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Roulette Why is the average Interval 7.3 spins in relation to a single number becoming a Repeater ?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rheti, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Again sorry, but it's like in red/black betting on any 2 columns.
    Known is to follow the opposite to the sequence for 13 spins.
    So waiting x spins like wait 4; there are many wins. Like your wait till 7.
     
  2. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    7th =+18
    8th =+28
    9th =+10
    10th =+16 or -92 a smaller loss than the way you show
     
  3. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Straight of loss -92.
    Round 18 -62
    round 19 +8
    upload_2021-8-21_10-16-6.png
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  4. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    The smaller loss of -92
    The double the unit got -62
    Same unit as not new high +8
    upload_2021-8-21_10-20-40.png
    New high, back to unit of 1. New high
    upload_2021-8-21_10-21-50.png
     
  5. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Now should one +1 the unit on a loss. It's not unknown for the 2nd 10 spins to not repeat, but the repeat in spins 11-20 comes from spins 1-10. Would you +1 the unit for a 3rd time?
    Or betert to play units of 1 only?

    Look forward to your reply
     
  6. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Perfect, 30 spins and new high.
    upload_2021-8-21_10-32-10.png

    As Sergio would say, thrown balls
    upload_2021-8-21_10-33-14.png

    Rheti, this average for repeats, seems to mean nothing too you.

    1-3-5=9

    Here we see the 30 spins has only 6 repeats, -3 repeats to the average.

    30 spins can also show as +3, sometimes.


    So if the actual stream was +3, would winning be easier?

    What would Turbo be at?
    The #5 hit for a 2nd time and follwed straight away for a 3rd time and now still waiting. Possibly betting 5#'s

    Too some 5 #’s is too many, who do they drop and why? This forums top GLOAT would say you need Turbo's time machine.
     
  7. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    The repeat average of 1-3-5-7 for 40 spins =16
    upload_2021-8-21_10-50-52.png
    Still minus 3 for repeats.
    New high

    For 60 spins the usual average is 30 repeats.
    Back after 20 spins
    upload_2021-8-21_10-52-28.png
     

  8. Rheti

    Rheti Active Member

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    your bets total 92 units/// mine 204 units


    1 35 135 4725
    2 33 242 7986
    3 30 310 9300
    4 26 372 9672
    5 21 462 9702
    6 15 474 7110
    7 8 468 3744
    8 28 448 12544
    9 10 420 4200
    10 16 337 5392
    >10 -92 815 -74980
    total 4483 -605
    3668
    81,82

    a loss of -/- 605 units
     
  9. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    60 spins
    upload_2021-8-21_10-58-57.png
    A 10 spin loss, but still in profit.
    upload_2021-8-21_10-59-46.png
    Only 6 of the starting 37 to hit. So, 31 have hit once, 29 have repeated, -1 for repeats.
    Rheti, its already had 2, 10 spin losses.
     
  10. Rheti

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    mine

    35 4725
    33 7986
    30 9300
    26 9672
    21 9702
    15 7110
    37 17316
    49 21952
    76 31920
    156 52572
    -204 -166260
    4483 5995
    3668
    81,82

    a win of 5995 units
     
  11. Rheti

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    the weighted average after 5 months is 7.3 spins
    My theory is that 8 to 10 are coming more frequently

    in % in %
    actual theor
    1 3,0 2,7
    2 5,4 5,3
    3 6,9 7,5
    4 8,3 9,1
    5 10,3 10,2
    6 10,6 10,6
    7 10,4 10,3
    8 10,0 9,6
    9 9,4 8,5
    10 7,5 7,1
    81,8 80,8
     
  12. Rheti

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    Reached 4620 sessions or roughly 40.000 of spins live from Wiesbaden. 180 days


    Via the theoretical Probability approach, I calculated the average of single numbers becoming a repeater.

    No surprise it's 7.3 spins.
    betting 206 units

    7 to 10 --- 12.3 k profit
    8 to 10 ---- 18.4 k
    9 to 10----- 18.2 k

    1 to 10------ 7.8 k

    theoretical approach:



    1 2,7
    2 5,3
    3 7,5
    4 9,1
    5 10,2
    6 10,6
    7 10,3
    8 9,6
    9 8,5
    10 7,1
    11 5,7
    12 4,4
    13 3,2
    14 2,2
    15 1,5
    16 0,9
    17 0,6
    18 0,3
    19 0,2
    20 0,1
    21 0,0
    22 0,0
    23 0,0

    99,99
     
  13. nevk

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    hi,
    I tested with set of spins that I have and unfortunately it is losing with given progression if I chose to play 1 to 10 spins. There will be sessions that don't seem to recover from original loss.
    You may try the attached file to test and verify yourselves(I got a net (-773) loss for 2064 spins)
    Win sessions :197, lose sessions :48 out of total 245 sessions.
     

    Attached Files:

  14. Rheti

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    Spins are from a Live casino ?
     

