1. Welcome to the #1 Gambling Community with the best minds across the entire gambling spectrum. REGISTER NOW!
  2. Have a gambling question?

    Post it here and our gambling experts will answer it!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Discussions in this section are assumed to be EV- as they are outside of the Advantage Play section. For EV+ discussions, please visit the Advantage Play section.
    Dismiss Notice

Baccarat Winning 95% of the time, with 10% bankroll win.

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Mike Park, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Hi All,

    I developed a martingale strategy with 5 double-up bets that use patience and good money management to win 19 out of 20 sessions at the Casino. This strategy requires a casino to have at least 10+ open tables and allows over-the-shoulder betting. I play at Horseshoe, Hammond IN, which has 15-20 tables open on busy days and average around 2 bets/hour. Note that this may be boring at times, but at least I am not losing money if there are no good bets to bet on. I tried this in Macau, where there are electronic touch screen betting stations, that interacts with 10+ actual live tables at the casino. I loved this since I didn't have to run around the casino from table to table.

    With a $3,100 investment, betting $100 as the initial bet, you can win $300/day which requires only 3 winning hands to attain. The time spent at the casino ranges anywhere from 1 to 6 hours.
    Also, anytime I have a $3,100 loss, I come with a double ($6,200) bankroll for a $600 goal for the next 5 sessions.

    For this martingale strategy, you can develop your own rules on which hands to bet on across all the tables:
    1. Develop a rule for a bet, based on the frequency of that event across all tables. Note that the rules that I've developed for my bets, results in an average of 2 bets/hour. Therefore, ensure that the rules that you develop result in no more than 2-3 bets/hour.
    2. No fear: Must commit to your double-up bet, when your bet comes.
    3. If you somehow miss a winning bet that you would have made because you didn't make it to the table early enough to make the bet you need to count that as a win and start over (assuming it was your initial 1 or 2 unit bet). Hopefully, it's not the $1,600 All-In bet that you missed and could have won. This happened to me a few times and I was disciplined enough to take the $1,200-$1,500 loss for the day and go home.
    4. If I lose my $3,200 bankroll, which happens 1 out of 20 times, my next 5 sessions will be with a $6,200 bankroll with a goal of $600 per session. If I ever lose the $6,200 bankroll, then my next 5 sessions will be with a $12,400 bankroll. ($12,400 bankroll has not happened yet over 200 sessions).
    The following betting rule works for me with 12-18 tables open. Note that all 3 rules below must apply to induce a bet:
    • Natural hands win on either side should chop to the other side, and non-natural win on either side should follow.
    • Must have 2 or more wrong (not actual bets) in a row from the preceding rule.
    • The 3rd occurrence of a pattern with no ties in between. For example, PBBPBBPB...., would result in a Bank bet. PBPBPB... would result in a Player bet.
    You can make your own rule for inducing a bet. For example, you can make a rule opposite of my rule. Try making your own rule and share the results so that we can learn from each other.

    The reason why this strategy works is that you are randomizing when you can make a bet and the chances of you losing 5 in a row with these bet limiting rules are very small. Also, patience plays a big part of this strategy as most people don't have patience.

    With a $3,100 bankroll, if you win $300 in 19/20 sessions and lose $3,100 in 1 session, then you are still up $2,600 (5,700-3,100) every 20 sessions. In so far, with approximately 200 sessions, I am up approximately $25K. For people who are able to afford bigger bankrolls, their gains will of course be bigger. I go with a $3,100 bankroll as I am more comfortable with this amount. However, I have over $30,000 in reserve set aside for this Baccarat system. Wish I had $350K in cash so that I can go to the casino with a $50,000 bankroll (with $300K reserve) to win $5,000 a day. Prior to this system, I've lost close to $400,000 in 30 years at the Casino playing all table games and sometimes slots. Now, I only play Baccarat with my 5 bet martingale strategy.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2020
    dewajudi and Joey Torres like this.
  2. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2016
    Likes:
    323
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Interesting strategy. Thanks for sharing!
     
