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Discussion in 'Suggestions / Comments / Criticisms / Problems' started by TurboGenius, Nov 26, 2021.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I often get requests by members for my email so that we can communicate in that way.
    Yes, I've used "creative" ways to get them this info. Those were removed as violations.

    I'm just curious as to why this is a violation.
    I'm just curious - perhaps in the profile section a box can be checked where email
    can be visible if a member chooses to display it ?
    I can understand potential scammers joining and posting such as "Contact me to get rich" etc etc.
    This is already covered in Rule #3 though.

    Perhaps it could be available for "Well known member" or above ?
    Or Founding members ?
    I'm just throwing things at the wall lol.
    It's just strange that sharing my own email address with someone is a problem.
    There are ways around this of course but I like to try to keep my record clean :)

    For example - I can tell someone that I use [removed]
    (This is basically what I did in my profile post section when asked for my email,
    and it was a violation.....) It worked, but it was a violation somehow.
    Anyway just asking.
    Cheers.
     
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  2. Admin Team

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    The sharing of contact details (even indirectly) is against our rules for two reasons, one to protect against spammers/scammers, and two to prevent a circumvention of the PM unlock criteria in order to contact a member privately.

    We do not want to be responsible for members being contacted off the site and scammed, and we do not want other members circumventing the PM unlock criteria to e-mail/call a member.

    Those are the 2 main reasons that rule exists.
     
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  3. redietz

    redietz Well-Known Member

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    So in other words, you are protecting people who want to contact each other from each other. LOL.

    You do realize the definition of "scam" would apply to half the theories regarding roulette on this forum.

    From Merriam-Webster:

    "Scam (noun) -- A dishonest scheme; a fraud."

    Half of the roulette theories do not work, yet are presented as if they do work. That makes them, by definition, frauds.
     
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  4. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Lookie sheriff you can’t prove that at all. So you say only half are fraudulent, that means the other half is not. Where is YOUR proof? Just more assumptions. More baseless accusations. No facts.
    I think the word is trolling on your part. Not fraud.
     
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  5. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    That maybe the rules.
    That is what everyone signed up to.
    Obviously people don’t read the fine print as in the rules of the forum.
    You don’t go to McDonald’s and order sushi just because it sells food, unless you’re a moron.
    Lots of people just sign up then bitch and moan
    BUT
    Had they read the conditions of being a member
    FIRST
    Then they would not need to complain about
    300 posts
    PM
    Private email
    ( full disclosure I had list my email address here my bad , but I don’t use the PM facility BY choice)
    Etc.

    For what it’s worth
    Imho the no private contact, email etc is not to protect people necessarily.

    If you could post an email address this forum would be nothing more than

    A Notice Board function website.

    Not why they set this forum up in the first place, it’s here to generate traffic to provide revenue from advertising and you get to read hopefully some interesting material as a byproduct or not .

    Founding members have special rights as presented through various posts I’ve read this forum. I have no princess problems with that. You have done the time etc. But as a founder member you already have 300 posts and private mailing so why not just put your email address on your pm , you don’t have to have it out there this forum.

    Cheers
     
  6. Boz

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    HALF? HALF? I’m honestly shocked you would say that. Maybe you are saying half are intended as fraud from the start and the other half are just innocent idiots with too much time on their hands to think their “research” will show math doesn’t work.

    In terms you and I understand it’s like a sports handicapping service splitting a game giving the east coast team A and the west coast Team B. Only 50% lost but 100% of it was a fraud.
     
  7. Admin Team

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    That is only one of the reasons. Because if an innocent member posts their e-mail publicly, then they can become a target of any scammer anywhere in the world since their posts would be open to the world for all to see. Since new members cannot contact other member privately and our system automatically catches the vast majority of scammers and spammers before they can even attempt any damage, it is virtually impossible for a member to scam another member here at GF. This was carefully thought out before launch based upon our experience with other communities and is by design. So much so, that we encourage you to provide a hypothetical example of how a scammer can actually defraud someone on GF.

    It can't be fraud by definition because no one is selling anything -- and therefore the element of unfair/unlawful gain is missing -- since selling/advertising/promoting are against our rules, and it's precisely why people aren't allowed to publish their contact details. Imagine a scammer registers, promises members huge gains, posts their e-mail address, and leaves. They can keep getting unsuspecting leads for free for them to scam. Again, this is one of the reasons it's against our rules.

    redietz, you are free to contribute content you believe would do more good. But if you refuse to be a part of the solution, then you can't exactly blame others for the problem you are willfully ignoring. We provide a completely free platform open to all. Those that choose to use it are the ones that define the tone and direction of the community. Those that choose not to use it get to watch it unfold from the sidelines. To use a sports metaphor, if you are willfully sitting on the bench, then you have no say in the game.

