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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. TwoUp

    TwoUp Well-Known Member

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    He's a "method actor". A pretend high roller.
     
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  2. Nathan Detroit

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    Interesting post about the Ukraine .


    Thx.
     
  3. TwoUp

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    So what makes a "betting situation"? How can you identify a "favourable situation" from one that is not?

    Are there no rules or criteria or is it just the "vibe of it" a mystical precognition?

    You say it's random and independent and yet you claim you have an eye to identifying a right time to make a bet where that random and independence does not apply at the normal expectations of 18/38 (47%). You claim 80%.

    What distinguishes the two "situations" and leads to a "not predicting" bet which you call an "edumacted guess" that in your words like clockwork predictably wins 80% of the time.

    If your bet wins 80% or more, that right there is a prediction. You claim to only need 5 units of drawdown and 99% of the time you are +1unit in 5 bets maximum.

    My gosh, will you look at all those inconvenient predictions you made.
     
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    Spikes logic:

    while (profit < 1) {
    should_bet = precognition_signal();
    if (should_bet) {
    switch (profit) {
    case -1:
    profit += better_guess();
    break;​
    case -2:
    profit += even_better_guess();
    break;​
    case -3:
    profit += even_betterer_guess();
    break;​
    case -4:
    profit += uber_edumacted_guess();
    break;​
    default:
    profit += educated_guess();​
    }​
    if (profit < -5) {
    lie();​
    }​
    }​
     
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  5. SPIKE

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    Nose open Spotify. No but it's there extra.
    You math people are the ones that use words like magic and clairvoyance and fortune telling and precognition, not me. I never use those words.
     
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    You're the one that keeps saying I must be in a nursing home because I'm in my early 70's. Why would you even think something so ridiculous if it weren't true in your own country.
     
  7. SPIKE

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    When the outcomes are playing my specific game I might want to make a bet. If I a simplistic method where I only bet when red is dominating and I see six of the last eight spins have been red I might want to bet red. My games are more complicated than that but that's a good example. A rule I might have is don't bet when it's not playing your game. But I have no rules that are set in stone that every time a certain thing happens I make a bet. Those kind of rules don't work with random outcomes.
     

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    You're doing it right there, bringing the supernatural into the conversation. I never use words like precognition or magic, only you weirdo superstitious math cult people do that.​
     
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    Are you saying that if you took us up on this bet, you would be giving US something for nothing? That's for sure. What would you be giving away? Your method is to remain confidential. We don't care about how you play your "method", we want the bet to prove whether or not it can produce a 55% win rate, let alone an 80%.You should take us up on this bet, because if you are being honest, its an easy 1,000.00. I think if the results showed a 55% or better win rate, we would be estatic to pay you because it would be a good investment on our part because it would prove that you have been honest all along, and that there truly is a method of play that can beat the casinos. Even though your method remains a secret, it would give us a hope to persue ideas because we have finally learned for sure there truly is a way out there that can be a full time winner. If you don't take us up on this bet, it is the final, absolute proof that you have been full of bs all along.
     
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    No you wouldn't, I guarantee you would find something wrong with the results and refuse to pay me. I've been down this road before but it didn't involve money. Many years ago twice I tried to show people in a real casino and even though they were seeing it unfold right in front of them they didn't believe it. They thought it was a fluke or luck and they wanted more and more and more proof. Just like you would, I know that for a fact. That's how these kind of things work.

    LOLOLOL! I love how you people set yourself up as the final arbiters, you think you have the final word on something. You have the final word on nothing. Your opinion about what I do means absolutely nothing to me, why would it. It has nothing to do with anything I do. I'm going to keep playing and keep getting paid to play whatever you believe. Let me explain something to you, pal. You are on the outside looking in and I'm on the inside not giving a damn. You think I'm full of BS, get in the long line, I've been hearing that for 16 years. It affects me not at all.
     
