Craps The Captain of craps is real

Let's not forget that your figures don't include Dice sells, Table sells, Membership into the GTC forum, etc. What a Racket, Huh? From what I've read, The GTC school NEVER Promised any of the students that They'd be Successful DI's(The Disclaimer) from taking the Class. Of course during that era, there were no Slo-Mo cameras being used to authenticate the "On Axis" style of tossing. It was a very easy sell to the Students Because no one challenged "On Axis" shooting. Now, with all of the Slo-Mo Videos that are Currently on the Internet, Why do the "Heavy" Followers still believe in "On Axis" Shooting? Seems that the More "On Axis" shooting is Debunked....... The Quicker "Heavy's" Seminar's sell out. LOL. Simply amazing, the Things that people will believe "SIGHT UNSEEN". Take the Mad Professor, for Example. NEVER been seen in a Casino, Yet people still Tout that MP helped Him/Her with their Toss/s. The shit is almost comical if You ask Me!!!!

 

I've also heard that Howard's Toss was Much better than Dom's & that's when the animosity grew! Personally, from viewing the GTC tape, DOM had the WORST looking Toss. Hard to believe that he was Dubbed "The Man with the Golden Arm". However, only Frank knows of Dom's REAL Shooting prowess(Or Lack thereof). I'm also sure that Howard knows the real story Behind Dom's shooting, being that he was a better Tosser than Dom. After reviewing the GTC tape, I would rate the LOOKS of the tosses(Too bad you could NOT witness Dice Outcomes) as (1) Stickman, (2) Frank, (3) Burton, & The Golden Arm (Dom) "DEAD LAST" (4). Of course, LOOKS mean absolutely NOTHING unless you're getting good Results, but If there's a DI with a better LOOKING toss than Jerry Stickman....... Please Fuc**ing Produce Him/Her!!!!

 

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Hey, is that The Captain?

 

its always something to think about, where people claim that if you use their methods you can make a living from gambling just like them.
Look at the patrick site. No one there over the 20 years of the website has graced the board with a story of how they make a living using patricks methods. In my mind, you can make a living using those methods if you publish a dozen books, dvds, get a TV show, make info-mercials, give seminars, and live with mommy for most of your adult life.

Why arent these folks quietly using their own methods, sipping a pina colada on the beach at Aruba??? Because they are giving a gift to society allowing us to have this info for a price.

 

Agreed!!! One thing that I have learned over my six years of DI'ng. You CANNOT make a living(Enough money to live Comfortably) playing Craps No matter how good you shoot. Sure, you can Supplement your income by making a few coins If you have a good Toss & Bet Correctly, but to think that your sole source of income will come from influencing the Dice is just a "Pipe Dream". As Frank Scoblete once wrote: The Dice are Like Children...... They Have a Tendency to Misbehave at the most inappropriate Times. How Profound that statement really is.

 

Frank taught High School for three decades. On his Facebook he has a vast army of former students still worshipping him as their greatest-ever teacher and profound influence on their young lives then. Nobody gets a lasting reputation like that if he is a liar and a charlatan. If Frank says The Captain was real and existed, then I believe him. The Captain went down with the ship and died at a ripe old age. If the Captain's identity had to be hidden, I'm sure Frank had good reasons for that.

However, with the passing of time that secret may now be revealed. After all, even the American government reveals secrets... eventually. Because Frank and the Cap had many years together, I'm pretty sure Frank still has some old photos, you know, of the type where you are at a show or a restaurant where a photographer shows up and snaps an impromptu pic and then shows it to you and you cannot resist buying it for history.

So if we ask nice and say please, perhaps Frank might prise an old pic out of his album and show us an image of The Captain... I hope

 

Harley?

 

Hi Tony, I've answered this many times. I made a promise and I am going to keep it. In my new book I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps! I do mention that I showed a picture of the Captain and the Crew at one of my tournaments. I did black out the Captain's eyes but I had the Crew, no eyes blacked out in the photo.

 

Harley?