    If done properly, it should be a win-win-win. The administration of the site give the community what they want, since the community gets what they want they participate more which drives more traffic and discussions for everyone to enjoy, the additional traffic benefits the advertisers and leads to more advertisers, the additional advertisers benefit the administration, and so on. We are fervent believers in giving our users what they want which is why we have a specific Feedback section open to all members.

    Boz, like redietz, you are free to be a part of the change you wish to see. But complaining about what is published on a completely free and open site without contributing the type of discussions you wish to see is analogous to complaining about the outcome of an election without having voted in it. There is nothing keeping folks like you and redietz from participating actively here to change the level of discourse, but complaining about it is simply not going to change anything.

    We made it clear from our earliest days that we would not define the direction of the community. Our members would. The AP community had the first shot, but they simply did not contribute much. So their vacuum was naturally filled by non-AP gamblers.

    Our site still has significant room for growth, so the community can be steered in a different direction, but we will not interfere with or otherwise manipulate that direction as we have no skin in the gambling industry.
     
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  8. Boz

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    I actually agree with Admin on this rule. I do have to laugh at the person who was originally concerned about it. Certainly fits a narrative I’m not the only one believes about his motivations. Shocking I say, shocking!
     
  9. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yeah, umm. People send me email because they would like help or have ideas.
    No one has ever asked for your email... because... trolling and riding my coat tails isn't something
    anyone would need help with.
    When your only motivation is posting when I post to try to look relevant - your helping no one.
    Thanks for your contribution(s) to the community... of which I can think of not 1.
     
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  10. Boz

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    If just ONE person reads my criticism of you and others like you that promote you can beat the house edge of Roulette and doesn’t follow it, I contributed FAR more than you ever did.

    That’s a simple fact regardless of all the BS and simulations you post. You can’t beat the math over time. And the timeframe isn’t long so don’t come up with that garbage about short term etc.

    I’ve said you might actually believe the stuff you post, but that doesn’t excuse it. You are no different than Christopher Mitchell with his martingale stuff. You try to make others believe you have found a way to defy math with voodoo. It’s a joke and anyone not dreaming of easy money understands it.

    You are not Mother Theresa, if you found a way to beat the casino at Roulette you would keep your mouth shut. Because if you did you would be cheating and I’m not accusing you of that.

    I don’t need to look relevant but I do hope I helped just ONE person avoid falling for your nonsense. And with your screen name alone it shows you are egotistical maniac. You are the one that wants to be seen as “relevant”. No other answer, along with giving you something to do instead of losing your ass in casinos with your “system”.

    Grow up and look in the mirror at the danger you are doing to others. At least consider a disclaimer on your posts warning others of the House Advantage and that no system can beat him. Somehow I doubt we will see that.
     
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  11. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes, another Saint out to protect the masses.
    I can tell from your informative postings in the "Lounge" and "Off-topic", along with the
    abusive posts I had to remove from my section that you are here to help others..... clearly.
    Aside from those I've yet to see a contribution that backs up your claim of sainthood.
    I'll stop now, no need to derail a topic with squabbles and I wouldn't want your 0 followers to become
    upset with me.
    Enjoy your day. Feel free to keep assuming my intentions and motivations... where is that mirror you
    talked about ? Have you looked into it ?
     
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  12. Boz

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    Just like your unwillingness to take Bluejay’s $30,000 challenge because you either don’t have $3,000 or know you can’t win. You won’t put up a disclaimer about House Advantages, got it.

    As for the posts of mine you delete, I’m proud of the one where you warned people about being robbed when leaving the casino. My comment was AGAIN much more useful than yours. I advised they are more likely to get robbed when they have money entering the casino before losing it playing Roulette. That is a FACT when people play a negative game, they will lose more times than they win. Are you arguing that’s not true? That are showing people they will win more than lose at a negative game with your teachings? Yes or no?

    As for “followers”, I get you have some. Of course the majority of people are suckers willing to suspend disbelief because of their life. Most want easy and free money, which is what you promote. It’s why people fall for telemarketing scams daily. They wouldn’t make the calls if a segment of the population falls for them. And NO, I’m not calling you a scammer.

    And people on Gambling forums are more likely to fall for the story you push using crazy math defying claims. And they deserve getting what they knew would happen to their money in their head if they were honest.

    But none of this proves you are anything other than an egotistical guy who may be intelligent or a complete lunatic. Doesn’t matter, all that matters is you don’t have any “system” to beat a negative game. You know it, I know it and so does anyone else with a clear head. And you can’t prove me wrong.

    Do the right thing and put a disclaimer up on the house odds of the game you are saying you can beat at will. Or show which PA and AC casinos that either removed Roulette or went out of business because of you breaking them with your “system”.
     
