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Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Lungyeh, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The work I was doing back then was not taking LY's money and losing it like some deliberate degenerate gambler. It allowed me to make progress on using trends and patterns strategically. Although I was on to the final solution, I had not yet gained full control of the use of the effectiveness states. Living on Social Security as my only form of income meant that it would take me about 6 months to save up a few hundred dollars to try again. I was not given the full $5,500 all at once. So when I got to the casino I played out of fear and used it in small amounts attempting to flat bet my way ahead. I was whittled down instead. I was of a mindset to flat bet only during that entire period, even though LY had always suggested an attacking price of 20 times my base value, or flat value level. He was ahead of me in learning. I tried to suggest this to LY, that I played out of fear. But he was not interested in all that. So LY, with his money saved me about five to ten years of getting this step wrong. I was able to make progress on RR. It was all private but I was still embarrassed for having failed. LY was a class act and kept my failure all to himself. I kept it quite so that others would not hound him for money. He wasn't talking so I wasn't.

    I was about to give up altogether when someone here posted a video about gambling like a stock trader. It was from this that I made a structural change to the RR methods. I used it for a while and it started to show actual promise. It even got better when I went back to EC bets only. So I took on a motivated student for two months. I have all the correspondence with that student. It was done all in live email chats, two hours per day for 60 days straight. I took a know-very-little Roulette player to a point of understanding and then tested him for another 30 days to see how well he could do using my rigid rules for session results. He turned out to have obliterated all known capacity for gambling using a less than perfect 50 / 50 even chance game. He reached a long term ability to get 2 to 1 return rate where 1 to 1 was considered impossible. That's including all lost sessions too. Not only had I figured it out for myself I had proved that another person could learn it if I coached them step by step.

    So I waited a year and then wrote the Reading Randomness thread. That was two years ago in July. It still stands there as an example of what it takes to learn how to beat a casino consistently after learning a new skill. It is based on LY's 20 times the base value and bet big when you are doing well. I play Roulette at tables that allow a $5 smallest bet on an outside bet location. When I bet the big bet it is from $90 to $100, around 20 times that base value bet. The software I created to teach the first student with is shared here at these forums for free use. It is given so that nobody need lose a thin dime while they prove too themselves that they have or have not learned the skills. LY was a great help to me. If I knew then what I know now I would have used the 20 times the base value step. At my prices of $90 per bet all that is needed for the 7/3 stop points is $630. Say $700 for a session if strictly applying the stop points. Having three times that amount is all that is needed to make a steady living from a rigid set of stop points. Several people have reached the 2 to 1 level using RR. Some day all this will be known for what it is. Someone will make a huge killing and the vail will be lifted. Casinos will start to make changes caused by the RR skill being used. It will be like when "Beat the Dealer" was released in print back in the early 60's by Ed Thorp.

    Until that happens the mathZombies will walk the face of the earth without restriction. I would like to live long enough for them to be shown for what they are worth. They steer people away from RR. That's good too. I will use RR myself once this new Delta variant of Covid-19 runs its course. I'm thinking I will have to get this new level of C-19 and see how a triple vaccinated 70 something person does on it. I was almost all ready to get back out there. It looks really bad for those that won't vaccinate. It's the perfect bio-weapon to thin the herd of its weakest and most costly elderly. It's perfect for extending the life of any socialist based economy. Cut the costs and utopia gets a few more years. hahahah! embrace the horror.
     
  2. judge

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    Lungyeh,

    It is great to have you back. I've missed your writings and the common sense you bring to baccarat. Thank you sir.
     
  3. Jimske

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    How come you couldn't do all this virtually?
     
  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Really?

    When you have been around gambling for well over a decade, you learn, you observe, it takes all sorts or justifications and denials.
    Then you discover gambling forums, you realise, some people are too far gone

    Please don't mention the final solution, "newlungs" might start salivating.

    It is more difficult to win with so called scared money, been there myself, spoken to many fellow players who share the same sentiment, to afraid to lose, simply messes up your game.

    Out of embarrassment perhaps? He didn't really keep it to himself, he must of gone crying to Glenda, whom I'm sure would have liked to had a sniff of the $5k :D
     
  5. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    You don't even play, how many years you been at this, and your still doing kitchen table testing while muttering "hey hey" like badly afflicted autistic who just can't grasp the irony of calling others retards, comical and sad
     
  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    The mentally afflicted maple leaf is still in kitchen table testing mode, if he had any money, was a winner, he wouldn't be living in a a Toronto flat and would nip across the border to win at Mo Sun, alas he is stone cold broke, however you did say that you thought he (and Glenn) were long term winners over at betselction, just goes to highlight how naive you are and how poor your judgement is.

