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Baccarat Tool for renting , no need to send me any money upfront

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by victor nguyen, Apr 19, 2020.

  1. Punkcity

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    Yes always good someone can enjoy someone’s tool. Good to see you love your tool. No I’m not mocking you . I’m just trying to save you money and time, if you martingale and you lose $128 only once you have to win 129 more times to get your money back, plus $1 for profit. There is better ways to make money for the program you are selling. Don’t be lazy. You think with your little tool peanut maker. Work it out . You can be as rich as Donald .
    8:2billion people on the planet and you offer a martingale , don’t be cheap and lazy give them something better to use your tool on, its obvious you can’t use your own tool the it should be used.
    -A soft tool is useless as that’s what a martingale tool is . its limp after losing 6 or more bets then you have to beat a soft tool after 1:2minutes to try and get money back. You need to develop a big hard working tool something that makes you proud to display to the world, you want people to climb over each other to use you big tool. You want people to tell everybody about how strong your tool is and how much they enjoy it.
    -You need to be able to stand in front of people and they will automatically know that it’s you Vincent the strong tool guy. No more scurrying around some pocky internet sites with a soft marty tool. Be strong don’t be cheap and lazy. You can do it Vincent , if you think you are happy with a soft marty tool imagine how much happier you be with a strong dominant tool for people to and yourself to play with. Remember rehab is for quitters.
    Cheers
     
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  2. Punkcity

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    Sorry I’m really am sozz I called you Vincent . my apologies victor .
    Sozz.
    Cheers
     
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    Evolution Gaming’s Live Baccarat VIP
     
  4. Lousy Gambler

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    The longest I have seen of a banker run was 30 in a row at a $25 minimum table in the Bally's casino, Atlantic City, before Twin River Holdings bought it in 2020.

    It was on my wife's birthday over 11 years ago as my oldest is now 11 and it was before she was born.

    I gave her $200 to mess around earlier in the day as she lost all of what she brought for that weekend. My wife is a horrible casino gambler as she just never wins no matter what she plays. Anyway, we saw it as we were walking around in the casino and it was already at 14 bankers in a row, so it had a nice long dragon tail.

    I told her to sit down and start betting banker as there was only one seat open, but she said no as she wanted to go shopping with the money I gave her. That wasn't very smart as the banker run went on for another 16 before the shoe ended and what's amazing was that there were no ties in that crazy run.

    What's even more crazy was that practically NO ONE was betting the run.

    If I knew back then what I learned recently, I would have won a lot as I would have followed it until it was over and the trend never broke before the shoe ended.

    One really old guy tried to bet the player after about 20 bankers and the dealer took the plastic hammer out of the money box and banged the table and pushed the $25 player bet back to the old guy and wagged the hammer at him basically telling him not to do that. The dealers aren't allowed to do that and that was pretty funny what happened. The old guy saved money as it was still the Banker and finished with it to the end.

    Just imagine if anyone did the positive Martingale at some point. He or she could have easily cleared the rack and the casino would have to fill the rack multiple times to pay out the winnings.
     
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  5. Rond1nell1

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    [QUOTE="The longest I have seen of a banker run was 30 in a row at a $25 minimum table in the Bally's casino, Atlantic City, before Twin River Holdings bought it in 2020.

    It was on my wife's birthday over 11 years ago as my oldest is now 11 and it was before she was born.

    I gave her $200 to mess around earlier in the day as she lost all of what she brought for that weekend. My wife is a horrible casino gambler as she just never wins no matter what she plays. Anyway, we saw it as we were walking around in the casino and it was already at 14 bankers in a row, so it had a nice long dragon tail.

    I told her to sit down and start betting banker as there was only one seat open, but she said no as she wanted to go shopping with the money I gave her. That wasn't very smart as the banker run went on for another 16 before the shoe ended and what's amazing was that there were no ties in that crazy run.

    What's even more crazy was that practically NO ONE was betting the run.

    If I knew back then what I learned recently, I would have won a lot as I would have followed it until it was over and the trend never broke before the shoe ended.

    One really old guy tried to bet the player after about 20 bankers and the dealer took the plastic hammer out of the money box and banged the table and pushed the $25 player bet back to the old guy and wagged the hammer at him basically telling him not to do that. The dealers aren't allowed to do that and that was pretty funny what happened. The old guy saved money as it was still the Banker and finished with it to the end.

    Just imagine if anyone did the positive Martingale at some point. He or she could have easily cleared the rack and the casino would have to fill the rack multiple times to pay out the winnings.".[/QUOTE]

    I liked the stories.
    And one thing I learned. Follow the trend or do nothing.
     
