Roulette Why is the average Interval 7.3 spins in relation to a single number becoming a Repeater ?

And indeed they did smash Leicester!
Top of the league. Were you there?

I'm thinking of a simple system in which we wait for 18 numbers then bet according to weather the repeats are higher or lower than expected. Maybe on a +1, -1 progression. But we would have to put our bets on quick.

 

Naughty, how do you play these sequence of numbers with KTF?
I got -56 units after 61 spins. Surprisingly never even once it turned positive..!

22
25
5
36
16
32
24
17
25
8
29
24
23
5
5
1
32
19
25
23
36
20
28
10
32
31
10
32
24
31
15
31
15
20
8
33
33
21
0
34
27
7
15
22
30
21
19
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25
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34
30
10
6
28
20
11
10
17
10
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Hi Rheti

Yes, never got a positive at 61 spins

In the topic of KTF, a bright member said take 1st profit.

So, they’d have reset +8. There’s your positive.

Now I have also said it’s a game of watch, just like GUT is a watch method.

Yes, it can make 50 units and does often. But you should know how many spins any non-hit could take to hit?

I’ve said in many postings that non-hits have an average to hit and a maximum to hit.

The KTF topic started in 2016 and members should be able to see it is better to bet for a non-hit with a prog of choice. Each individual non-hit has an average to hit.

So, again here they are, the average to hit.

Up to the 19th non-hit, they have an average to hit in 2 spins.

Up to the 26th non-hit, they have an average to hit in 3 spins.

Up to the 30th non-hit, they have an average to hit in 4 spins.

Have you looked at the image of countback some posts back and see where the last 20 spins have positions marked red.?

Look at spin 26, it shows 21st non-hit has hit. It doesn’t mean 21 of the starting 37 have hit. It means 17 of the starting 37 have hit.

Spin 27 has you betting 20 of the starting 37.

If spin 26 has only 17 of the starting 37 hit, it means the average to hit is still 2 spins. Here you have an option of wait the average to hit and then commence to bet or bet straight off.

What also could help you? If you look at the 9-7-5-3=24; it would mean spin 30 could have 21 of the starting 37 hit.


What do you see by looking at countback’s positions for each non-hit and if 9-7-5-3=24, then repeats are 1-3-5-7=16 at 40 spins?

You can see the 9 repeats have already shown. That’d be 1-3-5

Remember the average to hit? Still 2 spins. You have options start or wait.

I’ll curve fit some more for this forum’s top GLOAT, the Dr Sir anyone.


If you waited, you’d bet for 3 spins.

The average to hit is still 2 spins.


If you observe countback and know the average to hit you can make a decision whether to bet or not.

Nothing is set in stone, like you suggesting bet 1-10 and then throw out 7-10 or 8-10 etc.

 

Rheti what's next 60 spins.
I could show some spins from Dr Sir's live spins in groups of 185 spins.
Perhaps show these spins are not cherry picked like the Dr, suggests

 

yoyr 1 million of Rng
follows the theoretical Probability

80.8 %

and weighted average ... after 7.3 spins a repeater

 

just an example from wiesbaden:

9 0
12 0
31 0
7 0
7 4 26 26
0 26
8 26
14 26
33 26
4 26
5 26
2 26
15 26
13 26
1 26
32 26
28 26
13 12 -204 -178
11 -178
24 -178
0 -178
11 3 30 -148
18 -148
12 -148
33 -148
17 -148
28 -148
9 -148
14 -148
23 -148
1 -148
21 -148
21 10 156 8
8 8
33 8
10 8
6 8
3 8
23 8
33 6 15 23
19 23
24 23
18 23
22 23
30 23
6 23
3 23
21 23
33 23
24 9 76 99
4 99
9 99
21 99
0 99
21 4 26 125
21 125
20 125
25 125
6 125
27 125
16 125
19 125
22 125
26 125
25 9 76 201
33 201
21 201
16 201
30 201
35 201
24 201
30 6 15 216
2 216
35 216
13 216
12 216
15 216
36 216
33 216
15 7 37 253
36 253
3 253
26 253
29 253
0 253
21 253
29 6 15 268
31 268
4 268
31 2 33 301
28 301
3 301
28 2 33 334
1 334
6 334
26 334
12 334
20 334
27 334
17 334
36 334
14 334
6 9 76 410
16 410
1 410
26 410
4 410
34 410
1 5 21 431
11 431
24 431
18 431
34 431
7 431
30 431
5 431
21 431
23 431
6 431
21 10 156 587
7 587
36 587
26 587
14 587
14 4 26 613
2 613
3 613
20 613
18 613
22 613
17 613
31 613
18 613
24 613
24 9 76 689
24 689
6 689
26 689
10 689
13 689
11 689
30 689
2 689
16 689
12 689
4 689
34 689
8 689
16 13 -204 485
6 485
5 485
14 485
3 485
10 485
28 485
11 485
13 485
3 8 49 534
14 534
6 534
20 534
34 534
19 534
7 534
28 534
3 534
19 8 49 583
9 583
11 583
30 583
31 583
14 583
17 583
9 6 15 598
20 598
3 598
7 598
17 598
26 598
1 598
22 598
21 598
4 598
22 9 76 674
9 674
9 1 35 709
35 709
25 709
11 709
3 709
16 709
12 709
8 709
15 709
21 709
22 709
35 10 156 865
3 865
36 865
29 865
30 865

 

weighted average that day 6.9 spins

 

Rheti
They are not my million spins. They belong to luck of the Irish.
Rheti in 2016 I was ta Aspers casino Stratford before the West Ham game. Playing on Interblock.
Now, I won knowing the average to hit on the RNG.
Late I used the spins for various testings.

