Baccarat Craps and punkcity dialogue thread.

The above method is where you are not trying to BEAT the house. You are letting the HOUSE beat itself. Think about it. ALWAYS ON ALL BANKER RUNS. A lot of people ONLY bet B but you will not find one that don't go against any P. This my friend is the difference. How accurate with the higher bets with the B is the decider.

 

Hi, thanks a lot for the method, just need to ask a few questions
1) Should we have a Stop loss per shoe ,cuz, there will be Player Dom shoes with isolated Banker's & Choppy shoes ( nemesis for this method)
2) Any life long bank roll in units to recoup multiple losing shoes
3) Should we start from the beginning or we can jump any point of the shoe,

 

I am just giving a hint on playing. It is not a spoon feed method. By now you should convince yourself any method is the same. It's how the shoe plays out to what you chose do.
If you twist my arm on what to do, I would say use a large bankroll mostly flat betting and only increase your bet on a favorable shoe where there are a lot of clusters on B. Don't be discouraged by the single B. They are baked into this approach. As long as you don't bet against any P, you are fine. Concerning having a stop/loss or abandoning a bad shoe, it's all up to you. You know you are still making a 50/50 decision. What IF the shoe turns around and gave you a 10 B run? Remember, don't be afraid to bet on a B shoe. That is the whole idea. Never misses all B opportunities short or long. Manage your $$$. If things are good quit with your stop win. If things are bad, either quit or grind until that fateful shoe. You know it will come. It's just a Banker shoe. Happens all the time.

 

lol that didn’t take long at all rlmao.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you craps. But I did mention the morons.

That is a pure example of why casino make their money, just by the ability of typing vegetables gambling with money, turn off the life support system and casino would cease to exist. Thank god for fools .

You and I can instantly see the merits of your posted method. So I pose two questions.
1) why is this a discipline problem with you , this method, even flat betting is no drama. You mentioned that you could not run this yourself, that was how I read your post from day or so ago. I may be mistaken in my interruption
2) What have you posted in discussion of this method in all its simplicity that would require a reply from that other poster to ask such inane questions?

I really would be embarrassed to continue breathing if I asked that questions from what I had read in your post. Lol.

I see merit in the progressive bet this method but as explained previously MY bias is flat betting for reason already stated.
To add another reason is as follows .
I really relate to your defensive player style you have posted on a number of occasions this thread. For mine , I look at a situation (using your example of bet banker never against player ) as if you win your first bet then in actual fact winning bet ,2,3,4,5,6,7 in a row becomes harder . As we know that runs of same vary in length and predictable lengths are not certain . With your 5 word method I would bet first unit at say $500 , first bet if win , then next bet would drop ,NOT increase units size to say $600 but reduce to $100 as that is my defensive take on that method. If I win the third bet ( being now 4 banks in total) still $100 , win then next bet is $200 if that wins then yes increase by $100 for the potential long run.

My theory is it has to lose as all bets must lose at some stage as I have always maintained, I’m always surprised by the double bet double bet fools I see that don’t take any profit as they are obviously just junking out on the trip. But defensively I agree lock up a profit in above example $600 min before increasing bet unit.
To continue, I would like to draw your attention to the statement you made about my reading the shoe in the now ( being in the present moment) and how you couldn’t possibly see how I would not be on tilt all the time. As a definitive answer I would have to use your own 5word method as a prime example ( it is something not to dissimilar to the selection criteria I use ) where at anyone time you are only betting on bank and bank is all. If it’s player you are not betting unless you just lost a non bank result when requiring a bank result . You can not be anymore in the present moment than that , agreed?
All the things you have spoken about is mechanical therefore no reason for tilt, no real discipline problem there either, yet people will still lose all their bankroll or ask inane questions about the simple obvious. Why ?
Math people say the casino wins because of the odds, house edge, variance etc that’s a yes but mostly because a lot of stupid people do really stupid things playing a really simple game of baccarat.
Full disclosure as posted I was the same. But you can learn if you want to and not be like the rest.
I enjoy your post craps. Although I’m not sure why you are not doing the 5 word method as opposed to the 8 x three pattern from your first posted example.
I also recommend you read the progression thread by jimske, very good thread , even though I flat bet that thread has insight and merit imho