  3. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2018
    Likes:
    20
    Location:
    India
    P
    Hi Mike, I didn't understand by 2 or more wrong bets( not actual bets) in a row from the preceding rule, kindly clarify, thanks
     
  4. Kajzersose

    Kajzersose New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2018
    Likes:
    0
    Location:
    USA
    If you playing at Hammond Horseshoe we've definitely seen each other. I play something similar to yours, the problem is due the corona thing and limited table spots (3 spots only), you might not be able to just jump in when your triger pops up. Not sure if they would even let you sit for 30 + min without placing a single bet. Probably online would've work better (more tables, you bet whenever you want), but then again, sometimes weird things happening on online games.
     
  5. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I haven't been back since the reopening, but if they no longer let you make over-the-shoulder bets and only have 3 seats per table, then the strategy cannot be applied. The only other casino in the USA with 10+ open tables is Golden Nugget in Vegas. Guess, I will have to wait until the COVID situation is over for me to go back.
    BTW, I'm the guy with the mono-scope to look at the scoreboards, so that I don't have to run around so much. ;)
     
  6. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    The 3 rules below are what I developed for me to engage a bet:
    • Natural hands win on either side should chop to the other side, and non-natural win on either side should follow.
    • Must have 2 or more wrong (not actual bets) in a row from the preceding rule.
    • The 3rd occurrence of a pattern with no ties in between. For example, PBBPBBPB...., would result in a Bank bet. PBPBPB... would result in a Player bet.
    Must have 2 or more wrong applies the rule, below: Note that you can make up your own rule on this, perhaps a rule that is opposite of the below.
    • Natural hands win on either side should chop to the other side, and non-natural win on either side should follow.
    Example: On a scoreboard, if a Natural 8 or 9 followed on either side then a non-natural win on either side chopped, then that would be 2 wrong based on the rule above without actual bets. However, when making a bet, it must align with all 3 rules developed. Let's say p is non-natural player, b is non-natural banker, P is Natural Player, and B is Natural Banker: The following 2 scorecard results would induce a bet.
    1. PBBPBbpb would result in a Bank bet. The bpb sequence is 2 wrong since non-natural win should follow, based on the rule.
    2. PBpbpB... would result in a Player bet. The pbpB sequence is 3 wrong since non-natural win should follow and natural win should chop, based on the rule.
    Hope this makes sense and best of luck if you choose to follow this "patience and discipline" strategy. It works for me, applying this strategy for over a year.
     
  7. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2018
    Likes:
    20
    Location:
    India
    Hi, thanks for the explaination BTW e.g Consider a scenario PBBB, here also we have 2 wrong bets, because BBB, are Naturals & they are not chopping hence 2 wrong bets, so it induces a bet, now what should we bet ? & 2nd scenario Pbpb, here bpb, Non naturals are chopping , hence 2 wrong bets, so does it qualify for follow up bet on banker 5 step Marty ?Kindly clarify, thanks
     

  8. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I should have clarified, previously. My only bets are 2nd player/bank or chop after 1 player/bank, following the pattern on the 3rd or later occurrence.
     
  9. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2018
    Likes:
    20
    Location:
    India
    Thanks, Mike, But this might take a hell lot of time to induce a bet, because
    1) These patterns occur seldomly( not every shoe
    2) Then even when these two patterns appear, we have Naturals Chop, & Non Naturals follow, rule to implement, to make a bet, & that too, if the patterns have no ties
    3)We, cannot take history of past few hands,if we are in the middle of the pattern, because all Scoreboards don't mention the Natural/ Non Natural data, so we have to sit & wait for the patterns to appear,
    BTW Am I correct in deciphering ur rules?
     
  10. CarloDarlo

    CarloDarlo Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2018
    Likes:
    73
    Occupation:
    Professional Gambler
    Location:
    Sin City
    So do you reset If you lose your double up aswell?

    Example 3,100 buyin

    Loss

    Next session 6,200 buyin

    Loss

    Then what do you do next? Reset to 3,100??
     
