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Craps Grindin The Don'ts!

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by soxfan, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Before I started makin my daily bread at the baccarats I made my nut grindin the don'ts at the dices table. Grindin the don'ts is basically just betting anti-streaks against one side only. And the Mad Professor style is a very solid style of play, hey hey!

    Dodging Bullets as a Darksider...Part 1
    http://web.archive.org/web/201101311208 ... sider.html


    Dodging Bullets as a Darksider - Part 2
    http://web.archive.org/web/201101311119 ... art_2.html


    FAQ’s About The Choppy-Table/Short-Leash - Part 1
    http://web.archive.org/web/201101311157 ... leash.html


    FAQ’s About The Choppy-Table/Short-Leash Method - Part 2
    http://web.archive.org/web/201101311206 ... ethod.html


    FAQ’s About The Choppy-Table/Short-Leash Method - Part 3
    http://web.archive.org/web/201101311110 ... ethod.html
     
  2. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    Meaning don't pass and don't come as the HE is slightly better?
     
  3. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    I never knew these percentages

    interesting stuff

    seems cool for the bubble craps...no pressure

    after a point is made and that point is one then start on the don't pass

    makes sense
     
  4. Buzz B Berkeley

    Buzz B Berkeley New Member Founding Member

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    Ghost... You are right, the House Edge is slightly better as a wrong bettor... BUT, THAT is not a good reason to be a wrong bettor... there so many greater advantages than that... again: "Craps Best Strategy" or "Winning Craps Money" will give you all the ammo!!!!
    To Your Good Fortune,
    Buzz
     
  5. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Yah, strictly betting the don'ts pass. One shooter out of 200 is gonna clip ya for a progression busts. So, makes about 13$ profits per shooter with the 5$ base bet, hey hey.
     
  6. RouletteGhost

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    It’s interesting.

    .5% chance the shooter makes and hits 6 points

    In other words, rare.

    I’ll be doing some practice and some reading

    I got the bubble 20 minutes away
     
  7. RouletteGhost

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    Sox fan I read all the links

    Not that I’d do it myself, but I wonder what his outcome would have been had he used a “long leash”
     

  8. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    For me the grand marty needs to be kept short, say 4-5 steps. But then Pittsburgh Johnnie used the nine step, hey hey.
     
  9. RouletteGhost

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    A 9 step martingale on pass or don’t pass?

    Balls of steel

    I need to see some actual table play pass/don’t pass decisions to see
     
  10. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    The best part

    The chance of a random-roller making multiple Point-winners in a row is as follows:

    There is a 40% chance that a player will make his 1st PL-Point.
    There is a 16% chance that a player will make a 2nd PL-Point in a row.
    There is a 7% chance that a player will make his 3rd Point in a row.
    There is a 3% chance that a random-roller will make a 4th winning PL-Point in a row.
    There is a 1.2% chance that a player will be able to make his 5th PL-Point in a row.
    There is a 0.5% chance that a player will eventually make six PL-Points in a row.
     
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  11. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Yup, the grinding don'ts is solid and that's why if you qualify table you can make 40$ per the hour with the 5 dollars base bet, hey hey.
     
  12. soxfan

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    You should pick up a copy of the zumma dice tester book, hey hey.
     
  13. Salfer

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    And where do these STATA come from ???
     
  14. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    As I recall, those statistic from the long term simulation usin the wincraps software, hey hey.
     

  15. DeMango

    DeMango Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Just multiply.4 x .4 x .4 etc
     
  16. Baccaritic

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    Every bit of this is WRONG. ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
    If it came from a person knowledgeable about the game of Craps, then they are a fraud, liar and a cheat.

    I've been through it 3 times just to make sure I was reading it correctly. Because the information contained therein is 100% WRONG.

    Skipping the comprehensive analysis lets just consider losing a $285 (five) step Grand Marty once, after making $13 on average off of 200 shooters. That would be $ 2600 in wins for every $285 in losses. That looks like oh, about a 900% Player advantage.

    According to the Mad Professor, he wins closer to 250 shooters, and this is only 15% of his income!

    HAH!
    mad indeed

    all of that " qualify a table, must be a random roller, choppy conditions etc " is the mantra of a snake oil salesman. When it goes wrong, it'll be " well, you didn't qualify the table "

    LIES every bit of it.
     
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    Are you saying all the post are incorrect? wwwwwwwwhat about Roulette Ghost
    Are you saying all the post are lies? What about Roulette Ghost post about 1PL 40% 2PL 16% etc.?
     
  18. Tinhorn Gambler

    Tinhorn Gambler Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    This is about what you could call lies, exaggeration, stretching the truth as the MP (Mad Professor) writings took certain liberties.

    I often thought his works were designed to motivate rather than mislead. From what I understood his works were never about profit. His private mystique was always in question, as well as his ability.

    I know of only one player that admitted he met and played with the gambler, writer, MP.

    So whether he falls in ... Saint or Sinner it depends on … are you a follower or a skeptic.

    My personal communications between MP and me … was cordial but strained, so I’m not here to defend or approve of his works.

    It is what it is.

    THG
     
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  19. Baccaritic

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    I may be slightly misunderstanding your meaning. Pardon me if this comes across too strong.

    Follower or Skeptic.... It's not about skepticism. The diamonds on the back wall remove any benefit of the doubt over dice control, target shooting, or rhythm rolling. Without the diamonds, I'm willing not to engage in the argument. But with the diamonds? not a chance, talking about it is like talking to a flat earther.
    The very existence of the continued mantra of 'qualifying a table' is the indisputable, unmistakable, back door excuse EVERY snake oil salesman has pitched since snakes had oil. No different than Faith healers.... "oh you can't walk again because you didn't believe enough" <---- premeditated deception. LIES every bit of it. Carefully crafted to deceive, to prey upon the naive. For what? Classes, that cost money. Of course! as always. Let's not forget some testimonials from some winners....

    Liberties? Now that is exaggeration inverted. You don't get to take liberties with cold hard facts. Doing so are the actions of a Con or a Fool.

    THERE IS NO BET PLACEMENT THAT OFFERS EVEN MONEY AGAINST A SHOOTER MAKING A POINT

    Craps is a game of many actions. It is a simple game, but the existence of so many bets can make building a scam all that much easier. Clearly, anybody who knows anything about the game of Craps knows you cannot possess a positive expectation to win even money betting against a shooter making his point. There is no placement on the felt to make such a bet.

    Introducing not just a Marty, but a Grand Marty, against shooters, on the Don't Pass line, to overcome natural losers with come out 7's and 11's? That is the pinnacle of irresponsibility. HE on the Don't Pass line is 1.4. Grand Marty DOES NOT CHANGE THAT only and IDIOT or a LIAR would suggest such a thing.

    and I'm calling him a Liar, a Fraud, and a Cheat.

    Claiming to win 13 dollars against every shooter 250 times before losing a 5 step martingale isn't MOTIVATIONAL it is MISLEADING.

    The whole thing is about profit, if his body of works isn't for his own profit, then he must be a shill.

    Every bit of it is patently false.

    Forgive me, I know that comes off aggressive, I just detest those who prey upon others with lies and deceit.

    There is absolutely zero information contained in those links that offers any benefit to a gambler. Every bit of it leads a gambler down the wrong path. And I say, he did it with premeditated intent and purpose.

    Baccaritic
     
  20. judge

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    Well said.
     

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