As a final word , good reply to that poster by you , now you see why I say I don’t do other people homework for them. The same [removed, pay to advertise] same [removed, pay to advertise] retardants always asking never applying can’t wait for them to outsource their own breathing might free up the interverse somewhat. Oops me being the ahole , sozz , have one don’t be one , have one don’t be one. Shoot and I had been making so much progress of late. Lol

cheers

 

This works on rng stadium infinite hands as opposed to dealer dealt shoes of 8 decks just for the sheer volume of hands that can be churned as opposed to one shoe of 80 +\- hands in a 2 hour time frame. Rng 2 hours = 240 hands tie included approximately.24 hours about 60000 hands, The run of 16 ping pong (bpbpbp etc) is dealt with in about 7-8 minutes at $500 per unit = $4000 loss flat betting or you sit it out take a break come back later and hit it again. Very simple mechanics. Cheers

 

Dear Punkcity. You are the rare few that actually understand Baccarat at a different level and your arguments are constructive. But, you could not explain your successes in a way that ordinary people is able to fathom and accept. Going back to the Destiny thing maybe you have found the kind of approach that only works for you because you focus on quantity and not quality together with a solid discipline.
I already mentioned before that there are 5 Zillion ways of forming B,P and ties. Till today we haven't see a shoe where every hand is B. That explains that NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO FACE THE COMPLETE SITUATION THAT IS POSSIBLE according to Math. Say you play 5 shoes a day and 300 times a year. That is a lot of playing.Do this for 50 years. The total shoes played will be 15,000 shoes. Translate that with a 70 hand shoe. That will be 1 million and 50 thousand hands 1,050,000. This is where Baccarat is inductive. It's not anyway near complete. There will be a lot of approaches that will BEAT those million plus hands. Maybe your hard work has paid off and you are on track with the profitable side of your destiny. Should you had played everything reversed, you would have abandon your approach.
If I were to play like you, which I had tried, I might fail because the shoes that I encountered might be on the Waterloo side of things. Now that I had found my destiny that is producing profits, I would continue. That is why I never bash any types of play because I understand ODDS never changed. You just have to find the play that is going to work for you.I never sell or pitch my play to anybody. I am just telling people this is what I do and why I do it and see whether it will work for you.

Now to answer your question:
1) why is this a discipline problem with you , this method, even flat betting is no drama. You mentioned that you could not run this yourself, that was how I read your post from day or so ago. I may be mistaken in my interruption.

It is a discipline problem. A very big one. So big that maybe you can do it and nobody else's can. That is the reason why I post the method for you to comment. The deciding bet in this approach is how well you can take advantage of the runs. The 2nd Bank bet is also the catalyst and naturally it became the go to bet. You play the game with 'feel' reading the shoe. Therefore, winning this approach would require "feel" for those quality bets. If you flat bet throughout, you will see single B cancelling out B runs. The commision will get you. If you do this with P, the P runs which is a diminished version of the B runs will find it harder to level out the single P.
I like to play an approach where all I have to do is prepare everything by doing homework and take it to the house and use the gamblers edge options where I choose my table and choose my shoe( where to play) chart for the trigger ( when to play) bet selection form homework on imbalances ( what to play ) and Martingale ( MM with substantial probability ) and Hit & Run ( the move that makes Martingale work IMO ).
So why would I bust my brain deciding everything with SEE HOW IT GOES. I don't have to constantly fight with myself.Maybe you like those challenges. I might fail under pressure to win especially when I am behind.

2) What have you posted in discussion of this method in all its simplicity that would require a reply from that other poster to ask such inane questions?

Give that guy a break. Many people believe there is a HOLY GRAIL. A complete designed play that will work for anyway the shoe gives. People should find their own Nirvana. Never give up. Be open minded. Willing to experiment and most important, be teachable. Understand yourself how you would feel and tendencies when reacting to winning or losing.

