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TurboGenius Law of Thirds.....

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. 6th-sense

    6th-sense Active Member

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    everything that spins has a frequency ...do not assume it is stable...
     

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  2. 6th-sense

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    what i,m trying to say is everything is not based on basic maths...there's more to it than that...maths works great on a stable...roulette is not stable...soooooo what else is there
     
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    you really need to change your way of looking at the game
     
  4. TwoUp

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    I think your interpretation is not quite right. After the 2nd dozen has appeared the final dozen has a 12/37 probability. Which is always 3.07 spins. This is always the case to hit a particular dozen and doesn't depend on the past.

    The math shows that on average its 5.65 spins to hit all three dozens (or columns) or any set of 12 numbers that you want to call a dozen.

    The LOTT is a rule of thumb as it is very close to the results of the math but doesn't really provide the reasoning as to why it is so.

    So I will attempt to demystify the LOTT and give you the means to calculate required spins for any number of unique numbers which may be useful for attacking certain situations when they occur.

    Every number has 1/37 probability and that's the true odds of the event, so the long term average it takes 37/1 = 37 spins (by flipping the probablity) for a number to appear.

    The probability of the first number appearing is 37/37= 1 as we don't care what the number is, the probability is always 100%. This now leaves 36 numbers that haven't hit.

    So that means the probability of the next unique number is 36/37, and this takes on average 37/36 spins (1.02 spins) which is ever so slighlty more than 1 spin as the first number can repeat occasionally. This now leaves 35 unique numbers that haven't hit.

    And likewise the probability of the third unique number is 35/37 as there are 35 unique numbers remaining, and this takes on average 37/35 spins (1.05 spins), again we just flip the probability fraction to get the spin count.

    We expect each unique number to appear with the following probabilities 37/37, 36/37, 35/37, 34/37, 33/37, 32/37 ... 2/37, 1/37.

    In terms of number of spins we just flip those probabilities to get the required spin counts for each unique number to appear and add them all up.

    (37/37 + 37/36 + 37/35 + 37/34 + ... 37/2 + 37/1).

    You will notice every number has 37 on the top so we can take that common term out and get:
    37 × (1/37 + 1/36 + 1/35 + 1/34 + ... 1/2 + 1/1)

    Which equals 155 spins on average to cover ALL numbers on the wheel.

    And we can also just calculate to say 10 unique numbers:

    37 × (1/37 + 1/36 + 1/35 + 1/34 + 1/33 + 1/32 + 1/31 + 1/30 + 1/29 + 1/28) = 11.47 spins on average.

    And for 23 unique numbers it's the 37 spin cycle:
    37 × (1/37 + 1/36 + 1/35 + 1/34 + 1/33 + 1/32 + 1/31 + 1/30 + 1/29 + 1/28 ... 1/15 + 1/14) = 37.79

    Which is why the LOTT says in 37 spins we get 23 unique numbers, with 14 unhit numbers meaning that of the 23 that hit, we have 14 repeaters in a 37 spin cycle on average.

    The statistical evidence confirms exactly what the math predicts.

    We can also expect on average that approximately 14 of the 23/24 numbers in the first cycle are included the second cycle and 9 new numbers from the unhit numbers in the prior cycle will now be hit.

    Basically every 37 spins trades out 9 numbers for 9 new numbers, on average. After 155 spins, we cover all 37 numbers on average.

    Again these are averages, but they are fairly stable norms. Yes there will be slight variance and even outliers, given a billion spins we can expect to see rare events such as a number to not hit in over 400 spins, and we may see up to 32 unique numbers in 37 spins.
     
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  5. Naughty but nice

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    Fantastic piece of work. Shame others can't post piece's of work that help; not the usual bashing/trolling.
    Again nice work.
    Dane came up with all could be gone in, think said 144 spins.
    On FOBT's use to see often all could hit with-in 120 spins.
     
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  6. Parsifal

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    New high at spin 1138 :) Not sure this is scientific proof of anything, but pretty amazing that I could do it flatbetting, playing dozens only. No sign of house edge, and I didn’t deal with the 0 in any way.
     
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  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    It looks completely random.
     

  8. Parsifal

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    Less random? Is it actually working now?

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  9. treetopbuddy

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    The Law of Thirds is an easy concept to understand but putting in a workable system that generates sweet cake has me completely completely mystified. Could it be that there is no practical application of the law?
     
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  11. Denzie

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    If you select your numbers with knowing the future outcomes and the proper progression it's all it takes. How many hot numbers will stay hot in the next cycle? How many numbers will stay cold in the next cycle? And how many numbers we need to appear above average with our progression that covers the numbers that failed from our selection? (1 in 4 or 5)

    If 37 spins cycle isn't clear ...use 111 or whatever it takes to build your method around. You only need to be right on a couple of numbers to get in profit. A hot number staying hot for example and a cold number waking up for example
     
  12. mr j

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    Dont use a progression (negative) you goofball.

    Ken
     
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  13. Denzie

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    I'll listen to TG any day of the week and make more units playing so. Positive progression isn't even a question at this point .

    You just carry on with your flat-betting
     
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    My post said NEGATIVE progression. Its funny how you are on the HOT number(s) train.
    A day late and a dollar short (LMAO). In fairness to you, I guess its better to "see it" late vs. ignoring it forever.

    Ken
     
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  15. Denzie

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    It's the internet and you haven't proven a single thing about a winning method or actual results. One can say and claim what they want if they don't need to prove it. (Myself incl)

    In your case: playing only a few numbers that are hot is something most cats know but actually catching them is another thing ...

    From where I sit ...I still see that picture of you with those funny( oldschool) glasses and at the same time talking smack lmao ... common now , nobody's impressed.

    Back on topic...TG basically said which numbers to play . Add them in the selection and always up on a win
     
  16. mr j

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    Well no kidding moron. As I have said many times ... the WHEN (and why) of adding newer numbers, the WHEN (and why) dropping numbers is the KEY to it all.

    Ken
     
  17. mansi19896

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    if your really winning, how many units total and with what bankroll. How many spins you have lasted
     
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  18. Denzie

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    Total real life units that's private for obvious reasons. But I play weekly as it's enough.
    At RS 500k , at RX millions since its coded .

    My br = 1000u anything more than this would be crazy imo .

    Anyway everything is already said by TG . Roulette spitting out predictable patterns and its on us to exploit it. We need to be right on 1 or 2 numbers depending how many numbers being played. Does the rfh occur? Yes , it does but we're playing a positive progression with a fixed br. Take the loss and win the next one ...
     
  19. mansi19896

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    i dont trust this simulator. I always won there, but when i went to real life you literally felt the difference and results were opposite.
    Only real casino spins matter.
    How can you even trust some site who is made up by someone instead of playing for real. it starts to create feeling like that place is meant to people who still get the feeling of winning
     
  20. mansi19896

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    obvious reasons in/for what ? private matter should be amount of money not telling not some silly units
     
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