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Baccarat 5 column statistics

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by violater777, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Here you are. I will find this very interesting.

    Shoe, Hand, Result

    1732,1,P
    1732,2,P
    1732,3,B
    1732,4,P
    1732,5,P
    1732,6,B
    1732,7,B
    1732,8,P
    1732,9,B
    1732,10,B
    1732,11,P
    1732,12,P
    1732,13,P
    1732,14,B
    1732,15,B
    1732,16,P
    1732,17,P
    1732,18,P
    1732,19,B
    1732,20,B
    1732,21,B
    1732,22,P
    1732,23,B
    1732,24,B
    1732,25,B
    1732,26,B
    1732,27,B
    1732,28,B
    1732,29,B
    1732,30,B
    1732,31,P
    1732,32,P
    1732,33,B
    1732,34,B
    1732,35,B
    1732,36,B
    1732,37,P
    1732,38,B
    1732,39,B
    1732,40,B
    1732,41,P
    1732,42,B
    1732,43,B
    1732,44,B
    1732,45,B
    1732,46,B
    1732,47,B
    1732,48,B
    1732,49,P
    1732,50,B
    1732,51,P
    1732,52,P
    1732,53,B
    1732,54,B
    1732,55,P
    1732,56,B
    1732,57,B
    1732,58,P
    1732,59,P
    1732,60,B
    1732,61,B
    1732,62,B
    1732,63,B
    1732,64,P
    1732,65,P
    1732,66,B
    1732,67,B
    1732,68,B
    1732,69,B
    1732,70,P
    1732,71,P
    1732,72,P
    1732,73,P
    1732,74,P
    1732,75,P
    1732,76,B
    1732,77,B
    1732,78,B
    1732,79,B

    1733,1,B
    1733,2,B
    1733,3,P
    1733,4,P
    1733,5,B
    1733,6,B
    1733,7,P
    1733,8,P
    1733,9,B
    1733,10,P
    1733,11,B
    1733,12,B
    1733,13,B
    1733,14,P
    1733,15,P
    1733,16,P
    1733,17,B
    1733,18,P
    1733,19,B
    1733,20,B
    1733,21,P
    1733,22,P
    1733,23,B
    1733,24,P
    1733,25,B
    1733,26,P
    1733,27,P
    1733,28,P
    1733,29,P
    1733,30,B
    1733,31,P
    1733,32,B
    1733,33,B
    1733,34,B
    1733,35,P
    1733,36,B
    1733,37,P
    1733,38,P
    1733,39,P
    1733,40,B
    1733,41,P
    1733,42,P
    1733,43,P
    1733,44,B
    1733,45,B
    1733,46,B
    1733,47,P
    1733,48,P
    1733,49,B
    1733,50,P
    1733,51,B
    1733,52,B
    1733,53,B
    1733,54,B
    1733,55,P
    1733,56,P
    1733,57,B
    1733,58,B
    1733,59,P
    1733,60,B
    1733,61,B
    1733,62,P
    1733,63,P
    1733,64,B
    1733,65,B
    1733,66,B
    1733,67,P
    1733,68,B
    1733,69,B
    1733,70,B
    1733,71,P

    1734,1,P
    1734,2,P
    1734,3,P
    1734,4,B
    1734,5,B
    1734,6,P
    1734,7,P
    1734,8,P
    1734,9,B
    1734,10,P
    1734,11,B
    1734,12,P
    1734,13,P
    1734,14,B
    1734,15,P
    1734,16,P
    1734,17,B
    1734,18,P
    1734,19,P
    1734,20,B
    1734,21,B
    1734,22,B
    1734,23,P
    1734,24,B
    1734,25,P
    1734,26,P
    1734,27,B
    1734,28,P
    1734,29,B
    1734,30,P
    1734,31,B
    1734,32,P
    1734,33,P
    1734,34,P
    1734,35,B
    1734,36,B
    1734,37,B
    1734,38,B
    1734,39,P
    1734,40,B
    1734,41,B
    1734,42,B
    1734,43,B
    1734,44,P
    1734,45,B
    1734,46,B
    1734,47,B
    1734,48,B
    1734,49,P
    1734,50,P
    1734,51,P
    1734,52,B
    1734,53,B
    1734,54,P
    1734,55,B
    1734,56,P
    1734,57,B
    1734,58,P
    1734,59,B
    1734,60,P
    1734,61,B
    1734,62,P
    1734,63,P
    1734,64,B
    1734,65,B
    1734,66,P
    1734,67,B
    1734,68,B
    1734,69,P
    1734,70,B
    1734,71,P
    1734,72,P
    1734,73,P
    1734,74,B
    1734,75,B