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    Yep, just as I thiught, bull shit excuses. You are a true loser. You know your METHOD will not prove even a 50% win rate. And as far as excuses for not paying you, you don't understand anything (other than how to lie). When you put money into escrow, agreements are drawn up for who gets the money under all the agreed upon and signed criteria. If it is agreed that your strategy was to be coded, and must show a 55% win rate under an agreed upon number of outcomes, the money can only go to you by law if that is the outcome of the test. If the test shows less than a 55% win rate, we get the money. You talk about me being afraid to play my strategy for real money, let's talk about you being scared to death to put your method to a rael test. We call you a liar, and we are willing to put our money where our mouth is. There is one thing that you have proven without a shadow of a doubt, you are all talk and no show. Your existance on this thread is worthless, you have absolutely nothing to offer other than arguing with those who know ions more than you do. You constantly prove on a daily basis what a fool you are. Speaking of lol, lol, lol, you give us a good dose of that every time you open your mouth. You wanna bet?
     
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    Not excuses, just the truth. People who propose these kind of things are never satisfied with what you show them they always want more and more and more proof. You are no different, none of you are. Anybody who would take up an offer like this is a fool. They are opening a can of worms that they could never close. As for the rest of your post it's just the same old drivel, why do you even bother to write it because nobody reads it, I don't. That's why I never respond to it.
     
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    Because you are feeble.
     

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    See, there's this thing with progressions - if you look at them as some kind of betting schemes, only a few of them have an exact outline. Up when you lose - Martingale, up when you win - I don't remember the name, some in the middle of them - D'Alambert and a few more.

    There are some in which the bet is calculated according to current bankroll and the value of the advantage.
    But there's also a bunch of them without names created by someone...

    It is important to understand that the progression is not a weapon that can beat the casino. In order to win you need to have firstly the advantage !
    However, there are some situations where a betting scheme may help.

    If a player has a +25% advantage, the best strategy is to bet as much as his bankroll allows.
    However, if player has a +3% advantage, a betting plan may help. A player rarely has an unlimited bankroll or such a big one that it can be considered as such.
    That is, most often, there will be a situation where the bankroll is not sufficient for the game and the advantage is around those +3%.

    In such situations it is very important to really evaluate the target and correctly calculate or create a betting scheme.

    This whole litany I wrote to make it clear, that there is no simple answer to your question and the player himself must show his creativity...himself something calculate etc...
     
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    So you do have rules even after you said rules cannot be used to beat random.

    You now allude to having a portfolio of rules and huristics that you use to make a decision to bet. There has to be some logical basis for the decision to bet, otherwise you are saying your "method not strategy" is simply mystical precognition.

    But then you go and say there is no logic, no rules, rules are impossible with random, but you then go and say that yoy predict you will win 80% of the time every time you bet and win +1 unit by bet five, 99% of the time and have never been in the 1% ever.

    Your handwaving has descended into a real shit show,m and this is precisely the point of my posts. To drag out just how illogical you are, and that your "method not strategy" requires one to embrace and celebrate cognitive dissonance, ignorance of math logic and science.

    Clearly you are of feeble mind.
     
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    Using a "method" implies you play methodically. How is that different from a system? You have said you use at least 3 rules: 1) Bet when the outcomes are following your game. But a game without rules isn't a game at all; rules are part of the definition of "game". 2) You use the last 12 outcomes to make your bet (so you told us). 3) You "go with the flow". That's pretty vague and open to interpretation. For example, suppose the last few outcomes are BRRBRR. Going with the flow in this case could mean either that you follow the pattern one B followed by two R, in which case you would bet B, or else it could mean R is dominating, so you bet R. But since these are mutually exclusive you must have another rule to decide, perhaps using spins prior to that sequence, or something else. But whatever it is, there must be some criteria which causes you to bet one way rather than the other. If you don't care one way or the other you would bet either R or B randomly, in which case how can that result in an edge? Of course it can't. And you say "there is a very limited number of ways to beat roulette soundly and I'm using the best one". Again, if you don't have rules how can you weed out all the ways in which you can't beat roulette?

    And the fact that you're accusing TwoUp of trying to get the details of how you play implies that you can teach someone else how to play your method. You said yourself you've explained it to others in the casino. If there were no rules how could you do this? Telling them to look at the last 12 outcomes and go with the flow and invent a game won't work because those instructions are far too vague; there are thousands of ways they could do all that and lose.
     