  11. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    If in a session/day, I lose $3,100 (5 martingale: $100, $200, $400, $800, $1,600) then on my next 5 session/day, I bring a $6,200 bankroll for a $600 goal per session/day to recoup $3,000. With my strategy with over 200 sessions, I have luckily not lost the $6,200 bankroll. But YES, if I lose the $6,200 bankroll, then the next 5 sessions would be with a $12,400 bankroll for a $1,200 goal per session/day.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2020
  12. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    The score boards at most casinos show natural vs non-natural. And yes, it would take a long time to induce a bet. With 14 tables open, there’s an average of 2 bets/ hour. Your are correct in deciphering my rules, but as I’ve stated you can make your own rules based on what you like. Perhaps u can make a rule for the pattern to break on the third occurrence and only play those hands across all tables. It’s the rule for following or chopping natural vs non-natural that randomized when u can bet.
    My strategy takes a lot of patience and discipline, but in the long run I‘ve always come out ahead in a year+ of testing out this strategy. just want to share my strategy so that others can also win from casinos. So many people lose at the casino since they don’t know when to go home. My goal is always 10% but sometimes I will reset for a 2nd session if I win early.
    Good luck!!
     
  13. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2018
    Likes:
    273
    Location:
    USA
    Golden Nugget has 2 tables. You are thinking of the Gold Coast.
     
    Mike Park likes this.
  14. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Yes, you're right. I got confused with Gold Coast casino in Vegas. Thanks!
     

  15. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2018
    Likes:
    273
    Location:
    USA
    No problem! Hope you are back in action soon. Crazy times we live in now.
     
  16. MDawg

    MDawg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2020
    Likes:
    453
    Occupation:
    Lawyer, Businessman
    Location:
    California
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2020
  17. jbs

    jbs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2015
    Likes:
    310
    If banker wins 10 in a row with an exact 10,9 over the player 10,8, what would you bet and why?

    Answer: IT MAKES NO DAMN DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THOSE EXACT SAME CARDS COULD'VE BEEN JUST THE OPPOSITE WITH 10,8 FOR BANKER AND 10,9 FOR PLAYER.

    Following streaks or any other BS is stupid and DOESN'TWORK!!!
     
  18. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2015
    Likes:
    3,040
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    The West Coast of USA, RV'ing
    That is true if you think it will always work for you.

    But, you can change everything and search for when it is working and when it is not working.
    All you have to do is become skillful at noticing when it's working and when it is not working.

    Here is why I use it.
    When it is working it appears to be in sequence with predicting the future, an illusion I might add.
    When it is not working it looks like it does not work.

    So any time a gambler suggests using trends and leaves out situational timing and conditional awareness they are lying to themselves out of complete ignorance. And in that case all they have to look forward to is it not working. Yet many of them insist that it works. They haven't gotten past this stage of awareness. They think that they have gone far enough. They have not and are in for disappointment.
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2020
    Nathan Detroit likes this.
  19. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2014
    Likes:
    2,080
    We know what streaks are but what is "other B.S."?


    Thank You.
     
  20. Mike Park

    Mike Park New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Likes:
    3
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    This system that I developed is a system of patience and requires that the Casino have at least 10 tables in play where the scoreboards can be seen. Also, the only bets are 2nd Player or Banker or chop and bets are few and far between. It takes extreme patience to apply this system and it’s more like a job to me for supplemental income at a rate of 2 system bets per hour with 12 tables open.
    I am a software developer contractor, but the contract is coming to an end at the end of this month. Unfortunately, due to the Pandemic, Horseshoe currently has a 3 seat max per table with no over the shoulder betting so my chance to gamble professionally cannot be applied at this time. I wish that casinos in the USA had touch screen betting kiosks like they do in Macau where you can bet on 10+ live baccarat table in the Casino via the Kiosk. That would be great for me as I don’t have to run around like a mad man to make the next martingale bet in case 2 system bets come at the same time.
    If anyone knows of any casino in the USA with 10+ baccarat table with betting kiosks to electronically bet on those live tables, please share the location of the casino. Macau had them when I visited in 2009. My plan is to make $500/day with a $5k bankroll with $160 starting bet.
     

Share This Page