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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. Benas

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    Yes, but that is not enough to win. I think that my results will be say 10 and up to maybe 30 or 32 on the half wheel (18 pockets ). It is slightly better but not much. But the main factor is that when I play - I have no long series of losses...and because of that can work some manipulations with betting highness. Now only left to understand if that no long losing series is a "must", or that is more luck...:)
     
  2. baccarou

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    TwoUp,

    I had some time to look at the Regression to the mean page you posted up. It explains things very well, thank you!
    It leaves me wondering if it would be a good idea to see if the percentages are higher than what's in the page you linked to for the patterns with a shorter waiting time after seeing something like PPPP or any outlier combination for that matter with a longer waiting time. I have quite a bit of data and so it should reveal something.

    Thanks again.
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Regression to the mean is of no value whatsoever. Numbers are never due to catch back up if they've been cold. They're only expected to hit at expectation moving forward. Hitting at expectation is still a negative value.
     
  4. SPIKE

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    Could you explain what this means. I think I have an idea but I need to know exactly what you mean.

    I think the D'Alam is far superior to the Martingale it's really the only progression I would use if I used a progression. But you are correct if you don't have the advantage over the casino to begin with all progressions are a waste of time. All they do is delay the inevitable.
     
  5. SPIKE

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    Even with my hit rate I would never attempt the Martingale because of the zeros. Just last night I got two zeros in a row on my first bets and I'm already on step number three of the Martingale if I'd been doing that. Who needs that kind of pressure just to win one unit. The risk against return is insane and anybody who plays it is insane.
     
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    The player can lose because the advantage is on the casino side - that is the main reason.
    But even if he has some small edge - he can lose because of dispersion if he uses some progression such as for example sharp martingale. Because dispersion is when you lost say your bankroll faster than your advantage will give you a win...
    Are progressions which increase dispersion and such which minimize...
    When a player has an edge - dispersion works against him...
     
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  7. Nathan Detroit

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    Good Bue EC fallacy .Rhere are better ways inside . 22 numbers plus edge ..
     

  8. David Gregory

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    The D'alambert is the worst progression I have ever tried. The screen shot below is a session I played using the D'alem. At spin 111 there was a 500.00 drop down. I reverted back to the Marty and recouped the loss and went on to win 320.00. That's a 820.00 swing.
     

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  9. SPIKE

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    LOL! That's because you have no advantage to begin with, what did you think was going to happen. Actually the Martingale is the worst you ever used you just don't know it yet. You'll see.
     
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    David,

    Can you explain the betting simulator that you're using?

    Also, why are you posting the betting results of only 126 spins? Also, was a bet made on each spin?
     
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    Because my goal per sesion is to win 64units. I only posted that graph to show how the D'alembert progression sucks. Every now and then I skip a spin to assess the situation. Sometimes it only takes 126 spins. I have over 327 sessions where the graphs look close to identical as attached below. The betting simulator I am using is:

    https://roulette-simulator.info/en/simulator/?mode=simple&sess=MIKE3T3I
     

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    What is the longest streak that you've witnessed on either the red or the black?
     
  13. David Gregory

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    16, I couldn't believe it. However, I have seen seen this also: XOXOXOXOXOXO, 12 in a row.
     
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    Those X's and O's they haunt you..

     

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    Martingale is good but should be limited to 7 units the bet selection should do the rest .
     
  16. SPIKE

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    Actually that's quite a lot for pseudo-random. You will see much more radical results on a real wheel. I saw 28 Red's in a row once in Las Vegas many years ago. I've seen chops go 18 or 20 spins easily.
     
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    That would be a 3-step Marty. You would have to have a pretty good selection to make that work. I never tried it but I think I'll give it a shot.
     
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    That's encouraging to hear. Lengthy streaks and chops is how I win the most units. Doubles also. XXOOXXOO.Play units of course. But lots of em.
     
  19. SPIKE

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    But it also does other things pseudo-random does not do which is not very encouraging. You'll see.
     
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