    1735,1,B
    1735,2,B
    1735,3,P
    1735,4,B
    1735,5,P
    1735,6,P
    1735,7,B
    1735,8,B
    1735,9,B
    1735,10,P
    1735,11,B
    1735,12,B
    1735,13,B
    1735,14,B
    1735,15,B
    1735,16,P
    1735,17,P
    1735,18,B
    1735,19,P
    1735,20,P
    1735,21,B
    1735,22,P
    1735,23,B
    1735,24,P
    1735,25,B
    1735,26,P
    1735,27,P
    1735,28,P
    1735,29,B
    1735,30,P
    1735,31,B
    1735,32,P
    1735,33,P
    1735,34,P
    1735,35,P
    1735,36,B
    1735,37,B
    1735,38,B
    1735,39,P
    1735,40,P
    1735,41,B
    1735,42,B
    1735,43,B
    1735,44,B
    1735,45,B
    1735,46,B
    1735,47,B
    1735,48,P
    1735,49,P
    1735,50,B
    1735,51,B
    1735,52,B
    1735,53,P
    1735,54,B
    1735,55,P
    1735,56,B
    1735,57,B
    1735,58,P
    1735,59,B
    1735,60,B
    1735,61,P
    1735,62,B
    1735,63,P
    1735,64,B
    1735,65,B
    1735,66,B
    1735,67,B
    1735,68,B
    1735,69,B

    1736,1,B
    1736,2,P
    1736,3,B
    1736,4,P
    1736,5,B
    1736,6,B
    1736,7,P
    1736,8,B
    1736,9,B
    1736,10,P
    1736,11,P
    1736,12,P
    1736,13,B
    1736,14,B
    1736,15,B
    1736,16,B
    1736,17,B
    1736,18,P
    1736,19,B
    1736,20,B
    1736,21,B
    1736,22,P
    1736,23,B
    1736,24,B
    1736,25,P
    1736,26,B
    1736,27,B
    1736,28,B
    1736,29,P
    1736,30,P
    1736,31,P
    1736,32,B
    1736,33,P
    1736,34,B
    1736,35,P
    1736,36,P
    1736,37,B
    1736,38,B
    1736,39,P
    1736,40,P
    1736,41,B
    1736,42,P
    1736,43,P
    1736,44,P
    1736,45,B
    1736,46,B
    1736,47,B
    1736,48,B
    1736,49,B
    1736,50,P
    1736,51,B
    1736,52,B
    1736,53,P
    1736,54,P
    1736,55,P
    1736,56,B
    1736,57,B
    1736,58,B
    1736,59,B
    1736,60,P
    1736,61,P
    1736,62,P
    1736,63,P
    1736,64,B
    1736,65,P
    1736,66,P
    1736,67,B
    1736,68,B
    1736,69,B
    1736,70,P
    1736,71,B
    1736,72,B
    1736,73,P
    1736,74,B
    1736,75,B

