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TurboGenius Gambler's Fallacy (absurd ?) Proof.

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 29, 2021.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I have simulators that can and have done this. It's a dead end on a random wheels. On biased wheels, things are much different.
     
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  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Variance...meaning randomness. A few hundred spins is a small sample.
     
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  3. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Yes a biased wheel can give better results. But don't need biased wheels to win. I can win on any wheel any casino. The longer I play flatbet the more I win with minimal drawdown. I posted the rsim graph on this forum.

    You're doing it the hard way. That's your life work. And you're not happy others have won easily on any wheel. Too bad.

    You have the choice to learn how to win with small drawdown on any wheel

    or continue to play your biased wheel which may give you 400units drawdown that force you ride this negative variance with large bankroll.

    And your naysaying posts on forums won't change a bit on those of us who do it correctly, we continue to win as usual.
     
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  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Meanwhile, back in reality.

    Here's the sample I mentioned.
    But please remember - this was all cherry picked (0 resets) and please also remember
    that past spins don't matter. Hot numbers don't matter. Cold numbers don't matter.
    Gambler's Fallacy is a real thing. There are too many pockets on the wheel to win.
    We're all wasting our times.
    If you remember all that - here are the results :
    687 spins took a while on that slow site - but I guess 937 units profit with
    no progression is just plain impossible to the naysayers.
    And I say no progression because the amount on the table doesn't get higher as the game
    goes on, it actually drops. I played through the entire table 2 times just to make sure the
    crowd of misfits won't say "oh you got lucky". Hope it helps. Tweak it as needed, improvements
    are there to make it even better. If you need a detailed explanation of the "rules" then I can
    explain that too but it's pretty self-explanatory.
    https://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/6f80ebf69e62eda74134550461a05d48


    https://roulette-simulator.info/en/user/14c4f36143b4b09cbc320d7c95a50ee7
     
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  5. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    TurboGenius has just kindly revealed the basic strategy.

    To you, all naysayers and doubters. Learn the basics. Since you claim you're smart, tweak it to minimal drawdown. Then "go make your millions" like Steve wrote.
     
  6. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is the same thing now in RX *faster* but with $5.00 unit size and going through the whole table twice using dozens.
    Again, too many pockets on the wheel :( Fallacy fallacy fallacy gets you nowhere.

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    I forgot that I have a sim that tackles the intervals of every number. All I have to do is have it go out 600 spins. It will then show how numbers change as time goes along. It will show the changes. Thanks Turbo,
     
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  8. gizmotron

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    Turbo, those examples are amazing.
     
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  9. Luckyfella

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    Naysayers say play martingale sure to lose. They say roll from hell will kill the bankroll.

    I just played a 4steps martingale session, 1,2,4,8=15units.

    Yes I lose 3 times. But even after I lose 3 times 4steps martingale I'm up 50units after 100 spins. Plot a moving average you get a upward sloping line. I can afford to lose another 3times 3 steps martingale.

    The point is IF the betselection has positive edge it will still win with limited steps martingale. The more I play the more I win.

    Oh yeah this is a cherry picked chart.
    Photoshopped chart.
    Not enough spins.
    Win by luck.
    Fallacy, fallacy, fallacy.
     

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  10. Luckyfella

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    No matter the variance, random will converge towards 1/37 in the long run.

    Negative variance cause divergence from the mean. Positive variance cause convergence towards the mean. No variance means remain at mean. Hot, cold and random selected numbers converge, diverge to and away from the mean at different rates. Depending on the angle of the tangent line. That's the correct math. Which is beyond you and MJ.
     
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  11. DutchCrown

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    Why you guys keep crying on the same thing ia beyond me.
    There it is, a simple method to win and you still argue about it, yet the outcome is the same every time you play, over and over again. Really, you are all nuts.
    Last night i played again live at my local bm, 2 hours and a bit. €496 profit, just playing 4 cold numbers. But hey, all hocus pocus right?
    I really don't understand why turbo keep defending himself, it's a waste of time. Some of you just won't learn.
     
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    Don't give me the crap, go make millions, because i don't have to. I make a good living from roulette. Wife happy, kids happy. that's all that matters in the end
     
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    And as a side note, on february 3, 2022 (3 years without a loss) but the naysayers will say the law of the large numbers will catch up :bag:
     
  14. Luckyfella

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    Extra pocket(s) have no impact on variance. Random still produce this convergence and divergence at different rates naturally.

    Extra pocket(s) alone has no impact on the game.

    Extra pocket(s) with unfair payout does reduce the size of the positive edge.

    The issue is not with extra pocket(s). The issue is with unfair payouts.
     
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  15. Mako

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    That was fun as hell to click through and watch develop. Very cool, thanks Ed.
     
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    Why don't we all agree to dissagree.....

    Some are stuck in that 200years old way of thinking...which is fine lol

    Some are reading and instead of bashing TG they actually test things. While doing that they seem to notice things...adjust the bets, know when and what to bet , .....and they make enough profit in their way to cover any dd that happens....

    Lets leave it at that....

    Oh i almost forgot.... Some could smoke some w€€d and stare into a candle till a number pops up ( oh wait...couldnt they also be lucky for 30k spins ? Oh no thats only when TG plays i suppose....)

    Anyway.....moving on to my hot vs cold method ( yeah , i use both ) ;)
     
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  17. Luckyfella

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    I wrote earlier, there are many "ways" to win.

    Start from what TG posted we discover our own way that suit our risk tolerance and the practical real time tracking.

    My main criteria is minimal drawdown. Least practical effort that's easy to play. Short sessions to reach target. It need not give the best ROI.
     
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  18. Ordinary_people

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    Yes i agree. For this couple days. I try and analyze about these cold number will caught up.

    But i need to find a way that you mean how to reach target in short session. Because if there cold number will caught up sometimes need much time and for me sometimes thats time maybe too long for me and not suit to the casino live dealer where i play.

    My conclusion : turbogenius, denzie, luckyfella, dutchcrown play. I believe that they can make long term profit consistent and make more win than the loss.

    I must find my way. Hope can be. Thanks all
     
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  19. Mako

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    There's a really interesting sequence of events in TG's example starting at spin 557 to 591, where R-Sim RNG goes off the rails a bit as the second dozen misses 12 times in a row while his bet placements are essentially locked in the second double street of that dozen.

    Then when it finally starts hitting again it hits all around the placed bets, missing them all for another extended period, and then...TG goes bust.

    Except he doesn't. Not even close.

    The drawdown wasn't even a significant size, it was irrelevant basically since the numbers had low units on them the entire span (which they should, they hadn't hit beyond expectation yet so why would there be large unit bets on them?) ;)

    And then as predicted, the section gets hits hard, finally allowing the bet placements to jailbreak to the next DS in the third dozen...which then gets lit up for four consecutive spins by 612, erasing the "difficulty" (air quotes) of the previous section in the blink of eye, ang generating a beautiful profit.
     
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  20. Ordinary_people

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    @Luckyfella

    I just wanna ask u 1 thing. Not how you play it.

    In your way to win most of the time / all the time. Which one do you play : number, dozen, double street, street ?

    Hope u can give me a little clue.

    Thanks
     
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