 

Unless you are some "F"ing pedophile, or traitor, old Frank knows there is no such thing as bad press. SR is correct at least Frank is real person, the Captain, maybe, maybe not, but the Captain turned out to be a great marketing tool. I asked Frank if he knew when the Captain died, not the exact date, just the year, and if Frank know when did the Captain play his last game. Frank never answered. When working UC ops, we had cover stories we had to stick to, you couldn't change the story line for obvious reasons. A author of non-fiction books when they first start out never in the wildest days would imagine that their work would be dissected by their readers looking for contradictions in their story line to cast doubt. It never the big lie that trips people up, it is always the small lie. Bill Clinton, "I never had sex with that woman." Who would have thought she kept the dress, certainly no Bubba.

 

Frank you could post all the pictures you want, it still wouldn't help your case. The great fiction writer the Madprofessor post photos all of the time, that he hasn't taking himself. You will not find one photo of any that he posted that have not been ripped off Internet.

They now tell me that he has gone to posting that his photos are stock photos, only because I keep showing everybody that he ripped off the photos.

What we have here is a case where you have never proved anything about your character the Captain!

There is no evidence that anybody ever saw him have the roll that you said he had. He couldn't have got everybody on that table to swear that they would never tell who he was.

So therefore your little story just doesn't hold water! Now once you put something out there, unfortunately you can't take it back. When you are selling something as controversy as dice control it's very easy to see where someone would come up with a great story to sell their product.

The great fiction writer, the Madprofessor defended is SRR of 28 for years, until we kept questioning that claim to fame! Then he back peddled and said that he may have gotten his SRR wrong when he calculated it. He was a guy that used the SRR in just about everything he wrote about and years later after defending his SRR for all of those years he made a mistake! Gee how many other mistakes did he make?

I still haven't read your book, but the guys that have are telling me one thing and that is,..Your book sound like someone that wants to get back at just about everyone he had dealings with. It just doesn't add anything to the craps playing community and was written very vaguely, remember you once said that if I sent you my address that you would send me a copy of your book so I could review it?

Well I sent you my address and I'm still waiting to review that book, maybe you just wanted to see if I was a real guy, but you could have asked your X business partner, Howard about that as I have played craps with him and many others that you have dealt with over the years!

So right now all of have is rumors spread by word of mouth, from others that have read it! Again if you play craps all of the time, you know that there is nobody that is winning millions off the tables unless the are buying in for millions. There are way to many references in all of your books that say that there are player that have taking a class and went on to win millions in a very vague way!

As always we have Frank against the world of craps players when it comes to the Captain. If I was a writer I would never write something like your story that I couldn't back up, why would I want others questioning what I wrote, especially if I was a writer selling classes and books. At some time that story would come back and haunt you. When dice control first came out we really didn't have anybody really pushing back at what had been written.

We didn't have the slow-motion videos, there wasn't guys like me that question all of the BS,.. because most so-called DI's just don't play enough craps to question anybody! By reading some of the stuff that is in your new book the guys are telling me that they now know where the money really was,.. it wasn't on the tables it was from teaching, after all didn't you write that the Dom ripped you off for $50,000?

Talk about bad business practices, I just wonder how that could have happened? Frank in a way it's almost funny that you would let that happen, sorry to tell you that. But it doesn't look to good on your part!

Frank you're on the losing end of your story, the only guys that still believe it are the ones that want to live in a fantasy world, thinking they are going to be winning those millions that you write about!

 

I disagree with this. The idea that someone can consistently win small amounts to "supplement income" but cant consistently win enough to support themselves and or their family is faulty.
My view is, that if you can be a 5 dollar bettor and consistently eek out a 50- 100 profit on average to supplement an income, then why not be a 25 dollar bettor and for the exact same effort and time you can make 250-500 profit. And as your bankroll grows, you can be a 100 dollar bettor. The dice react the same no matter what you bet.

Its human nature, that if you consistently win small amounts, it means your bankroll grows. And as your bankroll grows, you bet more per hand/spin/roll, and in return your bankroll grows even more.