    1737,1,B
    1737,2,P
    1737,3,B
    1737,4,B
    1737,5,B
    1737,6,B
    1737,7,P
    1737,8,B
    1737,9,P
    1737,10,B
    1737,11,P
    1737,12,B
    1737,13,P
    1737,14,B
    1737,15,B
    1737,16,B
    1737,17,B
    1737,18,P
    1737,19,B
    1737,20,P
    1737,21,P
    1737,22,P
    1737,23,B
    1737,24,B
    1737,25,P
    1737,26,P
    1737,27,P
    1737,28,B
    1737,29,P
    1737,30,B
    1737,31,B
    1737,32,B
    1737,33,P
    1737,34,B
    1737,35,B
    1737,36,B
    1737,37,P
    1737,38,B
    1737,39,P
    1737,40,B
    1737,41,P
    1737,42,B
    1737,43,B
    1737,44,P
    1737,45,P
    1737,46,B
    1737,47,P
    1737,48,P
    1737,49,P
    1737,50,P
    1737,51,B
    1737,52,P
    1737,53,B
    1737,54,P
    1737,55,P
    1737,56,B
    1737,57,P
    1737,58,B
    1737,59,P
    1737,60,B
    1737,61,P
    1737,62,B
    1737,63,P
    1737,64,B
    1737,65,P
    1737,66,P
    1737,67,P
    1737,68,P
    1737,69,P
    1737,70,P
    1737,71,B
    1737,72,P

    1738,1,P
    1738,2,P
    1738,3,P
    1738,4,B
    1738,5,B
    1738,6,P
    1738,7,B
    1738,8,P
    1738,9,B
    1738,10,P
    1738,11,B
    1738,12,B
    1738,13,B
    1738,14,P
    1738,15,P
    1738,16,P
    1738,17,B
    1738,18,B
    1738,19,B
    1738,20,P
    1738,21,B
    1738,22,B
    1738,23,B
    1738,24,B
    1738,25,B
    1738,26,P
    1738,27,B
    1738,28,P
    1738,29,P
    1738,30,P
    1738,31,P
    1738,32,B
    1738,33,B
    1738,34,B
    1738,35,B
    1738,36,P
    1738,37,B
    1738,38,B
    1738,39,B
    1738,40,B
    1738,41,B
    1738,42,B
    1738,43,B
    1738,44,P
    1738,45,B
    1738,46,B
    1738,47,B
    1738,48,P
    1738,49,P
    1738,50,P
    1738,51,P
    1738,52,B
    1738,53,P
    1738,54,P
    1738,55,P
    1738,56,B
    1738,57,P
    1738,58,P
    1738,59,B
    1738,60,B
    1738,61,P
    1738,62,B
    1738,63,P
    1738,64,P
    1738,65,B
    1738,66,P
    1738,67,P
    1738,68,P
    1738,69,B
    1738,70,P
    1738,71,B
    1738,72,B
    1738,73,B

    1739,1,B
    1739,2,P
    1739,3,P
    1739,4,B
    1739,5,B
    1739,6,B
    1739,7,P
    1739,8,P
    1739,9,B
    1739,10,B
    1739,11,B
    1739,12,P
    1739,13,P
    1739,14,B
    1739,15,P
    1739,16,B
    1739,17,B
    1739,18,B
    1739,19,B
    1739,20,B
    1739,21,P
    1739,22,P
    1739,23,B
    1739,24,P
    1739,25,B
    1739,26,B
    1739,27,P
    1739,28,P
    1739,29,P
    1739,30,B
    1739,31,B
    1739,32,B
    1739,33,P
    1739,34,P
    1739,35,B
    1739,36,P
    1739,37,P
    1739,38,P
    1739,39,P
    1739,40,P
    1739,41,B
    1739,42,P
    1739,43,P
    1739,44,B
    1739,45,P
    1739,46,P
    1739,47,B
    1739,48,P
    1739,49,B
    1739,50,P
    1739,51,B
    1739,52,P
    1739,53,P
    1739,54,P
    1739,55,P
    1739,56,P
    1739,57,P
    1739,58,B
    1739,59,P
    1739,60,B
    1739,61,P
    1739,62,B
    1739,63,P
    1739,64,B
    1739,65,B
    1739,66,P
    1739,67,B
    1739,68,B
    1739,69,B
    1739,70,B
    1739,71,B
    1739,72,B
    1739,73,P

