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TurboGenius When does it lose ?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    Let that be him, since he so kindly offered.
     
  2. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    DSSA you allegeedly all-knowing potato-head fuck; English is you first language isn't it?
    Even if its not anyone can perform tgis simple test .. but so much worse if it is.

    Now, let me show you how half-blind you are on such a simple case so that you with humility accept there's at least possibility of something much more complex having a merit, before you cal, anything of mine bs.



    Count the number of "F"s in the following sentence. Take your time, but only count once.
    I guess DSSA you can count even thrice ..

    FINISHED FILES ARE THE
    RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIF
    -IC STUDY COMBINED WITH
    THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS.
     
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  3. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    I was once .. from a UK bookies, in Kensinton of all the places.

    Before I've even encountered any systems or forums or whatever .. playing one EC/per turn shuffling through all three EC options .. flat-bet with rare occasional progression as in one spin/high risk about 5x or 10x flat bet.

    Although on this coincidence all flabet, put in fiver & got to +120 on video roulette; quite a while of play sure, suddenly a guy was standing behind me on my left .. didn't even mind him .. kept playing & winning as in steadily down/up raising the balance. After about 10min the shop guy came over, calmly "I'll pay you, but you have to go."

    Looked at him thinkjng 'ow well'.


    Funnily enough there was another bookies I've been that dat in before noon, Turnham Green towards Hammersmith; pretty much the same thing. Put in fiver .. got to 100, I remember that round number clear as a day. Suddenly a woman comes in the shop, sits on a stool two spaces from me with a newspaper of all things, never played. Started to fucking with my mind .. stretching it, breaking concentration. Soon I was at fiver again .. I raise my foot over the console & literally kick it, that intangible bullshit, not the console itself. The shop guy comes over mumbling about kicking 'the machine'. Picked my fiver & went out . Onto Kensington ..

    Thinking about it .. I saw that woman before, another day another shop .. same shit, stretching paper, never played. They were onto me.
     
  4. SPIKE

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    Does the size of the withdrawals matter or is it just there was too many of them. Was this in the United States or somewhere else.
     
  5. Nimo

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    I never withdraw anything over $10000, keeps my local goverment off my back as in federally regulated banking looking for money laundering. That would impose additional holds on my funds. I was under their $1500000 per week posted withdrawl limits but i had continuous withdrawls on one deposit. The casino is based in Malta.
     
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    Unicorns are real! There is one dating my neighbours, the centaur and leprichaun.
     
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  7. Mako

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    Pay attention system leeches, multiple people are going out of their way to help…which you claim no one ever does despite an entire section of the board being dedicated to specifically guiding you by the hand…;)

    Think about the following: What HAS to happen in a cycle, the details of LOTT of whatever you choose to call it? What must occur?

    Once those events are identified, how can you take advantage of that certainty, what sort of betting approach can allow you to capture the events? How can the horse race be applied in a simple and effective way?

    Turbo has delivered it previously on a plate, all you have to do is the work of reading, testing, and understanding.

    Stop crying and get to work.
     
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  8. Quos

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    Thanks TwoUp!
    Exactly, that is the article that I have read!
    there is an 55,68% a match occurs in the last 8 numbers.

    But if you bet the last 7 difefferent numbers, it seems to work, but the truth is that it does not work.

    So it's clear that something is missing. Luckyfella suggested adjusting the bet to an EC bet. A bet of 7 numbers during 4 spins would correspond with a probability of 56.78%. But that way, that is, betting every time 7 different consecutive numbers appear, for 4 spins, it doesn't work either. Something escapes me, but I don't know what it can be. My mathematical knowledge is limited.

    Thanks!
     
  9. Ka2

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    Took me 5minutes... do you really want the answer...
     
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    Never trust the mathboyz!

    Seriously though, the math shown in his "paper" is completely wrong -- I posted the correct calculation above. Maybe he wrote it to test his students (spot the deliberate mistake), who knows? Or maybe he didn't write it at all; it could have been a student with a grudge against him, lol.

    On the other hand, Dr Sir has said that if you bet on the last few numbers you can at times gain a small edge, although not usually enough to completely overcome the HA. But there is no calculation which will produce a positive expectation
     
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  11. Median Joe

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    Can't say I'm desperate for it, but tell us anyway. :)
     
  12. Ka2

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    Mako with all respect. I know you from here and other forums we also worked in private with a few others. Can you honestly say you have something? You know I'll take you're word for something.

