Roulette Don't be a data puppet. Beware non-live dealer online.

For those that play online:

I know a live dealer is always to be preferred but for a while now I've played and tested using Playtechs roulette game through a reputable UK bookie/casino.

Its faster and cheaper, but ultimately I've come to the conclusion they are more than a bit iffy!
Obviously its a hard thing to prove, but when they have masses of data on you (and they do and all offshore) and how your likely to play, you're pretty much a puppet on their string.

I've certainly noticed patterns in how my game can almost feel orchestrated by them. How I play can win and win often. But it can feel like they 'flick a switch' that draws on your style of play, which in my case will be repeaters with progressions. When 'it happens' it feels like they start laying on repeats for you almost like bait. You feel like its going well then a kill switch hits! Of course when your outlay is enough for them to rake back in what you've already won.

This isn't any kind of bitterness at any loss. Just on observation I've built up over 'lots' of sessions. You cant help but notice a difference between non-live roulette and live dealer. A difference geared towards what they know your likely to do. And you cant prove a thing.

As an example (and yes i know everything is possible!) the other night i had these two triple repeats within 8 spins. Cant say I recall ever seeing that. And that was preceded by an onslaught of 2x repeats in the previous 18 spins. I was playing repeats it felt like they bloody well knew it and wanted my cash on them all! I won on it anyway



Just wanted to air this. Others might have got the same sense. Feel free to discuss. Or not.
Stick to live dealers.

 

I did see weird stuff to playing online at those online games . But then again you play much more numbers coz the next spin is only a click away. And random can produce that ( but it should be a rare event). Now about the info they got about you.... few years back i watched a docu about online casino's ( behind the scènes) . They dont look how you play. But they track everybody their profit. Those that made to much get in the "shark" category. If they stay in there to long they kick you out. But these are the casino's under supervize of the gambling commission (fair rng and not those rng thats programmed to make you lose )......Those other casino's no idea But stay away

 

I suppose as the years roll by, these organizations get more and more sophisticated. One thing that struck me recently when comparing quite a few of them that were available to UK players is that most of them were registered at the same address in Malta if they weren't one of the big UK bookmaker outfits. A friend of mine who is close to the industry warned me to stay away from the RNG stuff because off the AI they use to collect data and distribute the winnings. As always, be careful when risking your hard earned money.

 

Its not only in online, its everywhere even in BM casino. U cant prove that bcz they got a shield called random. If u call it fishy camon random can do anything bla bla. And comission is useless. Lots of report comes out of cheating then get buried.

why sir anyone is so confident? Bcz he knows all cheat under the shield of random, another cover up is varience. Its easy

 

Any idea what that documentary was called?
And yes its true you seen many more spins than normal so see what the brain interprets as odd. But beyond that it still feels orchestrated somewhat.

 

In live dealer online or BM your kind of immune to any perceived quirkeries due to many multiple players doing different things on the same table.

 

Well if you take a serie of 10 ec and that you ask 1024 new players to play an individual serie, whatever the odd is, there will be one that will lose all bets... You can be sure that one will say it is rigged.

 

Its a belgian tv show called "telefacts". Not sure if you could understand any of it coz its in Dutch .

 

Well to be fair ...So it is with online live dealer too . But playing against a program just doesn't feel right. I stay away from it. Not even for testing in play mode. That being said.... if you look at the airball machines where many people play all kind of differen systems....aint it funny if you bet the opposite of the guy that uses the big chips you come out winning most of the times. Luck ? Who knows

 

Its only rigged if we lose right?

 

But is it rigged?

Ask yourselves is the law of the third present over 37 spins.

Okay let’s not say the law; let’s just see if the 24 non-hits from the starting 37 are there, or say 23 or 25.

Sorry for mentioning you Winkel; but like he said in GUT the law or not law is always there. If not then you could be playing against a rigged device.

Luck of the Irish showed you could see in data from millions of spins; 32 of the starting non-hits in 37 spins, but it only happened I think 5 times.

Then there’s the times it gives say; here is the post anyway

37 spin cycle:

15 1
16 12
17 202
18 1417
19 6020
20 18309
21 41304
22 73951
23 98780
24 102814
25 80164
26 47276
27 20934
28 6706
29 1685
30 349
31 35
32 5

So Fossell when or where you play keep an eye on blocks of 37 spins, or can you get previous spins of play and check to see if 24 of the starting 37 like above 102’814 times is happening.

 

Here are your random numbers:

29

18

2

3

12

27

11

30

28

4

28

26

28

26

32

35

10

21

21

6

14

18

25

34

30

3

13

35

34

24

28

31

23

20

30

9

14

Timestamp: 2019-12-12 11:13:05 UTC



So just picked 37 from DrSAA best place for numbers to test and it gets 25 of the starting 37.

That's a one off request for 37 numbers, so Fossell keep an eye on every 37 spins.

Now I guess Turbo and Denzie will say wow #28

 

That's like taking candy from a baby lol

 

Yes exactly, and if we win we are the greatest.

But i wouldn't play on those rng stuff actually, it's just a slot with a roulette face...

 

SharpT
Then why does General dickhead promote random.org to test with.
RGN #'s are no problem to play with; if you've collected enough #'s to see how they perform.
Here's a clue repeats whether live or rng usually come 1-3-5-7&30 at 60 spins; dayin dayout.

 

I don't know why, probably because random.org do not offer a game to play and just shows random distribution... If you don't have intention to play a physics way and just statistics it should be the same yes...

Rng is a problem for me just because in b&m the redistribute 80% and online they redistribute around 96% (i don't remember exactly but it''s much more than in B&m due to the working cost) while with roulette there is no redistribution, just a edge to overcome...

 

The thing with Random.org is that they don't have any skin in the game. It's not the same as playing at some dodgy RNG outfit with a Curacao gaming license.

I always go back to something Mr J said which is true! If you are going to test, test in conditions which are as lifelike as you are going to find when you go to play. For Roulette, Spielbank Wiesbaden has 7-8 tables running every day where you can access the spins. For Baccarat, BaccaratBuster 2 software is not RNG and you can design the shuffle anyway you want.

 

Yes Eugene and I’ve said that as well in KTF topic.

Eugene you’re UK as me. Now I played for many years on the bookies rng and kept every game I played for the data. The machine gives the mocked law of the third.

Even the repeats are for the 40 spins 1-3-5-7.

But I can’t use them any more as it’s now max/min bet of £2.

The reason IDIOTS played on them, with no idea how to play, you hear them say it’s due to pay out; idiots.

 

The funniest thing I ever saw was when going in to a Betfred in West Bromwich and this guy was playing on the FOBT and he was trying to 'tilt' the machine like it was a pinball machine thinking he could get the ball to go into one of the next door neighbour numbers. What can you say to that. For people that don't know, a FOBT is a cabinet and you see a cartoon graphic of the roulette wheel spinning once you press the button and the RNG decides what number is coming up.

 

What to think of those who caress the slot before starting?