    1740,1,B
    1740,2,P
    1740,3,P
    1740,4,B
    1740,5,B
    1740,6,B
    1740,7,B
    1740,8,P
    1740,9,P
    1740,10,P
    1740,11,P
    1740,12,P
    1740,13,B
    1740,14,B
    1740,15,B
    1740,16,B
    1740,17,B
    1740,18,P
    1740,19,B
    1740,20,B
    1740,21,B
    1740,22,B
    1740,23,P
    1740,24,P
    1740,25,P
    1740,26,P
    1740,27,B
    1740,28,B
    1740,29,B
    1740,30,B
    1740,31,B
    1740,32,P
    1740,33,P
    1740,34,B
    1740,35,P
    1740,36,B
    1740,37,B
    1740,38,B
    1740,39,B
    1740,40,B
    1740,41,B
    1740,42,B
    1740,43,B
    1740,44,P
    1740,45,B
    1740,46,P
    1740,47,P
    1740,48,P
    1740,49,P
    1740,50,B
    1740,51,B
    1740,52,B
    1740,53,B
    1740,54,P
    1740,55,B
    1740,56,B
    1740,57,P
    1740,58,B
    1740,59,B
    1740,60,B
    1740,61,B
    1740,62,P
    1740,63,B
    1740,64,B
    1740,65,P
    1740,66,B
    1740,67,B
    1740,68,P
    1740,69,B
    1740,70,P
    1740,71,B
    1740,72,P

    1741,1,P
    1741,2,P
    1741,3,P
    1741,4,P
    1741,5,P
    1741,6,B
    1741,7,B
    1741,8,B
    1741,9,B
    1741,10,P
    1741,11,P
    1741,12,P
    1741,13,P
    1741,14,P
    1741,15,B
    1741,16,P
    1741,17,B
    1741,18,B
    1741,19,B
    1741,20,B
    1741,21,P
    1741,22,B
    1741,23,B
    1741,24,B
    1741,25,P
    1741,26,B
    1741,27,P
    1741,28,P
    1741,29,P
    1741,30,B
    1741,31,B
    1741,32,B
    1741,33,P
    1741,34,B
    1741,35,B
    1741,36,P
    1741,37,B
    1741,38,B
    1741,39,B
    1741,40,P
    1741,41,P
    1741,42,P
    1741,43,P
    1741,44,B
    1741,45,B
    1741,46,P
    1741,47,B
    1741,48,B
    1741,49,P
    1741,50,P
    1741,51,B
    1741,52,P
    1741,53,P
    1741,54,P
    1741,55,P
    1741,56,P
    1741,57,B
    1741,58,B
    1741,59,P
    1741,60,B
    1741,61,B
    1741,62,P
    1741,63,B
    1741,64,P
    1741,65,B
    1741,66,B
    1741,67,B
    1741,68,P
    1741,69,P
    1741,70,P
    1741,71,P
    1741,72,P
    1741,73,P
    1741,74,P
    1741,75,B
     
  2. judge

    judge Active Member

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    Its funny you would rejuvenate your post from 3+ yrs. Yesterday I was looking through my notes and found your original post on 5 column. I had written down to ask about what is a "lapper' in the 3rd or 4th hole and had wondered about it. And this morning BAM!!! there you are. I guess I forgot about it until now. And now my curiosity is up again. f you would be so kind as to explaining your lapper theory.
     
  3. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It was fun revisiting this thread.
     
