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Baccarat OK FESS UP!!!!

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Mar 10, 2021.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Hope you cats will answer this question honest. When you cats buck up against the baccarats do you know, with certainty that yer gonna win, or do you merely hope that you might win. And when I talk about winnings it with understanding that it's longs term cuz everyone gonna face losing session, losing week, etc. Only the fantasy land livin winds bag, nuts job, knows it all, knows nothing old codger and system seller claim to never have to face any adversities at the table, hey hey.
     
  2. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Bit of a “ how long is a piece of string?” sort of question. Apart from a recreational player/ Friday night out persons that’s just doing a one off , my humble opinion is the rest DO believe whatever it is they are doing is “the holy grail “ and they do aim to win long term.

    I would “Assume “ most fall by the wayside due to lack of funds, or loss of confidence in whatever it was they were using to get the “certain “ win.

    Ultimately a huge percentage of players would believe they are correct, bet selection, m m , etc. as the reason they participated in the basketball game in the first place.

    Those for whatever reason that no longer play would be good to ask their opinion on that question of this thread.

    Do they still believe they can win long term even though at the moment they are not playing.

    I posted previously about a few friends that work out west in the mines, they come back into town every few months and play baccarat. The common theme they presented was that they have thought up the “winner “ method “this time” .

    they obviously always think they will prevail even though they have not up until this day.

    Myself I truly believe I will win , I have the presence of mind to know I will win , I expect I will win and I do . I’m incredibly lucky it seems.

    When I lose on the rare occasion I’m unlucky I bounce back next time knowing I will be lucky again as per usual and win.
    Cheers
     
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  3. Bombus

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    yep. anyone who claims to never take a backward step is not being honest. straight up losing is part of the game, it happens.

    setting loss limits before straight up losing is also part of the game. it should be part of the strategy, and should at times but not always protect the bankroll form larger draw downs and longer recovery periods.

    yes I lose money all the time, but I liken my strategy to someone walking up a hill continuously playing with a yoyo. it not matters how many times the yoyo goes up & down, because the hill is being climbed regardless.
     
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  4. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Epic

    Must be the quote of the century.
    Cheers
     
  5. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    This is where I discover Math really do matters. Losing is actually a long shot for me not because my bet selection is good. It's because the Math side of things does not allow it. Winning small number of units couple with Hit & Run? How many times can Bad Luck ruined it? This is all I am capable of achieving. Unless you guys are full of BS, I kept scratching my head how you guys win.
     
  6. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    So
    That’s a yes vote from you craps that you believe / know for certain that you are going to win the first bet/ every bet you wager on baccarat?

    That’s the question of the thread .

    The question was not whether you believe others are capable or not in what they do or don’t do, nor how they go about doing it, nor does it ask for your opinion on other posters truthfulness or not.

    There are plenty of threads available for you to continue to post your personal opinion in reference to other people and there methods and as per usual I will enjoy your posts in the relevant threads . You just have so much to offer craps and I hope one day you give up your day job and live your dream.
    Cheers
     
  7. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    What he's talking about here is "long term." That may mean different things to different players. There are people that have lost so much in the past that it is a moot question because they will likely never get into the Black.

    Early on when I first began and for many years I didn't know if I could win this game long term if I kept on playing. Losing and winning back and forth I kept on playing. Truthfully I am not sure if I was ahead or not. A good likelihood that I was not ahead even though the losses were small. I just never kept an accurate book at the beginning and it's very easy to lie to yourself, make excuses, forget losses, etc.

    But my answer is yes. Ever since I began keeping better (not perfect) records I can honestly say with certainty that I do and will continue to profit. Honestly, it doesn't matter what system or strategy I play any more. I know a bunch and can win with any one of them. And usually every session or visit. But . . . every time I go I'm still nervous that I may lose! LOL Still trying to get better.
     
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  9. Craps

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    Win the first bet is definitely a NO. Who can ever say that? Win one from the first five is a big YES but shit do happens out of the blue. There is no skill on my part. Anyone can and achieved the same.
     
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  10. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    [Sheesh, Craps, see above what he is asking. LONG TERM
     
  11. Craps

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    So why is he asking something with uncertainty with a certain answer? Does anybody ever FESS UP truthfully?
     
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  12. Nathan Detroit

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    Long term from here to eternity ?
     
  13. Punkcity

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    My edit

    I took this thread statement to have the important question as the edit above.

    I maybe wrong but I ( and soxfan can correct me if needs be ) I read this as when you make a decision to bet are you certain that the bet you are currently making, be it the first ( as I assume ) or zillionth is going to win or are you just hoping it will win.

    There is a difference imho and to me the difference is I’m not going to bet if I have a fraction of a doubt in my mind even if what I’m doing to arrive at my decision making process tells me it is x AND I have a doubt for what ever reason then I don’t bet.

    If I’m wrong and the bet I passed on / no bet , did actually win then I’m not bothered with not winning an actual unit profit. But if I was right not to bet and it lost then I saved a unit ( I flat bet only) .
    The weight of the decision saved me a make up / catch up bet outweighs the non bet no lose situation. I can be zero units down as opposed to one unit etc.

    So in this tread question I will bet when for whatever reason I use I am CERTAIN I will win using whatever it is I do.

    Yes I understand certain vs uncertainty and it’s an unqualified statement to many of you but I’m not you and I only have to qualify to myself.

    Therefore you bet when you believe you have the highest strike rate as opposed to just throwing a line in the water to see if something bites regardless of whatever betting m m strategy you use.
    Cheers
     
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  14. Jimske

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    I guess soxfan going to have to clarify. I am not reading it this way at all.

    Even in BJ when we know we have an advantage we know not what the next bet going to be win or lose. So we extrapolate and say we will win x % every time we make a bet win or lose that particular bet.
     
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  15. soxfan

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    The whole thing is their minds set. Most cats got the minds set of the recreational player and that minds set is the scared mindset cuz these cats ain't confident that they can win well and regular. Serious cats what buck up against the proposition for their income HAVE TO believe they can win in the longs run, hey hey.
     
  16. Jimske

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    I'm pretty sure there's lots of people who have the mindset and belief that they can win. But they lose. And they keep on going back thinking that they're going to recoup and then still lose.

    There are very few people who profit from gambling over their lifetime in any significant way but I'm pretty sure that some of them who do are also recreational players.

    My BJ mentor warned me from the beginning. "90% of good card counters go broke."
     

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