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TurboGenius When does it lose ?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's hard to keep up with them when they run in circles.
    Even harder when they actually agree with you but then argue that you're wrong.
    It makes for a nasty headache and dizzy spells.
     
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  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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  3. mr j

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    "Finish him" !!
     
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    Can he do that? Will he? Imma pray tonight.
     
  5. Benas

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    Turbo, why do you always talk about long listings? Take only a few meanings and say - this is random, but this is not.
    And then, accordingly, you will be that 1-2-3-4 is random, but 1-1-1-1 is not random?
     
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  6. Ka2

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    Ok I will ask, who knows he might answer. :)
     
  7. Luckyfella

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    #FakeMathexpert Benas doesn't know that,

    1,2,3,4,5,6,7,.....>>34,35,36,0,1,2,3,4,5.....>>34,35,36,0,1,2,3,4...... ap series for 100spins is not random.
     
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  8. Benas

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    #SuperMath expert Luckyfella - knows all, he is math guru ! :D
     
  9. Bombus

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    Well, there might come a time. But don't hold your breath.
     
  10. Ka2

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    Why is everybody so confused about time??? This is not how we play This is not what we use. Yes chance it will popup will go beyond the time of the universe.

    POINT WAS.

    It has the same chance as any other combination! And according to a lot of you it is not random so it should not pop up, NEVER which is simply not true!

    Is it really that hard to understand??????
     
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  11. Ka2

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    Well I tried to contact him on twitter, but he has direct messaging turned off. :-( But you could ask him though and maybe he can then twitter about it :):):)
     
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  12. Median Joe

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    You said something is either random or not; black & white and no "degrees" of randomness. So where is the dividing line between random and non-random?

    111 is that random?
    1111 how about that?
    11111 are we non-random yet?
     
  13. Bombus

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    With 37/38 degrees of freedom, after 7 or 8 repeats of the same number, we are moving away from the haphazard movements of random, and into something else.
     
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  14. TurboGenius

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    I thought you were the maths expert, that's what I was told by Saint Sir Anyone - why are you asking lowly "me"
    what random is ?
    You need to know how many variables there are possible and you also need a large set of spins to determine
    if a listing is random or not. You can't point to "1-1-1" and ask if that is random.
    Even Saint Sir Anyone needs a long list of spins before he attacks a bias wheel -
    why not use 1 spin ? OH now it doesn't work and your running in circles again
    as usual.

    This is a good quote :
    If you want to test a list to see if it is random or not -
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi-squared_test#:~:text=A chi-squared test, also written as χ2 test,,is used as short for Pearson's chi-squared test.

    Other than that, you are on your own.
     
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    Ok do all even more simple - can you write one sequence which is random and one which is not and I will try to prove you , that bouth of them have the same probability to appear.
    And if two sequences have the same probability to appear - how one can be random, but another is not random ?

    what you show here :
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    Has no relationship with random or not random about what are talk. Because talk is about sequences and how far each sequence number is far from predicted number. So distances from predicted number in case 1-1-1-1 is 0-0-0-0, the same like in 1-2-3-4 - also 0-0-0-0 !

    What you want to show is simply that such wheel maybe generate not random outcomes, so talk is about wheel !!! Not about sequences...
    So looks that you mix two things - wheel itself and sequences...
     
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    Say is such : we close all numbers in first spin and left only number 1 - naturally ball stop in it.
    In secons spin we close all and left only number 2 - and we have hit in to it , the same we do in every next spin and finally have some from your point - random sequence... But it is absolutelly not random and in it no difference, with case where we allways close all and left only number 1 open !
     
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    @Luckyfella
    Hi! thanks for answering!

    what do you mean with "smaller location"?. splits, streets o lines perhaps?.

    Since "x" may be a large number you adjust it by trimming some numbers to make it a EC bet. Use the probability calculator to do this.

    Do you mean that I adjust to the probability of an EC the number of bets (spins) to make once I have the trigger of "x" numbers?

    Thaks so much again!

     
  18. Ka2

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    By the way i looked more into the chi square your example is wrong. Because you only used 100 spins.

    Here some info:

    The Chi-square statistic follows a chi-square distribution asymptotically with df=n-1. That means we can use the chi-square distribution to calculate an accurate p-value only for large samples. (That's where the asymptotically comes in). For small samples, it doesn't work.

    chi-square is highly sensitive to sample size


    So to be fair do it again within the regions of the event of 100 1's
     
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    I asked this a few times already, nobody is able to answer where the dropoff point starts...
     
  20. Luckyfella

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    Do you read posts?

    Why don't you ask your chi expert SirNoOne?

     
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