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Roulette Math Players vs System Players

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Keyser Soze, Dec 11, 2021.

  1. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    The betting window at my States live dealer wheel is 20 seconds. At Bovada it's 40 seconds. I've never seen a one minute betting window at an online casino.
     
  2. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, my mistake. Its 30+ seconds.

    I don't bet online casino. Its illegal in my country. So I have problems with transfer of funds. I may face fines or jail time if caught. I do use online casino for testing purpose.
     
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  3. SERGIO

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    I understand your way of thinking, it is the common way of thinking and surely if I put myself in your place I would think like you.
    As I said, I have an extended family and I don't have time to play for hours.
    The idea of the software is for others to earn and I also earn by giving them the software, but at no time do I ask for money from your pocket, the software will be completely free, you can use it and verify that it works and you can earn consistently, after that, of course I will ask for a commission and the explanation is very simple.
    I have been working on this for 17 years with the idea of discovering a way to win, once I have achieved the form I will not waste any more time of my life to dedicate to the casino and roulette, because I have already lost 17 years.
    Now is the time to continue working to improve things, but not to play.
    The people who use the software will reward me for my effort and work and will make me earn money without having to work and waste my time at the casino or roulette.
    They have the opportunity to win without thinking and I win without having to work, I have already worked enough years to win.
    My idea is that, to be with my family, to know that other people are going to win thanks to me and at the same time, I also win, but what sense would it have to give my 17-year job to other people if I am not going to benefit.
    I'm sure what I'm going to do is much better than giving clues and making people waste their lives studying, because not everyone will succeed.

    By the way, I don't care what they think and say about me, I'm going to do what I see as correct and with what I feel good about.
    Your opinions towards me do not bother me the most, I understand them, I respect them because I could say and think the same towards you, the "roulette experts".
     
  4. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Sergio, don't get me wrong.

    I am not against marketing roulette systems betting strategy.

    This forum has a policy that don't allow marketing.

    You are violating this no marketing policy.

    This act of sly advertising on this forum constitute scamming.

    You want to sell your software.
    Do it the correct way.
    Don't use this no marketing forum to do your sly selling.

    It's my believe,

    Real systems winner don't sell NOTHING.
    Real systems winner collect cash from the casino.
     
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  5. Mako

    Mako Well-Known Member

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    SCAMIO crawled out from under his rock, the rent must be due again.

    Beware lurkers, he has absolutely nothing, is no one, and has never had two nickels to rub together. Trust us, we’ve known him for half a DECADE now, and he never changes. His entire gig is scamming people who are desperate, don’t fall for it.

    Do your own work, don’t look for shortcuts, put in the testing and eventually you’ll locate events that must happen within a given set of spins and that can be the foundation of your success moving forward.

    Or, you can pay SCAMIO to help you because he “talks to Vaddi” (he actually said that last week) and can teach you “Vaddi’s improved system”….

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLL9LOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  6. hotjohnnn

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    I do not know you but your posts here are the real deal.
    Real questions until the knife hits the bone.
    Funny thing is we all know how hard it is to win if it is possible but only a few show real numbers and their strategies.
    I have no coding skills and i could post just a very simple system for everyone here to see if we can make it work with a very light progression.
    I never checked the game by a mathematical point of view for years and that is the worst a player can do.
     
  7. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Spike, you are correct.

    It's all down to the betselection.
     

  8. Mako

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    I have no idea how Lucky plays, nor the math he utilizes as it’s far beyond my meager skills, but I believe 100% that he is legitimate in his approach and performs as he claims.

    That’s what happens when you have personally seen others demonstrate winning systems, and have adapted them yourself and are now winning. If one method of play works, then many work. It actually makes you less skeptical, not more….you’re more likely to see the possibility than prior. :)
     
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  9. Luckyfella

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    Mako describe it correctly.

    However, I must caution it takes a farking long time to find this needle in the haystack.

