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Baccarat Live B+M Shoes

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. RouletteGhost

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  2. Junket King

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    That second girl, her name is Amber 24yrs old, she is the most adorable sweetest thing on the planet. I keep telling her, I will introduce her to my son and they can get married. My gawd she is sweet as apple pie, no boyfriend, I asked. She always calls me Mr John (not my real name), after telling her I'm old enough to be her Dad. I have a buzz with her, but she screws my game up because I have to write a lot of shit, which she doesn't realise, fuck I gotta win the lottery LOL.
     
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  3. Junket King

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    Yeah but they portion of the shoe is gone, the casino won't rewind or replay it for you. I know from table experience that overtly streaky portions of a shoe will be followed by chops, and that choppy shoes probably won't stay that way the the entire shoe. You have to move early and hope want you just seen, doesn't return. Jimski SFC which he posted, will generally follow the trend / sections, but there is always a nemesis, always a price to pay.
     
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  4. RouletteGhost

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    anyone ever think of a sequence then bet against it?

    for example I thought of the sequence B B B P B P

    then at random parts of the shoe ill be against it with an aggressive progression

    just a thought
     
  5. Junket King

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    Don't look now but you are reading randomness.

    I would have tried to score one win in the streaky half and one win in the changed choppy half. Those are the two big picture items or features. Most people try to play very close to the short lived changes. I like to see if I can see an overall feature. Three losses and four wins equals a net win. I can't tell if people are seeing these type of formations. Your instincts or experience on how shoes change is valuable information. You know the difference between a type that you can see and chaos. That's a kind of reading the shoe.
     
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  7. gizmotron

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    I tested it to death with computer sims. The idea was to randomly select from a list of 100 pre-written sequences like your example, only different, and then use the selected unique one at an exact moment somewhere in the session. It was an experiment in exact moment obfuscation. In other words this exact moment sequence was the only thing that could kill the progression if the results of the next events duplicated the sequence. It wins at the expected rate where any progression would be expected to win and lose at. In other words it fails.

    Everything about it seems like it should work. Now my progressions were only four steps and I had a 64% chance of winning each step on each event. So I guess you could use 6 steps with any 50 /50 game. It might be fun to write another exact moment sim to see for EC's. You got any good ideas on unique sequences? I could make a list from that and have the computer deliberately avoid losing streaks as an added feature. That would kill off the global effect swarms.
     

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    They do, particularly looking back, which isn't much use, you more or less have to bet in advance.

    There lies a problem.. While you aim might be to make 2 units in a shoe, those units need to be of a worthwhile value, as your only aiming to score 2. So what happens when you place your first 3 or 4 or more bets just when you think it is the right moment and lose them all. Leave the table and go find another, you now have to win xx units just to get to even, before you can consider any profit. I'll tell you in advance, it ain't gonna happen, period. Flat betting does not and will not work at the Baccarat tables. You might get lucky the once and that's about it.


    Cheers, don't let glenda know that, he's been preaching Turning points and Sections for some time now, actually it's useless historic information.
     
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    What aggressive progression?
     
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    ???
     
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    1 2 4 8 16 32 64

    lol
     
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    Hang on, what if the 5th or 6th win is a banker bet? :D:D
     
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    1.) I always bet for the trend to continue. It makes no sense to me to try to envision a sequence that is nowhere in sight.

    2.) I don't get rattled by 3 or 4 lost bets. I quit at 7 lost bets. I don't lose more than two bets on working trends and only once on first try bets. You might know that I said there will be times when you hit a swarm of first try losses. But this conversation is all about losing. I happen to be very skilled winner at coin toss games. Your impression that flat betting in Baccarat is a losing proposition could be right. But is it actually right? What I'm doing now and for how long it takes is to prove to the world that flat betting coin toss games can be won flat betting.

    3.) That axiom of past events being useless historic information is just the majority opinion for the time being. I'm hoping to change those opinions. All it will take is people winning using my training. That's here at this gambling forum, and it's free to anyone that wishes to apply themselves. I don't want people to pay anything or to be expected to share their own findings. I just feel that this idea of telling a working method is somewhat unique considering I know where the outcome will end up. People that have never played Roulette before have already shown me that they have obliterated the accepted mathematical probability for flat betting. It's only a matter of time. I'm out to take down the majority opinion and to cause a storm in the mathematical field that will be heard all around the world.
     
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    Now there is a coherent argument for playing Player only. Even better playing the Pass / Don't Pass lines.
     

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    Perfect! That's also what I think about taxes too.
     
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    I'm feeling lucky today :rolleyes:

    I've got a bet on the Bank, Play is on 3 , Bank on 4, next card to the Player a bloody 5 (shit) :mad:

    Thank fuck these people don't know how to shuffle properly and cards get clumped.

    Capture lucky B win.JPG

    Then it goes the other way, I'm on the Player, 7 not bad, Bank is only a low 2.

    Capture lose.JPG :mad::mad:

    Soon after, I'm on the Banco

    Player has sod-all 3, Bank has 3, Player goes down to 2, "get in"..