Example- Billy Walters, a successful sports bettor with private jets and owned golf courses///he makes 6 figure bets consistently. But he didnt always from day 1 bet 6 figures.. His bankroll grew with his success. As he won more, he bet more. And as he bet more, he won more....and it snowballs with consistent wins.

So people playing craps that claim that they consistently win small amounts to supplement their income....it just doesnt add up. Human nature makes you increase bets and increase winnings as you consistently win more and more.
I dont think these folks want to hold back and go easy on the poor casinos.

 

For Pressit: I have a whole section in my book about the exact day he died. I will repeat again that plenty of people saw the Captain I name many in my book I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps! and that one, Satch, a GTC instructor, was the youngest member of the Captain’s Crew and hundreds of people got to speak to him over the years.

I have no idea who made up the story that no one ever met the Captain and that no one knew who he was.

For Superrick: Do you know the real names of the people with whom you have played at the tables? I am sure that plenty of the people, those players, dealers and spectators, at that table talked about the roll quite a lot. A few did find out it was the Captain. The one student from GTC who was there probably spread the word.

Also Vegas Ray, a famed card counter and student at GTC, played at the same table with the Captain.

In my book I have exact quotes from people whose real names I used. So the story (once again) that you are relating is false. I’ve answered this question on a couple of web sites quite a few times but you (and some others) keep making the same erroneous statements over and over.

My book is not at all sour grapes. I praise many people in it. I even give Dom his credit as a dice controller. Indeed, he stole almost 51 thousand dollars from me but his skill with dice was excellent. Yes, I do write about dishonest people, thieves, crazy people and the like, but I wrote what I experienced. And you are 100 percent correct that I trusted someone and was not cautious. I do say in the book that I am responsible for my own stupidity in this matter. I don't hide from that. The "guys" who are supposedly telling you about the book did not seem to have read it carefully.

(When did you send me your address? I usually get the books out fast. Are you sure you actually sent me your address? Just resend and let me know who you are so I can autograph it for you.)

Finally, back to the actual matter at hand: Harley, when you said you went "womanizing" with Howard, even after meeting his wife, were you stating that you and he went looking for (and maybe finding) women for him to cheat with?

 

If you play any casino game with a negative expectation, you will not grow your bankroll or supplement your income. You will only slowly lose till your bankroll is gone. This is a fact.

The purpose of advantage play is to play where play and skill gives you a positive expectation. Many player play video poker where they can get a 99.5% return rate (or 0.5% house edge) and if there is a good promotion going in they can generate enough points and cash them in to easily recover any losses and have overage that grows the bankroll. This is a fact too.

Table games are far more of a challenge for players to turn to an advantage opportunity. Given the low house edge for blackjack and craps, and that casinos don't apply point multipliers promotions to table games like they do with the machines, and often points for table play is far less than the same amount waged though the machines. This is another fact.

Casinos have altered many table games to increase the house edge (such as 6:5 blackjack) and introduced carnival games with a high house edge. This is a fact.

The whole concept of Dice Influence and on-axis tossing is to achieve an SRR of 6.5 that would give you a 4% edge over the house that theoretically would then allow you to grow your bankroll and earn a modest income. Of course this is only going to work with the lowest house edge bets such as pass/don't pass - come and don't come - place 6 & 8. This is a theory with a lot of fiction generated by it, not an actual fact.

The American Six-side die is inherently unbalanced. This is a fact.
Different construction methods of the six-sided dice can increase or decrease the unbalanced nature of the dice. This is a fact.

The degree of the unbalanced creating a biased effect on the dice is highly debated. Testing of casino dice have shown that casinos use e various degrees of unbalance, and tracking thousands of rolls of unbalanced dice have shown an SRR of 5.1 to 5.9, that will increase the house edge from 4% up to 36%. The true house edge with the craps table brings it inline with the carnival games and of course to the casinos delight.

Further proof of the Casino increased income can be seen from the Nevada Gaming Commission reports on income by table game. http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=9937

The argument is that if craps dice are all the same, then the win rate should be 14%, the same for every region, but the reports shows vastly higher win rates in some regions and more towards normal in others. The claim is then, that financially struggling casinos are using dice that have more of an unbalance in them to achieve a higher house edge.