  15. nevk

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    They are from dublinbet(Evolution studio table). These are not from RNG.

    With the same spins, what can work is following modification(for playing 1 to 10 spins):
    • wait for a virtual loss(we should have loss in 10 sequential spins, then we have a trigger to bet)
    • Start bet with original progression(1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,5,10). If it wins, then reset the session.
    • If we have loss here(now real loss), then wait for another virtual loss
    • this time we start bets with increase in progression at every step by +3(4,4,4,4,4,4,6,7,9,14).
    With above modification, you have following results on the give file:
    Win count:42, lose Count: 6 out of 48 qualified sessions(virtual losses)
    Net profit is: 3103 on a original bank of 1000 units for 2064 spins.
    A profit of 1.5 unit per spin is worth for our time spent.

    I really believe the key here is waiting for the virtual loss!!!- otherwise we will lose our bank roll in no time.

    Hope it helps.
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2021
  16. nevk

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    A short example session is as follows(with given bank of 400 units):

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    Spin:1 number:23
    {23=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:2 number:0
    Spin:3 number:27
    Spin:4 number:1
    Spin:5 number:22
    Spin:6 number:2
    Spin:7 number:29
    Spin:8 number:24
    Spin:9 number:21
    Spin:10 number:26
    Spin:11 number:36
    Spin:12 number:3
    Spin:13 number:8
    Spin:14 number:14
    Spin:15 number:6
    Spin:16 number:31
    Spin:17 number:6
    Spin:18 number:27
    {27=1}, session qualified, ****VIRTUAL LOSS*****
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:19 number:5
    LOSE, unit:1 number:5
    Balance is:399
    {27=1, 5=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:20 number:32
    LOSE, unit:1 number:32
    Balance is:397
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:21 number:1
    LOSE, unit:1 number:1
    Balance is:394
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:22 number:8
    LOSE, unit:1 number:8
    Balance is:390
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:23 number:29
    LOSE, unit:1 number:29
    Balance is:385
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:24 number:20
    LOSE, unit:1 number:20
    Balance is:379
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1, 20=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:25 number:10
    LOSE, unit:2 number:10
    Balance is:365
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1, 20=1, 10=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:26 number:19
    LOSE, unit:3 number:19
    Balance is:341
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1, 20=1, 10=1, 19=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:27 number:10
    WIN, unit:3 number:10
    Balance is:476
    §§§§§§§ NEW HIGH §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§: 476

    Now wait for another ****virtual loss*****
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:28 number:18
    {18=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:29 number:2
    Spin:30 number:31
    Spin:31 number:20
    Spin:32 number:21
    Spin:33 number:2
    Spin:34 number:30
    {30=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:35 number:15
    Spin:36 number:12
    Spin:37 number:29
    Spin:38 number:34
    Spin:39 number:28
    Spin:40 number:13
    Spin:41 number:24
    Spin:42 number:2
    Spin:43 number:2
    Spin:44 number:4
    {4=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:45 number:8
    Spin:46 number:4
    Spin:47 number:28
    {28=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:48 number:36
    Spin:49 number:30
    Spin:50 number:5
    Spin:51 number:27
    Spin:52 number:6
    Spin:53 number:34
    Spin:54 number:12
    Spin:55 number:22
    Spin:56 number:16
    Spin:57 number:21
    Spin:58 number:12
    Spin:59 number:34
    {34=1}, session qualified, ****VIRTUAL LOSS*****
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:60 number:24
    LOSE, unit:1 number:24
    Balance is:475
    {34=1, 24=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:61 number:12
    LOSE, unit:1 number:12
    Balance is:473
    {34=1, 24=1, 12=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:62 number:1
    LOSE, unit:1 number:1
    Balance is:470
    {34=1, 24=1, 12=1, 1=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:63 number:1
    WIN, unit:1 number:1
    Balance is:502
    §§§§§§§ NEW HIGH §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§: 502
    -------------------------------
     
  17. Rheti

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    Tested the first 100 sessions

    actual Probability 72%
    theory=======81%

    theoretical average 7.3 spins

    here the first 100 sessions 8.4

    Bad-bad..... Rng I guess
     
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    ------------------
    Spin:1 number:23
    {23=1}
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    Spin:2 number:0
    Spin:3 number:27
    Spin:4 number:1
    Spin:5 number:22
    Spin:6 number:2
    Spin:7 number:29
    Spin:8 number:24
    Spin:9 number:21
    Spin:10 number:26
    Spin:11 number:36
    Spin:12 number:3
    Spin:13 number:8
    Spin:14 number:14
    Spin:15 number:6--------------------------
    Spin:16 number:31
    Spin:17 number:6-------------------------- repeater
     
  19. Rheti

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    you have to modify y'r program
     
  20. nevk

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    yes, we have to be ready to face any situation(you may have heard about rumors of different ways that online platforms employ to discourage system players), so nothing is guaranteed to win..
    Following the virtual loss in combination with strict stop loss(and manageable progression) is the way to win with this method.
     

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