    Capture lose 2.JPG WTF :mad::mad::mad: low value bets, not the end of the world, but fuck-me :D:D

    Now here is an interesting one, I'm suppose to be on the PLAYER, I bet the wrong side, too late to change my bet, shit happens, too scared to look at the screen, higher value units, Player on 7, Fucccckkkkkkkk, I've got a Player bet directly after this, so no drama, but I hate making mistakes.

    Capture wrong side.JPG HUH, LOL LOL LOL

    For some unknown god-damn reason, I bet Bank next (wrong side yet again, higher value units, just not switched on today), fuckin' won that bet too, Jesus.

    Those two mistakes set me up nicely for the next column, now I bet the correct side, W2u L1u, but snared the win next time around!!


    Sometimes it pays to be a little judgemental and apply some common sense, don't be a total robot.

    3rd shoe of this session

    Capture skipped B.JPG

    Pointer A - I'm suppose to be betting Bank here, I'm looking at the shoe (if you read my limit to randomness thread, you'll get what I mean). For the Banker to double, it kinda makes the pattern too symmetrical for my liking, so I choose not to even drop down to 1u, fuck it, didn't think I would win the bet, so didn't place it, I was right. had I been wrong, it would have cost me nothing. So now I bet Bank and lose 1u, bet Bank again 2u Win. Had I bet the first intended Bank I would have pushed instead of making a chip.

    Pointer B - After the 2nd Banker, I'm suppose to be betting Banker, but I'm looking at the shoe and seeing repeating 2's, again got a gut feeling, they may continue, so no-bet 1st and 2nd P, then took the Banker bet at 2u, avoiding 2 losses. Subjective, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, these are only feeler bets, doesn't matter either way.. If in doubt, then sit it out.

    Now I quit for lunch, 3 shoes, up 39u.
     
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    The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

    In the interest of fairness and balance, let me highlight when things don't go according to plan (strongly recommend a few use this shoe as a practise shoe for staking practise/training).

    This shoe have come with a Public Health Warning, the complete antithesis to how I play.

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    Interesting start, should make some decent coin off this (yeah right)

    WW (1st gear) LLL (2nd gear, worries), LL (1st), LW (top gear), LLLL (1st), LLLLL (top gear), now I am Royally Fucked, don't have the capital for the next bet since I made a withdrawal few days earlier. Thus far, I've lost about 3 hands 7 fucking 6, unbelievable:mad::mad: I'm tilting.

    I've got a real stomach churning feeling, all I can think about is how much prior success I've undo, in one fuckin' shoe. Clock ticking, 8, 7,6,5,seconds, I go ALL IN, like every last penny.

    Result, finally, SoB's, just recouped my last top gear lost bet, repeat the same bet 2 hands later, WIN (I'm missing shit here, left, right and centre, too much pressure). Still in Top Gear, WIN, now the bastard are coming coming in :mad::mad::mad::mad:

    L (1st), WLWWWW (2nd gear) WWLLW (1st). Would have been home and dry if I had stayed in top gear, but who's to know.

    Jesus Wept, from an "all in" final bet, to a 676 "base" unit recovery, end the shoe minus 80 "base units", could have been much worst. Looking back it is plain to see why "AM"!!!!


    Got a bit of work to do in the next shoe. 3 Progression levels in play..

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    Again, another early fail, which I did manage to avoid 6L, due to ABR kicking in.

    L WWW LLL (all 1st gear) LW (top gear) W(1st) WW(top) LL(1st) LL (top gear) feel like they are determined to get me), hedge the Tie with 8u, beautiful hits after the 5th Banker. Lower the top gear bet, re-hedge the Tie, Win 6th Bank. LL (2nd gear), WW (top gear). Transfer remaining outstanding top gear string to 2nd gear, so I'm off the bloody thing. WLLWWWWWWLW (all at 1st gear).

    Pulled 550 "base units" from that shoe, for clarification, obviously I wasn't betting base units. 31 units up before the first shoe shown above...

    Forgot to add, the green pointer, I'm suppose to bet the 5th Bank, online shoes are way to symmetrical for my liking (I blame piss poor shuffle procedures), seen too many 4 by 4 streaks, if that happens now, I lose 3 bets in a row. Sod it, if in doubt sit it out.

    Who needs it LOL, I'll go back online a little later after a bite to eat and I've calmed down a bit.


    **Terry, take a copy of the top shoe and play it out, as I intend to do later ;)
     
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    no más hombre :D:D

    Way too much symmetry in these online shoes for my liking, starts influencing "should I or should I not" take my intended bet. I don't recall seeing so much symmetry in B&M casinos were the cards are shuffled correctly. Online they just grab handfuls and mixed them with another clump, separated in about groups of 10's, no attempt to separate individual cards, so you start seeing the same hand combo's over and over.

    Anyway must stop moaning, probably due to being run through the mill, losing trice 6-7 in the same shoe, get fucked. Once I start placing 1u bets, I know it's time to call it a day. Just over 6 shoe and decent haul of 171 base units, not without it's drama.

    Capture sym.JPG
    Final Shoe, couldn't be arsed completing it.
     
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    Yes, your column methods offer advantages. However, at the time, it seemed the Ghost was depending on the 6 column to somehow increase his success betting TBL. In this regard, I can see no advantage.
     

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