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  13. mr j

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    I can understand.....posting someone else's email, a rule violation but posting your own??

    I dont agree with THAT rule but I won't lose sleep over it either.

    Ken
     
  14. Punkcity

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    Absolute drivel
    I rarely report a post for off topic but you , this post I will.
    You and the other mathtopian sheriffs need to realise this is a gambling forum. The mathtopian forum is that other site you lot belong to , and coincidentally it is dying. Funny that. You tosser.
     

  15. Boz

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    Report away and Admin can make the decision. Nothing I posted isn’t true, not sure why you are so upset. I have a theory but it really doesn’t matter.

    Always amazed at how the system boys get so upset when faced with the reality of math. Luckily for you guys, the casinos are always open and more than willing to let you “prove” your math defying claims. Though I think most of it is bluster and you guys don’t really after a few trips of reality smacking you in the face.

    But discuss away, it’s humorous to read at times. Win loss statements in January would be even more interesting to see.
     
  16. Junket King

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    Sounds like GR8 all over, never knew that, like I say great entertainment these threads.

    Yep quite a few of the latter floating around this forum.
     
  17. thereddiamanthe

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    Intro



    Swiss, although its a country in itself, consists of many so to say boroughs .. all practicing a 'direct democracy' ..

    which simply means referendums are run for each & every important question .. meaning that residents of those boroughs decide by which rules/guidelines will, by themselves.


    This has been run in practice from way before any comp tech has been available, not to mention the possibilities now available to the world as a whole .. to practice such direct democracy on a local levels .. by means of blockchain phone/computer voting .. on anything that's important ..

    .. surpassing, superseding & overriding the way overdue needed change of the 'elected' government paradigm;
    where anyone who wants so basically 'signs off one-time-only consent for someone else to supposedly work in their favor .. of which problems are many -- non-resonance of the elected's standing on each & every question/issue relevant to the consentor, corruption or conflict of interests, blackmail forced on elected, ect. ect. -- just to name a few.

    ===============================================================

    Preface

    So, bottom line, direct democracy in form of referendum pole on the any of the major issues, & those members qualified (all including new, a certain number of posts .. or whatever the qualifier is) decides on the way of the solution is implemented.

    Its basically, virtually having shares in the forum, as opinion 'invested' =vote actually matters, giving that 'sense of community'.



    That being said, of course, the solution shall be curtailed in a way that also virtually or absolutely annihilates the possibility of a scam.

    Thereof, if someone (eg. me, TurboGenius, whoever) consents to 'lend' his contact details (email, something else) for the purpose of being contacted directly upon both parties agreeing .. that should be enabled in a form provided by a feature explicitly for that.


    My proposal

    somewhere in the profile section, having a feature enabling this function of sharing the contact details privately & secured only, annihilating the 'danger' of posting them publicly for everyone to see + as well annihilating the now somehow imposed conflictual option of violating the rules to satisfy the private interest

    ie.
    'Send My Contact Details To' -- where each member intentionally & autonomously decides which member exclusively & securely to reveal his/her contacting details by explicitly selecting a name from the list (similar to the nickname popup in the 'Search' feature' -- which delivers the request directly into their Inbox.

    Which leaves out one more thing to address --
    in what way should other members, first & foremost, place such an exchange request ..
    regarded on an one-time-off consensual basis-only request for the exchange of contact details;
    the most apparent & suitable of options seems to be directly in a form of already existing Profile Posts.

    As such it might be even better than 'Send Contact Details To' from an aspect of simply approving/denying the request, by simply clicking on the two same-name links provided; but at the same time as made to easy to complete .. it would be too encouraging to place to many of such posts in terms of security.

    Thereof a first above-mentioned feature might be the best, due to simply having a few additional steps to complete, as a bit more discouraging.


    Another thing to address is Admins' retaining the sense of power, or said differently in benefit of the Registrants other secure functions might implemented on top of that
    1) when Admin Team identifies & labels an account as ___________ eg. scammer, etc. all such requests gets automatically invalidated & removed from being displayed from Profile Posts
    2) when Admin Team suspects an account as a ___________ eg. scammer, etc. all such requests are 'paused' from being displayed on Profile posts .. & contingent on the result of an ongoing investigation activated on the Report-basis, either resumes the display of or executes the complete removal of all relevant request automatically


    In that case
    a) no emails will ever be published in the profile themselves
    b) by providing a legal way of privately, securely & consent+effort-only solution .. the illegal now cpnflict of interest between Admin & Members resulting in violations is annihilated by default
    c) Admins retain the say in what & how finally things happen + Registrars, upon the majority vote, remain happy having their say implemented & matter as well


    In conclusion
    direct global poll on the qualifier basis
    upon the result best solution implemented

     
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