    Does it work flat betting? And have you programmed it so you can test it rigorously?
     
  13. thereddiamanthe

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    Pride & arrongance are absolutely fine .. when you can back those with confidence =the results, achievements.
     
  14. Mako

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    Yes, and it took a long time for me to put it together. Yes I've had it coded, just recently in fact, using actual spins (I don't have anything against PRNG, but don't play it locally so it wasn't something I had tested). Flat betting works, but the amount of spins is too high for a real-world session, so I use a positive progression that's small (think +1 on a hit, not exactly that but close).

    I had been doing well with Baccarat previously, but Covid wiped out the stadium play I needed for my play method to work. That forced me to look back into Roulette, and back to the source of information that I knew could be built upon because others had done it (verified privately to me previously).

    The basis of the approach is Turbo's work, his full credit frankly, specifically the unique way repeaters appear, rise, ebb, and continue. I kept getting stuck where @Gigi666 is currently, seeing test after test come back with great results only to be sabotaged by a single test that wrecked the session with a -1000u+ event. But I went back into the archives for guidance, reading everything about the subject and testing new approaches until something refused to fail.

    I won't go into details, but I will say it utilizes a few known events that anyone reading Turbo's section for long will be able to identify if they pursue the concepts. Focus on LOTT, focus on cycles, focus on figuring out what must happen in every 37 spin session always. That's the key.

    I don't argue with the mathbois in these threads, no point to it as frankly what do I care? If you feel 100% confident in an approach the trivial things tend to fall by the wayside for the most part. And the mathbois aren't wrong, the math is the math, but the key component is Turbo's repeating of the line that you don't need a number to hit better than 1:37 to take advantage of it. Many of the winning sessions I tested on this road had the bet selection numbers at LOWER rates, fully -EV, ala 1:44, 1:40, etc...and each session still won in the net.

    For the lurkers: Go BACK into Turbo's archive of posts, start at the FIRST topic he posted, read EVERYONE'S comments in that topic, then move on to the NEXT topic.

    It's THERE.
     
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    Have I mentioned I played the table minimum £1.
     
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    Appreciate the answer Mako! I will look into it once more!!!
     
  18. SPIKE

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    Most gamblers have the attention span of a gnat and them spending 1 hour doing research is a lifetime. I was lucky, I've never been a gambler. I screwed around with Blackjack only because it gave me something to do when my wife dragged me to the casino with her. Or when we went to Vegas. I have always been a researcher, in fact my minor in college was Library Science. I wanted to be a librarian. All my life I made lists of things I wanted to look up and two or three times a month I would go to the library and to Barnes and Noble and spend a couple of hours doing research.
    In 2004 on my wife's birthday we were at the casino and I was waiting for her to get done losing all her money. I was sitting at a slot machine not playing and watching the board of a roulette table. Never played roulette before in my life, knew nothing about it. As I sat there watching the outcomes I started guessing correctly what the next spin would be more often than not. Intrigued, I started to investigate it and found that the more I practiced the better I got. I had no idea at that time until I joined GG that this was not supposed to work. And that I was an idiot for even trying.
     
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    A running set of 7 pigeon holes based on the most recent spins has a greater than 50% chance of a match on a 38 pocket wheel. 7 of the most recent hits provides for a repeat within 8 spins (as the first spin can't be a repeat within a set of 8).

    Any generalised birthday calculation will show this.

    Oh look, here is one 8 spins and 38 pockets:
    Screenshot_20211201-073528_Chrome.jpg


    So based on the above birthday approximation we win with probability p = 0.5213770274 and lose with probability q = (1 - p) which is q = 0.4786229726.

    It's quite simple math to verify at this point.

    When we win we gain net 29 units, and when we lose we forfeit 7 units. Our expected value is (29 x p) - (7 x q) = 11.76 units which is +EV and slightly less than the authors paper due to a more pessimistic approximation to the birthday attack calculation.

    You can verify the birthday attack math independently on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_attack

    I've laid it out on a platter and and the sky is falling.

    Here is an extract of the paper and the authors proof:

    Screenshot_20211130-233946_Drive.jpg
     
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  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    That's only on live wheels where the wheel spins the same direction each spin. Over hundreds of thousands of spins it actually reduces the house edge slightly, but it's not a way to win consistently.
     
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