  4. violater777

    violater777 Member

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    Just checked these shoes. Playing the Lapper bet, I grossed a total of 4 units flat betting with a total of 28 betting opportunities. I didn't bother with the Player bet as that is not the bet in question. Here is what happened in each shoe:
    1) 0 units 2 bet opportunities
    2) -4 units 4 BO
    3) +4 units 4 BO
    4) +2 units 2 BO
    5) -1 units 3 BO
    6) +1 units 3 BO
    7) +1 units 1 BO
    8) -2 units 2 BO
    9) +2 units 4 BO
    10) +1 units 3 BO

    So you see, there are not many being opportunities per shoe. This is why I need to develop something to pair with it that could tread some water while I wait for my plays.
    Give me a day or 2 and I'll post the sections of the shoe that I played. The play is so simple that I won't have to post them all unless nobody understands it which I doubt will be the case.
     
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  5. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I don't know what the Lapper Bet is but I do know one could get more bets per shoe if using four roads. Some of them will overlap (be in conflict) but still should provide a bunch more chances. Then maybe don't need filler bets?

    J
     
  6. Jake0628

    Jake0628 Member

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    Have you tried four columns?
     
  7. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

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    Hi, Waiting for ur play of a shoe or two that will clear confusions about banker Lapper bets,appreciate ur Cooperation,thanks
     

  8. violater777

    violater777 Member

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    This bet is super easy to play. I identify a Bank Lapper as a Banker streak that runs off into the next column. I will provide an example of how it is played. I will use hands 16-25 of the third shoe.
    22
    P B P P B | B B P B. P
    W

    Hand 22 we would be placing a bet on Banker as the Banker streak from the previous column has lapped over into the next column. The bet happened to be a winner. I only bet this Lapper for the 3 hole or the 4 hole of a Banker streak. Win our lose, it's one and done. I bet once and win or lose, I will wait for my next betting opportunity.
    As an option, you could bet on any overlapping Banker streak, not just the 3 and 4 hole, for more betting opportunities. As I remember, it still holds a positive expectation, although I can't remember the percentages. I would have to dig up old notes.
    Well, that's it. Very easy and a winner. If any one could add something to this that makes it a little better, it would be appreciated.
    If anyone doesn't understand, I'll do my best to explain.
     
  9. violater777

    violater777 Member

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    Sorry. The format didn't come out correctly. Hand 22 was B and a winning bet.
     
  10. violater777

    violater777 Member

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    I have. I didn't have as much success as the 5 column. 4 column is good to use a betting template though.
     
  11. violater777

    violater777 Member

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    Never heard of four roads.
     
  12. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

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    Hi, I am bit confused, is banker lapper bet till 4th hole overlapping from previous ANY column or TILL 4th Column only ?thanks
     
  13. violater777

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    P 16
    B 17
    P 18
    P 19
    B 20
    /
    B 21
    B 22 Win
    P 23
    B 24
    P 25

    Hopefully this will look better.
     
  14. violater777

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    A Banker streak running over from any previous column. Only betting the 3rd or 4th hole of the Banker streak
     

  15. violater777

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    Shoe 3 Hands 31-40
    B
    P
    P
    P
    B
    /
    B
    B Win
    B
    P
    B
     
  16. violater777

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    Shoe 10 Hands 56-70

    P
    B
    B
    P
    B
    /
    B
    P Lose
    B
    P
    B
    /
    B
    B Win
    P
    P
    P
     
  17. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    So you are going with five hands and cutting off. If the sixth hand = fifth hand, FLD from sixth hand for the seventh hand bet.

    P
    B
    P
    B
    B
    /
    B
    B Win
    P
    P
    B

    For example?
     
  18. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    That's interesting. So you are betting that a banker two (PBB) will go to a 3 or 4 but only if it splits into the beginning of one of your five columns. Sort of randomizing the bet. I can try to test it. Do you play commission Baccarat or EZ Baccarat?
     
  19. violater777

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    Exactly. PBB and PBBB is the trigger for betting. The reason why I started calling it a Lapper bet is that it overlaps into the next column. Not sure what you mean "one of five columns" though.
     
  20. violater777

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    Mainly commission baccarat
     

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