 

Punkcity. Your explanation of making a higher bet and then regressed to guarantee a positive series is the FORTE move of so call self labeled professional gambler John Patrick in the 80's and 90's. There is a progression called NEW YORK, NYNY where the area code 212 is used as the starting few bets of the progression 212345. Win the first bet and you are a guaranteed winner for the rest of the progression. in short, this progression simply move the all important bet to the first bet. It good when the situation permits but what if you can't win the first bet consistently? You will be wasting many wins to cover for this doubled up first bet. Augmented volatility is the result.

 

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2) What have you posted in discussion of this method in all its simplicity that would require a reply from that other poster to ask such inane questions?

Give that guy a break. Many people believe there is a HOLY GRAIL. A complete designed play that will work for anyway the shoe gives. People should find their own Nirvana. Never give up. Be open minded. Willing to experiment and most important, be teachable. Understand yourself how you would feel and tendencies when reacting to winning or losing.[/QUOTE]


Fair statement , but I did mention I’m one dimensional and a recovering asshole, that is trying. As opposed to the poster( in my opinion) I was referring to in question 2.
You may think it’s hard for people to change I do not think it’s hard. It takes effort ,determination , honesty and the willingness to accept personal responsibility for one’s action or lack of action rather than some ( unknowingly/ due to lack of personal fortitude ) self depreciating excuses.

I fully agree on some of the other points you have raised and in due course I would like to discuss them with you. I’m a little time poor for next few hours but I will post again in about 9 hrs time.
Cheers

 

Craps not being flippant but this (above post) is quantity AND quality. I actually earned more than the thread posted but the end of the 7 month list is quality. Sorry the cut and paste but I hate rehashing. And it saves time. Lol.
At the end of the day to go home to one’s loved ones is the most winning feeling one can achieve.
As I’ve posted elsewhere previously.
The pressure one place on one’s self to always return a consistent profit from every hand contested, on every shoe played every time you play a session ( hours, day,days) is the REAL and perhaps only reason one tilt, lose discipline.
To be able to detach from the emotional linkages is a good start to success.

I really agree with you there are many ways ( methods) to profit each are equally viable as the other. I have posted that this forum many times. What works for bob may not work for Tina , ( sozz bob , sozz Tina oh and lol zenking your just a loser regardless lol)
As I have posted previously I too am somewhat still emotionally invested with the actual $$$$ amount that is in the bottom left hand of the screen on stadium machine here in skippy town. The bet denomination is presented as a chip value when you bet but the balance is in $$$ currency now you drop $8000 etc in$$$$ . One way that I use to combat that potential tilt trigger?
I cover it up by putting phone on it , I record the win or loss in my day work book as -1 unit or-7 etc or +1 unit or +4 etc . I’m keeping track of my procedure and staying away from tilt.
In other words as you quite correctly stated this thread do what works for you rather than what don’t work for you. cheers

 

Yes this is a preamble to the next couple of quote posts it’s a context thing. Cheers

 

This game presented would have had me committed years ago (major tilt potential) and the notion of slashing the wrist was a very real and ever present threat to My own being.
Seriously honestly posting.
I have come through the other side due to a lot of hard work, hence my asshole tendency to some posters this forum, eh give a rats arse to them. Oops slipped again. Shoot.
As you can read in above quote I do walk the thought processes through. Craps it is achievable with effort that which you are attempting to do. For a math oriented person you are quite aware and open minded re you understand of baccarat. The next quote post is the very next game on the same day after a break. Cheers

 

Ok this was same day recovery and as posted that thread previously some days I actually did go home with no profit no problem no angst come back next time and get most /some/ part of previous loss back or not. Sometimes it took a couple of days sometimes the very next session as per this post above.
Once again the walkthrough was explained. Cheers

 

Ok this is the last quote post
The reference is I don’t like retyping but it serves a reference point in the discussion at hand.
The progressive bet would have personally done me in , had I a team I call the bet they bet the amount required marty fibo ladder etc I would have no attachment to building the bet on the screen I possibly use a lower denom to achieve the highest win rate per stadium max bet limit, I would also utilise a number of terminals etc but the black swan would arrive eventually that’s a given.
But I don’t, I have just me far easier to supervise. This is my playing field and I adjusted to the parameters, some people say never play 1:2price banker. Well that’s all we have here adapt or don’t play make up all the excuses or work out what will work for YOU.
In the above quote I mentioned why win $10 from a Marty with the risk of ruin when I can bet $500 ? Really , win one hand and leave if needed. ?
Enjoy enough for now. Cheers

 

Punkcity, Based on the records that you presented above, you had beaten the game! You did it with no real probability. You played reading the shoe according to the Main trend and all the derived trends. Aren't the mass players doing what you are doing?Where is the difference? What actually sets you apart?