    Glenn has a fairly long rap sheet for passing dud cheques, amongst other things..
     
  7. Lungyeh

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    Thank you for your kind words. Life is worth living, kind sir. We do our best before we meet our Maker.
     

  8. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Hopefully very soon
     
  9. Lungyeh

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    As a private investor having made lots of money investing in people and also having lost lots of money investing in people, I have made mistakes throughout my life. But I dont get bogged down by these poor judgements. Its part of life.

    I also tend to give people a chance to not pre-judge them on their historical past. Let he who has not sinned, cast the first stone. I dont feel schadenfreude about people’s miseries. I wish Giz will find the strength to make a comeback. Actually Giz doesnt have to respond to any provocation by anybody who are probably envious of the chance he got.

    Glen? He was very civil with me. We exchanged views on how he could make betselection better and try to accommodate trash talking by some. Were you banned? Anyways…I also participated in his donation drive for poor children in the US. I gave I cant remember 2k or 2.5k. As an accused CCP apologist, it is ironic that while I donated to American poor, I have never ever donated to any organisations in China. Please dont feel smug about running down people all over the place. God dont need a co-judge. Live a life at peace with yourself.

    Soxfan was amongst a few I talked to about bringing to Asia, Singapore or Malaysia specifically for the profit share program. It was not finalised as questions were asked along the way which was mutually unsatisfying.

    Sigh! Another distraction. I was going to go on with my articles about Baccarat being the best business. Will finish my Korean drama series first…
     
  10. gizmotron

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    Do you mean with online gambling. I tried. They push way faster than a live table. It takes time to fill out the chart, to think about the changes, and to place the bets. And I don't trust any RNG single player games on line. They can be programmed to cheat. I'm trained as to the natural time it takes at a busy Roulette table with many players, lots of chips to drag off, and the time it takes to pay off winners. I can't play at a live casino online that has real players that can check the actual spins. If I could, from here in the USA then I would. I know that Germany and Great Britton have such casinos. I've never been able to play at them. Perhaps that has changed. That would be nice.
     
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    I get the reference to Hitler and WWII.
     
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    This is still the best thread regarding targeting the good spots in randomness. It talks strategy of building a bankroll from near nothing. It focuses on strategy, self confidence, awareness, and following a proper business plan. And it has the attention of most of the readers here. It even has people trying to put their dogs on a chain. My favorite part of all is that most of the important stuff is here without too much interruption. It can't be wrecked. So people can discuss it and stay on point if they want to. What fascinates me the most is what will people do with it. It's an actual way to start a new living. It just takes discipline and experience. What is that line? "I can tell you, but I can't understand it for you."
     
  13. Lungyeh

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    DARE TO WIN, SCARED TO LOSE.

    One of the MM principles is to ‘Dare to win and scared to lose’. Even if you do not follow the bet amounts recommended when winning ie 2 1 2 2 2 3 3 4 … you should be at least be flat betting when you are winning.

    For example 2 1 2 2 2 2 2…..

    Instead of Dare to win, some players become Scared to win. Instead their bet amounts are gradually reduced..
    2, 1, 0.75, 0.5, 0.25, 0, 0

    When losing, be scared to lose. There are various guidelines here to suggest how the reduction should take place. If you have won 4 or more times, you reduce the bet amount to 0.5 HPB if you have won less than 4 times, the bet amount should be reduced substantially to UB size even.

    Instead, some becomes braver after a loss and swear on their life the negative Martingale works. If it works fine, you recoup faster. If it fails to work as in a Shar Chi Phase (Killing Phase), the bankroll can be decimated so fast before you realised what has happened.

    Let me illustrate. Lets say you have been flat betting $100 and you have made 5 wins totalling $500 so far. You make your next bet again, at 100 and lost. So now you are up only 400. You increase your bet to 150. You lose again. Now your net win is only 250. You bet 250 next and you lose again. Now you are even. You won 5 times and only need to lose 3 times. Your Chimp is now out of control. If you bet 300 next and lose you are then down 300.

