Baccarat Different Martingale Methods (Marty users only)

Hi all. I'm new here and good day to all.

This thread is not to discuss the pros/cons of the martingale system as I suppose everybody has a different experience when using it and a different opinion about it. Instead, this is for those who believe somehow this system can be profitable over a period of time to share their methods for the good will. Hopefully we can all learn something new from each other.

To start off, currently I am using a 5 step marty now, and my target is +10 units flat per day. If lady luck doesn't like me on any particular day, I'll stop at the bust of -31 units minus away whatever units I achieved before the bust.

Dear all experts, am I asking too much? For a 5 step marty to win 10 units while putting 31 units at risk? To win 32.25% of my bankroll is alright, or too high? Should I change to a 4 step marty to win lesser amount of units or a 6 step marty but have to risk and win more times?

Thank you in advance if anyone does reply and gives their opinion.

 

Hi Eeejon that will depend on the strength of your system. I personally wouldnt risk so high to secure 1 unit with 31 at risk. My system employs only a 2 step Marty. Putting 3 units at risk per game to win 1 unit. And has been successful so far. Most important. Is that your bet selection is solid enough to show upward movement over the long term. With little down trends.

If you have this you are onto a winner.

 

Hi Joe Ferguson. Thanks for the reply. The thing is I'm not sensitive to bet selection, thus after years of playing, I only go for random selections now. As in I don't follow trends, don't think too much, just pick any side I like at that moment and hope lady luck tried to shine on me. May I ask you, for each session of play, how many 2 steps Marty do you u use? As in, if your 1st and 2nd attempt is unlucky, do you restart again? And if so, how many times before u decide to call it a day.

 

Joe Ferguson,


A very conservative approach.





ND

 

Hi Eeejon

I play two to three sessions a day. Each session is 5 to 8 bets. Depending on what happens. If I win my first 5 bets. I stop the session and bank that. As that's about as good as it gets. I rarely lose more than 2 games in an 8 game session. At 1--2 that would be a break even SESSION. But I will double after a loss. As it nearly always wins.

I tend to win 6 sessions to every 1 I lose. So overall. I show a gain for the week. I play 10 to 14 sessions a week. I havent had a losing week so far in 8 months.

So its going really well.

 

Hi Joe Ferguson

Hope things will stay this way for you and best of luck. Wish I am as accurate as you. Today is not my day, manage +6 units and bust on the 7th. -25 units for the day. Had a really tough time controlling not to fight back haha.

 

Thanks, yes that's the problem with a Marty beyond 2 or 3 steps. Its alot to recover upon loss. Unless you know when it's on it will win 50 plus times in a row. I dont see the value.

It's important to me to see mostly forward movement. Nothing is promised with this game. Some say no paper system can ever win in the long run. I dont know. I'm 435 units up in 8 months. A losing session will usually only cost me 4 units. I play 12 to 15 sessions a week. And have never had more than 4 losing ones in a week. I will keep going. If I think it's worth it. I will post it up here in July.

 

The only thing you’ve mentioned thus far that I would recommend against doing. Not simply because of the obvious possibility that black swan type events (3+ losses in a row) can and do occur at a high rate versus actual probability expectations, but mainly because it opens a mental door that is too easy to walk through to real damage.

One bad day in terms of discipline can see a loss, followed by a 2x loss, followed by another loss at 2x or worse 4x, which then has you facing a tough question of how to proceed. Do you play 2x as your new “base”, and 4x after a loss (putting pressure on the total BR), or, do you now face a horrendously long term grind if you stick to the default 1x/2x level of play.

Not saying you would make that mistake, you seem determined to stick to the recipe (good job). For lurkers reading however, stay at 1x on your base unit and don’t alter it, even after 2+ losses in a row.

Other than that it sounds good, keep it up Joe. Plenty of shoes online from actual casinos to test against, apply your BS and MM to them on a continual basis (play the whole shoe...no hit and run) and see if you’re still ahead. If you are, then get to 1000+ shoes tested, continuously played, see if the advantage holds.