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    That is very laud...You are the best, but nobody never will see how you play...This leads to some thoughts :)
    Look, basically I am a VB player.
    And I was sitting at a table with another VB player (98%) and I couldn't understand how he was playing.
    Believe me - I'm not the worst VB player...

    There were situations when another VB player wanted to understand how I play and most likely never did despite the fact that we communicated live for probably more than 5 years...

    So even in VB, there are many variations...and figuring out who is using what is often very difficult.
     
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    It is based on the fact that only 3 patterns can form. Alternating XOXO, Doubles XXOO and Streaks XXX 3 or more. I know what has happened in the past has nothing to do with the next outcome. However, I know that certain patterns will form. Deciding which one is the key.

    I made a simple change to the strategy that seems to help a lot. I do some outcome skipping under certain happenings. When you have a chance, you really need to try this for yourself on a craps simulator. I always do my testing on a roulette simulator because the Red and Black patterns are easier to see. When you use a craps simulator you have to write the patterns down because there is no record given. The zeros on the Roulette simulator really screw things up though.

    To start, allow for 6-7 outcomes before placing a bet. XXOXOXXX When you examine the example pattern above, what do you see? A double, an alternating and a streak. So, what should the next bet be? I would bet X figuring the streak will continue.For ease of explanation, I will show what to do for 6 losses in a row starting from the pattern already generated leaving a space between.

    The first bet would be on X but an O appears XXOXOXXX O

    Because a possible alternating pattern is beginning, Skip the next outcome to see what may take place. If an X appears, continue betting opposite of each outcome until it ceases alternating. XXOXOXXX OXOX However, an O appears, 1st loss. XXOXOXXX OO It appears as though doubles are forming. Skip the next outcome to see if that's the case, If an X appears, bet X. again. If the X hits, Bet O, then O then X again, OOXXOO until the double pattern ceases. However, Another O appears.2nd loss.

    XXOXO XXX OOO. A new pattern has formed, You now have 3 X's and 3 O's in a row. Skip the next outcome to see if that pattern will potentially continue. If The next outcome is an X, bet X again and so on. XXXOOOXXXOOO or until it ceases. However, the next outcome is an O again, so you now have: 3rd loss.

    XXOXO XXX OOOO. It now appears as if the streak is going to continue, so bet O. If an O does come up then continue betting O until the streak ceases. However, an X comes up. You now have: 4th loss

    XXOXO XXX OOOOXOO XO. If you look closely at the pattern, you will notice an O precedes an X and O. OXO. No need to skip an outcome just bet X figuring the alternating pattern will continue.

    I demonstrated above, 6 losses in a row, but in actual play you would have hit one of the patterns correctly. The thinking here is continuing to build a pattern that has formed previously or is beginning to form. The idea behind skipping outcomes sometimes is to let the skipped outcome help determine what most likely is about to happen. Of course and no doubt, it still comes down to guess work. The Marty gives you 6 chances to guess it right and with experience, the guessing gets better and better. I take it you are one who believes that patterns forming in the past have nothing to do with the future. Therefore, you most likely never tried anything that has to do with pattern betting. Give this a serious try. And pay real close attention to the patterns formed and remember they do repeat. Try it, I think you'll like it. It works really well for me, and I just cannot believe it is all just based just on luck.

    Oh by the way, you can also flat bet this strategy also. Bet your base unit until down 4 units from your last highest win. This takes longer because it will go down 3, down 2, down 3, down 2, down 1, and all over the place. When down 4 units, your base bet is now 2 units. Flat bet 2 units until 3, 2 unit bets down, then raise to 4 units until recovery to the last highest win.
     
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    This is the corner you alone painted yourself into.

    You repeatedly said you can't beat random with rules so you simultaneously say that you don't have a methology (which is a set of rules) yet you play a "method". So unless there is logic, rules or huristics to guide your betting "method" the only thing left is precognition and mysticism.

    Even if you concede that your "method" has rules you are still faced with the fact you said the past results don't matter, but yet you also just said you need the past 12 results to decide at least one of your betting triggers.

    So basically you are comfortable with bullshit and lying.
     
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