    That's why I wrote in my earlier post,

    It's impossible for many people.
    They are correct.

    I got my farking LUCKY breakthrough when I started to learn math.

    Else I will be cursing this game today.
     
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  10. SPIKE

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    You only need money management when your betting in periods when you should not be betting. So quit betting then, and save yourself the hassle of money management. Learn how to spot when the outcomes are playing your game and it's a good time to bet.
     
  11. Luckyfella

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    Spike, you still need a rules based method/strategy to spot the outcomes that's good time to win.

    Betselection and timing.

    Same thing what Mako wrote.

    Hey, we're all writing the same thing.
     
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  12. SPIKE

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    All my rules are written in sand, they are subject to change. Having hard fast rules for roulette is like nailing Jell-O to a wall. They're not going to last long. Everything has to be fluid, you have to start learning how to think randomly. This means doing this every day and looking at thousands and tens of thousands of outcomes eventually.
    Hundreds of thousands. Not on a computer printout, one by one as they occur. That's the only way you will ever figure this out. It's the only way you will ever understand how the game works.
     
  13. Luckyfella

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    Ok, There's a difference then.

    There are systems players who bet by fixed rules based strategy.

    There are systems players who bet using discretionary real time decision making.

    Both claim to win.

    The key acid test criteria,

    Flatbet.
    The more you play the more you win.


    Is it true in your case?
     
  14. hotjohnnn

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    I have no idea because i know nobody here personally but when you have all this experience from the game you can understand when somethng has value or not.
    I like real questions and answers but most REAL people.
     
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  15. hotjohnnn

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    Do you know any other way to do that without creating a statistical advantage?
     
  16. thereddiamanthe

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    @Luckyfella see if the bold is acceptable .. you'll know.
    In short, the English word for that is .. Royalties.
     
  17. Luckyfella

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    TRD, I have given a lot of thought about collecting "royalties".

    First, Sergio must stop doing sly marketing in no marketing policy forum.

    Issues to royalty collection.

    To give proof of the betting strategy I have to demonstrate the bet, example play a sample session on rsim.

    How to demonstrate the bet without revealing the strategy?
    If I showed you the bet, read my posts on forum you will get it. It's kindergarten stuff.

    Why will the buyer pay you royalty after he saw and understand the bet?

    Sergio's plan is to post beautiful chart of million spins.

    Anyone can post fake charts to tempt the buyer.

    See a real rsim sample session, then the buyer test the strategy himself is the proof required.

    That how you sell a shoe, shirt or car.

    That's why royalty collection, although it's great and attractive but it's not feasible.

    End of story.
     
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  18. SPIKE

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    I only flat bet. If I have to use a progression that means my bet selection is not good enough. To me using a progression means I'm covering up for my bad bets.
    And that can sometimes end badly.
     
  19. Luckyfella

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    The more you play the more you win.

    Why is this criteria important?

    Lets take for example hilo bet, you win 52% of the bets.

    In a hundred spins you win 52times lose 48times, profit from 100 spins equals 4 units.

    Play this 200spins 8units profit, 500spins 20units profit.

    You don't know which exact spin you win. There may be negative variance.
    There may be positive variance too.

    The more you play the more you win.

    The only thing you know is you win 52% of the time.

    It does not magically stop winning.
    Because you stop playing.
    How would you know you lose the next 100spins? And the next? How would you know which 100spins you win?
    If that's true, then the first assumption of winning 52% is wrong.
     
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  20. SPIKE

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    The more you play the more you subject yourself to the variance of the game. I do not care what your winning percentage is it's not going to hold if you just play and play. No matter what your winning percentage is there will be times when the outcomes put you so far in the hole it'll take you two days to get out. I only have a high winning percentage because I only bet when I see the betting conditions are good for my method. If I were to sit there and play and play on every outcome my percentage would go down to around 55% or lower. Then I would have to start using progressions and all kinds of crap, no thanks.
     

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