed from me is to play
    in your "casino" in your room - and I'm not doing that just to get you to "believe"
     

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