That’s what I did, and when I realized what I had at the end it then gave me the confidence to not care about small drawdowns or bad days/weeks/etc. I knew what to expect as to how bad it could get, even in terms of black swans, etc., and that I would always win over time no matter what the circumstance. No worries at negative variance in other words.

You’re on the right track.

 

Hi Mako,

Very nice post. Keep them coming.

BTW, what would you recommend as BR in units, stop win and stop loss.

Thanks

 

Yes overall I agree. I will only double up the one time. Because I'm limited to 8 bets per session. And back to back losses are averaging 16/1 in my particular game.

If I bet 1/2 and then 2/4. I've exposed a total of 9 units. Against an event that happens once for every 16 times it doesnt so far. And that's an acceptable risk for me.

It's gone as long as 31 single losses. Before theres been a double. That is something worth taking a risk on.

 

I been testing a anti-streaks style usin a shorts leash grand marty buckin up against over 16 000 shoe and show a nifty little profit of just over two units nets profits per shoe, with -537 units bein the worst case drawdowns scenario. So, a mart can work but keep it short, 5 step or less and only use the grand marty at the baccarats to overcome the tax pay on winning bankers bet especially if yer bettin bankers only, hey hey.

 

Hi Joe
Interesting play.
What do you mean "depending on what hapoened"?I
You follow trends?
I also play 1-2 Marty
I bet only after a chop.
So I win one unit on every single or double P or B.
But I lose 3 units in case of 3+ P or 3+B where I stop until it change again and I bet.
Thanks

 

Hi Anastasios,

Interesting post.

How long are playing this method and are you profitable?
How many units is your daily session BR and your stop win and stop losses.

Are you betting after PBP or PB (BPB or BP)

Thanks,

 

I'been playing only for two months this method.
Stop win 10 units
Stop loss 15 units
I bet :
PB bet 1 unit on P
BP bet 1 unit on B
If lose the second step is::
PBB bet 2 units on P
BPP bet 2 units on B
If lose at the second step I stop and wait for the next chop to come
So I win 1 unit in every chop of BP, PB, PP , BB
And I lose 3 units in every 3+ B or 3+P streak
So in order to lose the shoe, the 3+B and 3+P streaks should be more than 1/3 of the whole shoe
I m waiting for your kind of betting
Thanks

 

My betting is 4 step limited Marty (1248) and my bet selection is dominant side in 4 columns.

Overall, I'm not profitable that's why I'm looking for a more robust method.

Thanks,

 

Hi, Does Scenario( PPB, or BBP, ) qualify for a bet, & Secondly a 3+ streak followed by a double & then single chop( BBB+, PP, B, / PPP+, BB, P, ) also qualify, or not, kindly clarify & BTW how have u been faring for the past 2 months, ur cooperation is appreciated, thanks

 

B bet P 1 unit
P win 1 unit. Bet B 1 unit
P lose 1 unit. Bet B 2 units
B win 2 units. End Marty. Bet P 1 unit
P win 1 unit . Bet B 1 unit
P lose 1 unit. bet B 2 units
P lose 2 units. End Marty. Stop betting
P
P
P
B bet P one unit
B lose 1 unit. bet P 2 units
P win 2 units. End Marty. bet B 1 unit
B win 1 unit. bet P 1 unit
P win 1 unit. bet B 1 unit
P lose 1 unit. bet B 2 units
B win 2 units. Bet P 1 unit
P win 1 unit. Bet B 1 unit
P lose 1 unit. bet B 2 units
P lose 2 units. End Marty. Stop betting
B bet P 1 unit
P win 1 unit. bet B 1 unit
P lose 1 unit. bet B 2 units
B win 2 units. bet P 1 unit
P win 1 unit. bet B 1 unit
B win 1 unit

Total: + 6 units

I usually start betting when I see a shoe with many 3+ streaks together and waiting for a trend of chops of one and two to start.

 

Hi there!

Thanks for the details.

Are you profitable with this method?

Best regards,

 

What is 4 columns?