Baccarat Why Banker is the wrong choice for progression play?

I am not a great fan of copy-paste one post on various forums but this post may be good to be read:
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19...rong-choice-for-progression-play#.VZ3qAxuqqko

 

Is understandable. Does it work out to be much better with no Banker commission? Here in Southeast Asia, there is no commission.

Also, the Banker "Super Six", payable at 50% of the amount bet, is terrible! I hate it! This HAS to account as a BIG commission for the casino! Not sure how many times this Banker "6" averages coming up per shoe. I would say I see it about 5 - 7 times per shoe.

 

@Michael,
I hope you have seen that I am only into serious debates on the game. No commission baccarat charges through "Banker Six" paying half then. It is much like "la partage" rule in french roulette. Although it keeps the overall impact of house edge almost close to that of regular baccarat, still it is not as bad for progressive betting as regular one.

 

There are 9 ways a banker can win. Banker can't win at 0 since it can either lose or tie with player.It can win at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Many countries prefer to pay half at banker 6 cases, many at banker5 or banker7 or banker8 or banker9. It doesn't matter much though. Paying 50% in any 1/9 case of banker will make the house edge as stronger as it should be and it will be easier for the casino and player both to compute this way. I think it is a convenient way of playing baccarat than 5% charge on all banker wins.

 

Using a progression in bac is suicidal. Develop a good bet selection and you will not need a progression. Most people never take the time needed (years) in practice to learn how to play the game, they want rush in with a progression and lose their BR right away.

 

@EKAPS,
Regarding flat betting, I firmly believe that it can not win in long run with house edge and randomness both working against us. http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19...-to-win-flat-bet-in-casino-games#.VbRgjLOqqko

I would still like to argue if you can put any light on how a good bet selection is achieved. Is it through betting with the trends?

 

Yes, that's what everybody believes. The players, the casino, the mathletes. If everybody believes it, then it must be true. You all just parrot each others beliefs and it becomes a religion. (I love how you back up your statement by posting a link to your own blog. Like you're the expert. Very funny.)

Every year in Vegas they have big money bac tournaments. It's always the same high rollers and it's always a very small group of people who consistently win. Why is that, it can't be luck. It's because bac is their whole life, they study it like a science, they learn the secrets of random outcomes that the game of bac produces. It's different than the random a roulette wheel puts out, but you can't see it because you have never studied it for years, but it's not the same. They study it like a science and learn when to bet.

 

No betting system can win long run against a house edge.

 

That's what all the amateurs say, so it must be true. Just ask the head amateur Alibaba..

 

I'm no amateur and it is in FACT true.

Your tournament argument doesn't hold water as players compete against each other, not the house.

 

What's the difference? The cards are the cards, you either get the next hand right or you don't. What's difference if you play roulette on a home wheel or in a casino. You still lose when a zero shows up. You still lose if you bet on the wrong number.

 

Because in a tournament, if you have the most chips at the end, even though it's less than what you started with, you win. In a normal game, you've lost.

 

Doesn't matter. The tournaments have the same small group of winners. If it was just blind luck, like you're implying, the group of winners would be much larger. A huge amount of skill at proper bet selection goes into winning tournaments. Same with poker. If you're not a skillful player, you will not end up with the most chips. You have to know when to place the largest bets and when not to, and that comes from good bet selection.

 

No doubt, there is skill in almost any form of tournament play. I'm just saying that there is none of this in actual casino play. You don't know their finances nor see them play every time. It's what's called "confirmation bias."

 

The art of "bet selection/win" separates the winners from the losers. It doesn't matter how much is bet, it is when/where it is bet. Skillful players that have studied and played the game for years utilize this method. To me, that separates the pros from the amateurs.

I am still learning. What amazes me is to follow a few "pros" in the casino as they go from table to table, searching for the bet placement they are looking for. I watch and follow them. I cannot tell you what they do nor have they told me. I can tell you the few I have followed amaze me. They rarely ever lose a bet as I follow them.

Yes, I could just bet what they bet but that takes the fun and skill out of it. I would rather learn from one if I could obtain his/her time and experience.

 

They have perfected bet selection. They know when
to bet. Think about that. They know when to bet.
They know when to bet.

They will never tell you how they do it. The magician
never gives the secret to his magic. Why would he.
You think he learned by begging someone to teach him?

 

Oh really???????????
Really, you belong to turbogenius team. What is a good bet selection, by the way? Never heard of any in baccarat. Lets hear from this gentleman, if he has something that can be termed as a "good bet selection".

 

It's comes from understanding the game in such a way that you know when to bet and not bet.

You're from India? I know an older man from India at my local casino. I understand he is up on the casino over $200,000 dollars. He plays nothing but bac. They let him play because they want their money back. He always bets the max, which is $2500 in this casino. He wins about 7 out of 10 sessions. He has an excellent bet selection that very seldom lets him down. He owns a local business and speaks good English, but in the casino he
pretends not to. He follows patterns and trends, but has an uncanny sense when to change sides. Once there was a streak of player that went on for 14 straight hands. He was making a killing and when it came to the 15th, he stared at his writing for a long time. He finally bet $2500 on banker, and gave the person next to him $2500 to bet on banker for him. When banker won, the entire table of Asians jumped to their feet and applauded.
He colored up and left.

Was that chance? Probably. But this guy is good, he understands the game better than anybody I know. Except me, of course.

 

OK!!!!!!!!!!
and when should we bet and when not?
It would be more interesting to know than the story/incident of the old Indian you just told all.

You are the best gambler ever but people expect to listen the logic of your greatness than stories. Unless you use some voodoo or supernatural powers, people can try to follow your great approaches which can be done humanly, if there is any.

 

Um, when you see that it's time to bet is when you should bet? Duh..

Oh, you want me to take your hand and lead you like a child, is that what you're asking? Show you when to bet?