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Roulette I've seen a new absurd claim that the gambler's fallacy isn't.....

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I see math being used improperly by people, not the math being wrong.
    1+2+3+4+5+6+7+ (to infinite) = -1/12
    This one is used in string theory calculations... feel free to look it up.
    So adding every number together to infinite equals a negative -1/12

    Sure it's absurd and wrong, but it's used by people who don't know any better and it fits
    into a calculation so the math people are happy with it.
     
  2. Benas

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    Main moment what you not understand is that not possible to beat random and second - for that who know reasons - results are not random !
     
  3. gizmotron

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    I beat random all day long. You do it by waiting for it to show its weak points and this is done by situational awareness. But speaking about that does not belong in this thread.
     
  4. TurboGenius

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    It's impossible, the experts have said so.
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    Amazing how a conversation that brings nothing concrete to the table has so much to said.

    Abstract is a great safety blanket , it has it place sure, but like a endless puzzle , a Ship always cruising but wont ever touch ground. I can look at a abstract painting and see one, or a million thing, I can speak in circles for hours only for the sake of looking smart, but isn't a thread also a tool to help others with concrete nuggets of ideas . will what I said be helpful to anyone in having a better win/loss ratio when at the table ? or is all of it just a "self-serving buffet ?"
    God bless,
    R.
     
  6. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well, it was clear from the person who posted the thread that this was in reply to my thread
    about Gambler's Fallacy. He gave his opinion and was backed up by the math expert here so
    there isn't much else to say.
    Perhaps you'll find useful info in other threads that are constructive. This one didn't seem to be
    created to be informative. It just states an opinion that goes against what I've demonstrated
    countless times to be false.
     
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    You can talk that you beat, can talk that you are 2.5 meters high, can talk that can fly... what is from these talks ? Absolutelly nothing ! Only words !
    If you came here simply for braging how smart are you - you all can do that and be happy...for me that is without difference....
     

  8. gizmotron

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    So dumb guy escapes you? The irony is devastating. Perhaps someone will feel sorry for you and drop you a hint.

    This guy joined a full year before You know what happened. I guess he might be another sleeper agent.
     
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    LOL LOOL
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    1. While playing, why is a number that has hit "2x" (two times) more likely to hit again than a number that has yet to hit?
    2. Has the probability of winning changed for one but not the other?
    3. Please show the math that supports your wild claim.
     
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    morgan-freeman-the-story-of-god.jpg

    Would you rather have someone explain why a system won't work, potentially saving your life savings, house, and children's college fund, or would you rather remain blissfully ignorant and while blowing spit bubbles?


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  12. TurboGenius

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    Oh ! Pick me, pick me.

    Here are some spins from RX.

    11 !
    Now how many numbers can get to 2x ? Oh, just #11 is the only possible number that can do this.
    2 ! Wrong ! Now there's only 2 and 11, not 38 possibilities - only 2 that can do this.
    4 ! Wrong ! Now there's only 3 possible numbers - not 38 or 40 or 8 - just 3.
    19 ! Wrong. Now there's only 4 possible numbers that can win, not 38.
    0 ! Now there's 5 - not 38.
    16 ! Now there's 6 - not 38.
    2 ! I won ! How ? I didn't have a 1 in 38 chance of winning on that last spin.
    Who's going to reach 3x ? Maybe 2 ?
    12
    13
    13
    2 ! No way !! How is that possible ? Time machine ?
    23 spins later I won again on 2 ! There were only 5 possible numbers that could do this.
    4 spins later 2 again ! It was the only possible number to get to 5x and sure enough.
    4 spins later I have 2 and 18 as possible to get to 6x
    On spin 46 2 shows again ! I tell ya it's like I could somehow predict at better than 1 in 38.

    Sure the 2 might have changed to another numbers - but I posted the chart.
    Even going to 20x the average is below 37 spins.
    If the average is below the 35 to 1 payout and there are only a very few limited numbers that can do this,
    and they are predictable based on past spins....where are you stuck on it being 1 in 38 ?
    If the wheel put out every number like you mentioned - then it wouldn't work.
    But luckily that isn't "random" anymore is it.
    Random gives you 2/3 of the 38 in a cycle on average, meaning there are 12.66 times a number
    will repeat on average. Can a number repeat that hasn't even shown 1 time yet ? No.
    You narrow down the possible outcomes based on past spins.
    If you chart data you will see this - and a pretty bell curve that makes "random" predictable.
    I suppose it's too much effort. Also the first to 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x end up being even more
    predicable. This uses only past spins. How many ways does the Fallacy have to be debunked
    before this nonsense term isn't used anymore ?
     
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    What a stupid thing to say.
    You assume people won't test anything and run to the casino putting down everything they own ???
    What nonsense to say.
    Go stand outside of a liquor store and tell someone getting a bottle of wine that they shouldn't do that,
    they'll spend all their money on alcohol and lose their savings and their house and wife and kids !!!!
    You would be called out for being so absurd. Not everyone is addicted to gambling, and if they are they
    need help. Most of "us" are responsible adults and your dire warning of imminent "loss of all" is BS.
     
  14. gizmotron

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    So if you go from spin number 1 and let's say the number is 12. Then the next is 3, the next is 33... etc. What is the average number of spins before a repeat of any one of the first numbers that have appeared? A correct answer might be a fraction but it still must be a number like 12 or 13 based on cornball theories like the law of thirds. I get the quick and I get the long time. I'm just trying to avoid building a sim to find out the hard way.
     

  15. Naughty but nice

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    Giz

    You obviously don’t read.

    The good old Dr Sir Sir anyone posted 10’330 live spins sometime ago over at RF.

    The 10’330 spins were broken into groups of 185 spins.

    The average for repeats was shown to be 1-3-5-7=16 over 40 spins. At 60 spins the average was 30 repeats from 30 non-hit.

    So, the 1-3-5-7-30 was also the same for RNG and air-ball, plus German live spins.

    Even Turbo said 9 spins in a thread.

    Your answer is a repeat is most likely in 1st 10 spins.

    You can go 20 spins and have just 1 repeat.

    Luck of the Irish poster posted on repeats in Colbsters topic at RF.

    Even the LOTT that the Dr Sir mocks has 13 repeats.

    You can even see the repeats using your reading random.
     
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    I posted 90 odd spins in a text file and asked Turbo to show the matches.

    I know how the matches show; but will he show them in RX?
     
  17. gizmotron

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    Obviously I can read.

    I think it is you that can't read. What is the large number statistical value for the first repeat to occur? It's not that comfortable suggestion 10. It not that nightmare 20.
     
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    Giz you carry on trying to read random.
    This happens
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    Even Dr Sir shows this. But you need to know how to play for the repeat.
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    So, even you should win with these, if you can read random
     
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    Giz 1-3-5-7=16; 1-3=4
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    20 spins; but it's only average.
    But is there an advantage? Perhaps #36 is Turbos top 3
     
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    The repeats can be +/-1 and at there worst +/-5.
    Can you take an advantage?
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    Perhaps best you stick trying to read random.
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    1-3-5=9
    30 spins perfect those repeats.
    But as said it's only average. Better to know than just guess the supposed 1/37
     

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