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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Spike you are not alone even John Patrick was called controversial,

    Good Company to be in .

    FRor 10 years I was an active member at Patricks message board .


    Taht was a place to be respectful or out you went .
     
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  3. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    I do not play on Sims I only use actuals from real casino wheels when I practice. I have been using Roulette Xtreme for years they get their actuals from German casinos on a daily basis. The pseudo-random outcomes from Sims are useless in the real world.
     
  4. juice

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    I didn't interpret Winners words to be directed towards the entire topic, just the towards the constant bashing.
    Anyway Spike, just keep on keeping on. There are many of us that understand exactly what you are doing and you are not alone.
    There are things in this world that people pick up on without there being any actual formula to their intuition.
    As an example, some people might walk into a room where there is a married couple in the middle of a spat.
    1/2 the people will immediately sense the tension between the couple and the other 1/2 won't pick up on it at all.
    When they leave the room and the tension is mentioned amongst them in general conversation, the 1/2 that didn't sense a thing could never be convinced that they are wrong. Even if the married couple themselves were to admit to the argument.
    To each their own.
    Best of luck to all.
     
  5. gizmotron

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    I wonder why you say that. I have never had a problem with real fair pseudo RNG. It's the ones designed to cheat you that mess me up. My practice software is a fair RNG. It creates a new "Random Seed" each time the application starts up or each time your computer is turned off and on. It has no targeting algorithms. I use it to practice. So the R-Sim looks to be pretty good. I've started the validation process for Reading Randomness. I play one or two sessions per day. My goal is to make about $50 to $60 per session. These are all regulated games that anyone can look at and see all my bet choices and amounts. I'm just playing to win. It doesn't take long and it should make for an interesting follow on to Reading Randomness.
     
  6. David Gregory

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    You cannot compare Spike to Hendrix in any form. That's an insult to Henrix. Hendrix had 10 fingers, his guitar had 6 strings. He played the guitar up-side down. However, no guitar player would ever argue that what he accomplished was impossible. He played the guitar witn an uncanny ability, advanced over those of the time. But stll, way within the realm of what's possible. Others now can play just as well or better than he. The arguement with Spike is, he is mathematically out-side of the realm of what's possible. Not a mathematician around would agree with what he claims. I claim this, I claim that, I claim, I claim. That's easy. Anybody can claim whatever they like. But when tested, will it hold up? I guess we will never know here. It doesn't actually matter one way or the other. He is the one who has to live with his claims, not us.
     
  7. Winner

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    First off there’s no secret second there’s nothing to show the heading is ask you question so maybe your the one with the secret since you started this thread .the stupid part is that your bickering over a fucking wheel so fucking dumb .everyone has a choice to stay stupid. I’m not directing this to anyone but man get over who’s right and who’s wrong
     
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  8. Winner

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    You have black and you have red pick one that’s how simple it is
     
  9. David Gregory

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    Yeah, I think you are right. I do not need to post here any longer. There is nothing here of any interest to me anyway, other than what you and Median Joe have to offer. It is nothing more than the mentally ill arguing with the psychiatrists.
     
  10. Benas

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    So I already suggested you take a look - but you gave in the bushes with all your 80% :happy:
    I am not that who can guess 80%... But somehow I have a feeling that mine 55% will be enough :)
     
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  11. SPIKE

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    [QUOTE="Benas, post: 147996, member: 4250" But somehow I have a feeling that mine 55% will be enough [/QUOTE]

    I used to do 55% when I first started and it's hardly worth playing cuz all you do is lose and then you win some. You really have to get well over 60% to make it worthwhile unless you want to spend all your time playing and if that's true you have other problems that only a shrink can help you with. The reason I kept going was I saw my hit rate was improving the more I practiced and I wanted to see how high I could go. I was stuck at 70% for a long time it's only been since I started playing exclusively online that it has gone to 80%. I seriously doubt I can do 80% in a brick-and-mortar casino because I won't be there long enough and I won't see enough spins. Brick-and-mortar casinos are scary to me now because they're so inefficient and time consuming. You wait so long for the dealer to make the payouts that you almost forget why you're there. I haven't been to a brick-and-mortar casino since 2019 pre covid and I'll probably never go back.
     
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    I asked for a yes or no answer, you gave me handwaving. Read more about handwaving here https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Handwave

    If the answer is YES answer this:

    • If you believe the ball has equal chance to land in any pocket then why do you believe your guess has 80% chance to win and not 18/37 or 18/38?
    • How can it be both 18/37 (48%) and 80% at the same time?

    If the answer is NO, answer this:

    • What is the reason for the probability to change?
    • What is stopping the ball from landing in any of the pockets and now only some of them?

    As per your topic I am asking you about betting the EC's. You just refuse to answer.
     
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  13. Nathan Detroit

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    Some B & M casinos are calculating 30 spins per hour as part of their comp calculations .
     
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    That seems like under-calculating for the benefit of the casino.

    If that is actual then that is truely a low average spin rate, and would be indicative of poor training.
     

  15. Nathan Detroit

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    I am entitled spending 3 days a month at a luxury casino .It is my money not my critics .


    There is such a thing as a recreational player not running after a p enny .
     
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    And yet blackjack players make gains with just 1.5% edge. Using all the techniques available a skilled AP player may get max 2-3% edge.

    A blackjack AP makes bank with a slim 1.5% edge and you claim you couldn't win with a fat 6-7% over the 18/37 or 18/38.

    This is how we know your story is all fantasy.
     
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  17. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    But the spins per hour one plays . Depending upon the game about 3.5 hours .
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    I will never be caught in that comp game . My net winnings are rat holed . My edge with

    bringing the proper bankroll.
     
  19. Nathan Detroit

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    Too much is being made about Black Jack . It`s really not what it promises or what is made of it .
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

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    That comp quote came from Caesars Las Vegas and was identical to the one at one casino in Atlantic City.
     

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