Conclusion:
Attaining the players advantage is not easy. Often you have to be very aware of the casino conditions and changes that can either enhance your edge or totally take it away. Furthermore, you have to be adaptable and flexible and play the games where you honestly have the advantage and void those you don't. If playing craps with a match play bet, then you have the advantage. Playing craps with no match play bet or no promotion or bonus bet to enhance your wins, then you do not have the advantage and will only lose in the long run.

Lastly, playing for casino players club points that can bring you free rooms and meals where the value is greater than expected loss of the money used to make wagers, is also advantage play. However one hopes to get the points and make a profit too.

 

Frank's first book, "Beat the Crap Out of the Casinos" was written in 1989, recounting the stories of the Captain And his crew. This book was followed up with Frank's 1993 book, "The Captain's Crap Revolution ". So the stories of the Captain, real or not, has been around 26 years, and we are still talking about it. Time moves very slowly. Now the greatest dice controller of all time during the 70's and 80's was know as The Arm. But what happened to her in the 90's, why didn't she still hold the title of the greatest dice controller of all time, who took her place?

 

Use Logic to answer your questions.

Real people who are exceptional at what they are doing will inevitably end up like Don Johnson (15 million dollar blackjack winner), Phil Ivy (top poker player), Bob Dancer (top video poker player), Patricia Demauroo (craps roll record holder). All of these people are well published by many authors, interviewed multiple times, photos taken and published in many different magazines and articles.

Fictional People are often localized to one author and their articles and publications (such as Paul Atreides is a fictional character only found in Frank Herberts books, no where else)

Logic there for says that The Captain and The Arm are fictional characters to only appear in his publications.

 

One of the things that guys just don't get is if your any good at what you are doing, the casinos will ban you.

The locals know that, it had been shown many times to work that way, when you are wining the casinos cut the offers you are getting. When you are losing they go up, the casinos only want losers in their casinos.

I hear your kind of argument all of the time. If your a so-called DI you should be taking millions off the casinos every year, it just doesn't work that way. I've been playing in the same casinos for years,... yes I've been ban from a few of them. I learned my lesson about how to play so I can keep playing the game. Trying to kill a casino only gets you one thing if your a local and that is the tap on the shoulder, telling you that they don't want your play.

We move our play around so that doesn't happen and yes play at a lower level, you got to remember we can play craps every day, how about you? I can walk to different casinos from where I live. I pick when and where we want to play, you will not find me in a casino on a weekend playing craps, unless I just happen to walk by a table when we are there for something elsee and they have no one on it. As soon as the table gets other players on it I leave. Smaller wins add up and guess what I can still play.

If they see someone from out of town they may never see them again, but with the locals they are going to see you next week or the week after. You are like a marked man, they pick-up on anybody that is beating them.

While the concept of killing the casinos sounds great it just doesn't work for a local player. I love it when I go to a different gambling destination. I can play just like anybody else that they will never see again, after all I'm just getting lucky and they have nothing to compare my luck on!

There are time where the guys will tell me that they had a good win at X casino and they left and went to Y casino here in Vegas and when they started shooting they were getting hassled from the very start of them shooting. Did the casino get a phone call from across the street?

The casinos do share information about players, especially when the same casinos are all owned by the same corporation.

I'm in contact with a lot of the local players and we do discuss how we are betting and what casinos are giving their player a hard time just for setting the dice.

You will probably won't run into some of these local DI's because they will not play on full tables and stay out of casinos that you might play in. There are some casinos that the locals avoid, for very good reason!
The guys that say you should be winning million are the ones that if I had to guess love to read fiction, because that is where they are getting that stupid statement from!

Let see is there any casinos you will not play in, here in Las Vegas and please tell everybody why?

 

My responses have been made.

 

Harley, when you said you went "womanizing" with Howard, even after meeting his wife, were you stating that you and he went looking for (and maybe finding) women for him to cheat with? Is Howard coming forward to agree with you?