    As surely as the sun will rise tomorrow, there will always be phases where you are losing. It is during this phase, that you need to protect your bankroll. Winnings over 5 hands are all gone in 3.
    Say you lost the 100 bet and now uou are up only 400. Because you have won more than 4 times, you may reduce your next bet to 50 or even 10. This can still allow you to continue on a winning streak if indeed you are in a Hot Phase. Say you decide to bet 50. You lose again. Net win is now 350. Now you are supposed to reduce bet size to 10. You lose again. Net win is now 340. At this stage you have lost 3 times in a row. You are required to stop for at least 30-60 minutes to reset.

    As in any business, preservation of capital in adverse circumstances takes precedence. Each time and every time.

    Risk taking on a more aggressive manner, as in ALL businesses, takes place during good times. When you are in a Hot Phase and winning, dare to win.

    Just giving you an analogy with real business world and situations.
     
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    There it is. It's all here. This actual post says it all. That's from a guy that has the guts and wherewithal to back it all up. You heard it from me, a confirmed crazy person with no money, and a person that has more than enough disposable income to prove it all. You can target the best times to place higher and lower bets. The mathZombies say that this is impossible. Perhaps they are wrong?

    One of the definitions of a genius is a person that discovers something first that has always been true. So what does it imply if math experts have always been wrong and their assumptions have always been not true? They are no longer geniuses I guess.
     

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    Stop loss/win ain't make no sense. If you got a winnnings style then that style is good for so many unit per shoe, period. So resolve and stick to the schedule, buck up against so many shoe per day and play a set number of day per week and let the profits come to you, hey hey.
     
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    • Violation of Rule #1: Be Respectful
    Query, is the limey retard still skwakin cuz I can't hear him. Is the retard still regaling the forum with the tall tale about how casino rig every shoe on every table in whole joint just to put the kibosh on his style of play? Perhaps he working on his book, baccarats 101 for the wanker and tosser, hey hey!!!!
     
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    So time limit determines your winnings or losses. Good enough.
     
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    I repeat what I said. There are many ways to beat the game. The Maths Zombies claim its not beatable with the HE. At best a slightly negative expectation game. What do I risk for this slight negative expectations (as stated in the earlier stages of this thread, so I will briefly rehash it here)

    bet any amount you want (100 then 1000 or whatever), dont bet if you dont want, bet anytime you want (3am or 3pm), facilities provided.

    You want a positive expectation game and the above privileges? Get real. And any game that gives you such things will draw in all the maths zombies the game will be abandoned in no time.

    So, I dont know. But I believe we have to make our own rules to guide our own judgements to make up for the HE. Hand on my heart, I believe its in the money management. Whatever your bet selection method. Let’s take the case of Soxfan. He has not alluded to his exact winning methods but his last post did suggest that he is a disciplinarian when it comes to time management which is an important part of money management. The rest of his methodology is covered in the hey, heys, the cashews and the guiness although there is less talk of guiness these days. Lmao.

    There is space for those who have found their own methodologies to win. If what is espoused here is so repulsive to draw expletives from you, M and B, just start your own thread. Contribute here for discussion without the need to demonstrate your lack of couth.

    Punkcity did mention that the rules and regulations espoused were too theoretical and therefore difficult to enforce. The difficulty is true but I think some of it is a natural for some people (keeping strictly to time for eg) and where it is not, then we need to learn to do it. Discipline is a key to success in many endeavours.

    Discuss more later…
     
  19. Junket King

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    Jesus Wept when does the nativity ever end? Where is the evidence Glenda who is an habitual liar as well as having a criminal record as long as your arm (details are available on this forum), where is the actual proof the $2k went to some children's funds and not into the cash box at the Baccarat table? His word was proof? LOL, he lies through his teeth, did you see any receipt, no I didn't think so, no wonder he sort of gave you a free pass on your Covid thread at Bet Selection, this relevation kind of explains things, I did wonder why Glenda let a lot of things slide seeing he claims to be such a patriot, unbelievable.

    So that's about $8000 you have been rinsed by two strangers from gambling forums, gambling forums of all places haha, you couldn't make this up, and chinese people aren't gullible LOL, gambling forums = losers, desperate people, scammers LOL.

    Words literally fail me, if you wanted to donate to kids, why not find a legitimate charity, a charity close to home even, Oxfam, whatever, instead you choose Glen Lawerance convicted criminal and the biggest narcissist active on the forums at the moment.

    "the cashews and the guiness although there is less talk of guiness these days. Lmao."
    Either he has had a health scare or stone cold broke, most probably BOTH
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I'm in stitches :D:D:D
     
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