I know in Europe, there is a lady who approaches the game very similar to yours. She uses a 10 unit bankroll Flat Betting. How things go as the hands unfold sets the prelude for her to quit even with few units either way. Her motto is 'NEVER LOSE BIG MONEY" She actually employs an assistant to constantly check on her progress reminding her how many hands in a row she had won or lost etc.
Her playing strategy is simple . She calls it the FORK TREND. Single followed by Runs of the other side meaning one side weak and one side strong.
B P B P B
B B B
B
Just this method of play. She would feel her way meaning not necessarily follow definitely any set of rules.
I like it for the defensive part where she only lose once when there is no seconds. She goes to the casinos 6 times a week and average 1+ units a day in the long run.

 

Her unit in Euro/$ ?Thats the question.

 

A unit is a unit amount is irrelevant.

 

Excellent statement. Cheers

 

Craps this is another answer to you question.
The problem with most people is initially when they develop a method or learn a style the amount of money is the determination of weather that person persues the style or give it up in search of another more ( superficial) attractive style. This forum is littered with such people that change the methods more time in one month than their underwear.
To make a consistent profit of 1 units 5 days per week x 48 weeks per year ( need a holiday) is 240 units profit per year. Most people think that’s nothing.
No big picture viewing.
One unit at $100x 240 =?
One unit at $10 x 240=?
One unit at $500x you get the picture.
In order to get one unit profit every day is not as hard as you think. But in dollar terms because you ( generically speaking) have lost money in the past, this one unit is NOTHING , look at how much money I have lost in the past, this one unit Guaranteed , won’t immediately pay me back , oh I have lost so much money, oh this one unit profit is no good . I’m not going to use it I’m going back to something else , some new flash thing that caught my eye on another thread , I have to get all my money back now . This is the baggage subconscious shit running through most people head , I read posts this forum and mostly that’s what I see when people ask inane questions ( not aimed at you craps) . They would rather lose more than one unit a day then knuckle down and thrash something out that suits them , suits their character, if they can realise their character is defective in certain areas then work on repairing that defective traits they will succeed.
By saying you can’t do something because this is the way you are , is giving up and guess what you will remain that way you are. You will remain unable to realise the value of 1 cent. In the stock market a rise or fall of a price by 1 cent is huge. The same principle with one unit.
If you get a unit a day at $10 x 5 days x 4 weeks =$200 this is bankroll money.
I have posted previous that money derived from your method is not money that you use initially to buy other things, you need milk don’t use part profit of you bankroll USE your private money. You have to separate the emotions, yes it’s $200 or so dollars for the first month, you treat it differently .
It’s not $200!return and now only a gazillion dollars to go before I’m even.
If using whatever it is consistently for a month nets you at $10 unit close to $200 be proud, do it again next month then increase your unit value to say $15 for month 3.
Each month you should look at your UNIT return , did I make 50 units? + or - X amount of unit . The dollar value will look after itself as previously posted by me this forum. Cheers

 

Answer , mostly what has been posted this thread.
Flat betting
Know thy self
Discipline
Consistent method
Non emotional attitude
Honestly knowing when it’s not working and taking a break ( not imposing self will on the actual results that are unfolding) you are winning or not , simple .

Re read the thread thus far. Put aside one’s own preconceived ideas, perhaps do as mentioned by the broken hand guy on gizmos random book thread page 2.

You can all do this . It’s not rocket science cross the t s and dot the i s and apply yourself.
As posted people want it to be difficult before they believe it can work.
Not doing anymore homework, re read the thread then we can continue the discussion. Cheers

 

Thanks but to be clear if one lost the first bet at flat bet one unit then won then lost , lost and lost again, I would still stay at the flat bet $500 unit until I was even then win a full unit profit then I would drop the unit value to $100 then yes would employ you above quote nyny in the example given this thread.
Cheers