Have you tried betting these 7 spins other than your expensive prog.
I'll await your answer.

 

example of 1 to 10 and 7 to 10

+ 219 versus +434

 

roughly 31 sessions a day in Wiesbaden

theoretical Approach, what you can expect

31 round
1 2,7 0,8 1
2 5,3 1,6 2
3 7,5 2,3 2
4 9,1 2,8 3
5 10,2 3,2 3
6 10,6 3,3 3
7 10,3 3,2 3
8 9,6 3,0 3
9 8,5 2,6 3
10 7,1 2,2 2
>10 19,2 6,0 6
100,0 31,0 31

 

I just make one suggestion - read Roy Ward Dickson - a very similar and complete way to tackle the issue in this topic.
You will be surprised.

Cheers

 

Occasionally we can reduce the house edge - statement by the legend Snowman - (famous bias player)
I will just share some similar thoughts from him in the past.

The following is written by The Legend Caleb and all credits goes to him.

Some roulette facts..

Here's the real deal on past spins influencing future spins. The following information is based on a REAL ROULETTE WHEEL WITH A LIVE DEALER. On these wheels the rotor did NOT alternate spin direction- (every other spin like they do in EU). The following information does NOT pertain to an RNG based wheel or the random game of roulette. In other words, no electronic machines.

I can tell you the facts, based on my experience, as they pertain to a real wheel.
Here they are, like them or not.

1. If a number has hit within the last five spins, it really is slightly more likely to hit on the next spin.

2. Simply playing the last five numbers to have hit will slightly reduce the house edge, especially when the wheel speed is close to the speed of the previous spin. In rare cases, you can get a small edge on some wheels playing this way.

3. The dealer's pick up and release of the ball is not random, like someone on this board had stated. As a matter of fact, it will quickly spike out beyond five standard deviations in a short period of time for most dealers, if you take the time to measure it.

Snowman

Reåply Laurance Scott

I agree with everything - Snowman has said, except one thing:
Even in the situation he describes, past spins don't "influence" future spins. It's just that the same physical system that produced those past spins will tend to produce future spins in the same manner. Because of the short term nature of biases, this tends to manifest best within the first few spins.
I have about 150,000 real roulette spins and in all but a handfull of cases, the house edge is reduced just by betting the past 5 spins. In a few cases, a true edge is realized. However, there are two things Snowman isn't telling you:

1) It only works (or, has the potential to work) on wheels with a Chi-Square above 55, and

2) Trying to exploit the bias (i.e. playing) will negate the effect should you start to win. In fact, should you start to win and draw attention just betting the past 5 numbers, you will - in all probability - now be playing into a significant negative edge

LS

Cheers

 

Rheti Does your system works at evolution roulette?

 

Turbo Genius kind of explained it when he was talking about repeaters. the average speed of repeaters (not one specific number) is 24 spins, and also if you see his statistical results, he takes three fast "horses" (horse race analogy), and you can calculate that to have this 24 spins average speed it means one of the three has to appear every 8 spins... I am not sure if I was very clear here, but if you look and study his post you can check that.

 

Whats the link this post?

 

I have read Turbo's horse race analogy. But 24 spins is about the maximum to find a repeat.. not sure about the 3 fastest, do you mean one of the first 3 numbers to repeat should soon become a 3-show? Because that, of course, isn't guaranteed to occur within 8 spins.
Just trying to clarify what you mean..
Cheers
Dave

 

Analysis and Statistics of 7 Months from live spinning Wiesbaden

7 to 10 Reoeater method.. a 4 stage Progression

6361 sessions and 53k of spins

2----7
3----8
8----0
10---10

if losing -/- 210 euro

67,6 64,9 actual prob versus theoretical

6 months positive --- 1 month negative

24k of profit

1 to 6 spins waiting ( 45%)

highest profit of 1 month

1 466 466
2 2 468
3 612 1080
4 -242 838
5 1118 1956
6 574 2530
7 394 2924
8 -270 2654
9 16 2670
10 -34 2636
11 -238 2398
12 -994 1404
13 -526 878
14 840 1718
15 78 1796
16 -1056 740
17 672 1412
18 1274 2686
19 246 2932
20 -216 2716
21 726 3442
22 46 3488
23 848 4336
24 588 4924
25 -150 4774
26 508 5282
27 -886 4396
28 972 5368
29 1444 6812
30 -192 6620

 

spins act theo
1 2,9 2,7
2 5,3 5,3
3 7,0 7,5
4 8,6 9,1
5 10,2 10,2
6 10,4 10,6
7 10,8 10,3
8 9,7 9,6
9 9,6 8,5
10 7,5 7,1
11 5,2 5,7
12 4,1 4,4
13 3,1 3,2
14 2,1 2,2
15 1,4 1,5
16 0,9 0,9
17 0,6 0,6
18 0,2 0,3
19 0,2 0,2
20 0,1 0,1
21 0,0 0,0
22 0,05 0,0
23 0,02 0,0

 

The Negative month:

-258 -258
-982 -1240
-70 -1310
-22 -1332
-450 -1782
-430 -2212
-842 -3054
332 -2722
10 -2712
-438 -3150
764 -2386
628 -1758
-280 -2038
18 -2020
-210 -2230
320 -1910
-746 -2656
488 -2168
-694 -2862
956 -1906
-1316 -3222
-212 -3434
-384 -3818
454 -3364
-170 -3534
638 -2896
226 -2670
-850 -3520
140 -3380
700 -2680

 

On Average you will see roughly 30 sessions a day

act theor
1 to 6 13,3 13,6 wait
7 to 10 11,3 10,6 win
11 to 24 5,4 5,8 lose
total 30,0 30,0

7.3 spins a repeater