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Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by varmenti, Mar 4, 2018.

  1. Mcvince

    Mcvince Active Member

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    Because it's mine. Not yours.
     
  2. judge

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    I agree with Jimske...GROW UP. I joined this forum with hopes of learning how to be a better player, not just another gambler. Unfortunatley, the forum is full of folks like you who offer nothing. Keep your SAP 20 and VIN whatever and I'll keep trying to be a better player. And when I do I'll be happy to share it with you.
     
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  3. Mcvince

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    If you were smart enough to put in the hard work and create something you because protective of it. If dumsky....I mean Jimske gets the real Vinsap and puts it out I guarantee NONE of you have what it takes to make it a winner. That's why.
     
  4. Jimske

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    Just a little background. SAP came from E. Clifton Davis which was an acronym for "Self Adjusting Progression." It was Davis that created the vertical format dividing the shoe into columns of 20 and also created the notation to easily explain outcomes (P 122... means P started with a single then 2 B and 2 P... etc. pretty innovative). It was Davis that created the weighted count years before McVince here along with BTC members morphed it into the variants they now use (whatever they are). Keith form BTC and McVince didn't know shit from shinola until Davis came along. As much as old Clifton hates my guts I still always gave him credit for being an innovator and still get a chuckle when I think of when we played together in MS years ago.

    Point is everything I have learned came from other players or students of the game. So McVince is not the only one to stand on someone elses shoulders. Maybe now he has the holy grail and is afraid the game will be shut down? Like soxfan said you could give someone a method on a silver platter and most wouldn't play it! Like Jerry Patterson told me years ago, "you got to decide whether you want to win money or play a game, you can't do both." Most don't have the discipline or bankroll required to made decent money off this game. The game is a boring grind in the end.

    Personally, I'm not interested in McVince style. But I hope some will get something out of it and maybe use it or some modification of the unweighted concept to help there game. I always liked the weighted averages Davis "invented" (I never used them live) and maybe the unweighted concept that came from it will be something folks will like or be a better way of playing.

    J
     
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    Then you shouldn't have any worries. I for one hopes that he does, just to piss you off....lol
     
  6. Mcvince

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    Good one. Davis was an inferior player with so many systems. He was a fraud. The difference is that I paid Davis for those systems. His weighted SAP was another hoax because those weights were configured over millions of shoes, not the show you are playing now. There is an old saying "A little knowledge is dangerous". It will be true in this case. Please, if you get VINSAP, don't use it. If you don't know why it works it will not work out for you.
     
  7. Jimske

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    You are making my point, McVince. It's not the REAL Vinsap and NONE have what it takes so why you so upset with the ad hominem attacks?

    You should really just be talking about the efficacy of unweighted counts as opposed to weighted counts. If I get some time I may revisit that whole concept. So I thank you for bringing it up.
     

  8. Mcvince

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    You had no right to share something that you thought was something that belonged to someone else.
     
  9. Jimske

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    LOL, I already told you I don't care about it! It's just another Baccarat discussion as far as I'm concerned.

    What I don't understand is if I had a system that I didn't want anybody to know I wouldn't come to these forums and start talking about it! Duh! So I guess you just want to make sure everybody knows you are a "world class professional Baccarat player?"

    Okay, we know! You happy now?
     
  10. Mcvince

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    Blitz brought it up, not me.
     
  11. Jimske

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    Since I'm on a roll, LOL! Where were you playing in 2008?
     

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    A member on another forum, who was a Davis student, began a thread in 2018, praising Davis who he described as "one of the five best Baccarat players in the US", and his method.

    He even included a lengthy message allegedly from Davis, which was a promotion for his newest forum.

    One month later, the member apologized to the Forum and requested that the thread be deleted, because after playing over 5,000 hands on over 350 shoes with Davis, he found that Davis’ win ratio, despite all that “S40, Mode3, U1D2, OTR, U1D2B2, U1D1B3, +20 Prog, +30 Prog” nonsense, was still the expected 50%, and he had no edge.
     
  14. Roubacc

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    Jimske, we’re you a member at BTC? Seems like you were atriums during Norms and PapaJoes time. Is that correct?
     

  15. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    never was a member
     
  16. Roubacc

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    I don’t know how you are calculating your numbers, you said “you have to win $50,000 a day to make 2 million a year”? No you dont! $5479 a day, gets you to 2M per year. You need to brush up on your math. And just for the record, he did in fact win 2 Million over 2 years. He was flat betting 5k units.
     
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