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  6. Lousy Gambler

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    Last night, I missed out on winning easy 20+ units at a $100 minimum table, because I could not see the board from the seat where I was playing Pai Gow Tiles at Harrah's AC as you can see in the 2nd picture. I saw the trend when I stood up from my seat to stretch, but it was already at more than 2/3 way done with the single chop trend with some occasional doubles which would have been a wash and all singles would have been winners. I don't know why I didn't jump in as I would still have won a decent amount. I was thinking at the time that as soon as I jumped in, the trend will change and I will get screwed if I start chasing if I lost the first hand. Besides, I wanted to keep what I had won at the Tiles game and I didn't want to give any of it back.

    The shoe started with 2P, 2B which scrolled off the screen to the left because of the long single chop trend in the screen shot below.

    I would have followed the single chop trend by betting BPBPBP, etc, continue to bet the same even when 2P or 2B hit as long as I don't lose 2 in a row. I probably have quit after losing 2 in a row when 4 bankers in a row hit.

    One guy lost everything (about $2,000+) when he was hell bent on betting against the single chops in the middle where it went on for 12 in a row. He lost every single bet because he was betting for 2nd banker or 2nd player to come and it never did before he ran out of his money.

    The other guy was up $3,000+ before he lost it all plus another $500 when the chaos hit towards the end. He was betting $100 to $200 on the single chops so he was following the trend and he did good, but when 4 bankers hit, he started losing and by then he was betting $500 a hand and he lost like 7 in a row. Had he stuck with betting as if the single chop was still going, then he would not have lost at all after the 4 bankers hit but that's also if he was flat betting.

    I just couldn't believe how 3 out of 4 people at the table lost so badly on a board like that.

    A woman in the middle was the only one who won and it's because she followed the single chop trend and she stopped betting after the 4 banker run. But, even with her, she only bet sporadically on that trend and she bet only $100 to $150 per hand so she could have easily won 2 to 3 times of what she won.

    She did win $2,000 on a third card 7 7 tie which pays 200X, so she won $2,000 on a $10 bet. It's that funky symbol in the 2nd row of the 5th column from far right.


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  7. baccarou

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    Amazing shoe really because from hand 5 through to 39, you had 31 vs 4 in favour of the chops for an STDV of 4.56.
    If someone is not in the right mindset to capitalize on that, then it begs the question of what they are actually doing there except likely donating their cash to the casino coffers.

    The BBBB should have given fair warning but the 13 hands after that completely changed in characteristic and I can see where someone could come unstuck.
     

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    If you encounter the streak at the baccarats table yer only shrewd alternative are to bet against the streak for a set number of attempt or don't bet at all, hey hey.
     
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  9. Lousy Gambler

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    Sorry, but I disagree completely. Just follow the trend until it's over and you are wrong only ONCE.

    One player lost everything betting against the single chop looking for doubles which never came in that 12 in a row single chops. He was betting $300 or higher per hand. The way I figure it, once he was wrong a couple of times betting against the trend, he most likely could not stop betting against it mentally. He was basically married to betting against the trend. That's too bad since he got wiped out and he didn't win a single hand. This reminds me of a story from a dealer that I know at Borgata. He told me he made the biggest mistake of his life playing baccarat where he did the exact same thing betting against a 24 in a row single chops and he lost $8,000+ when everyone else at the table made thousands with one guy making tens thousands. He said he doesn't know why he did what he did and he will never forget it. Then, he said that he thinks it was because there was a player whom he just didn't like at all at the table and he decided to bet against him and he couldn't stop until he lost it all. The guy he was betting against was the guy who won tens thousands.

    My father did the same thing for the first 12 years he has been playing baccarat, i.e. betting against trends, and he got wiped out too many times to count. He only recently fixed his behavior of betting against trends and he doesn't get killed as often except he did lose $10,000+ just a couple of months ago. He said he just couldn't pick the right side and he lost all that money in just 2 days pretty much flat betting with an occasional bet of $200 at $100 minimum tables. The way I see it, when there are no obvious trends, pretty much everyone loses as it's all guessing game then.

    Anyway, another man was playing at the next table before he saw the single chop run and came over. The very first bet he made was against the trend and he lost. He then bet sporadically either following or not following the trend and he ended up losing too.

    A woman and a man bet the chop but not every hand, so they didn't win as much as they should have, and the man lost everything eventually.

    All I know is NEVER bet against the trend and I would have cleared 20+ units on that shoe very easily.

    I also understand that these types of long trends are infrequent, but they do exist and if you are patient enough to wait for them to come around then it's easy peasy. I live in casinos, so if I wasn't so busy with everything else, I would camp out at the tables for the trends to develop and ride them until they are over and repeat.
     
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  10. Lousy Gambler

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    Here is a board from this morning at Borgata where it started with 11 in a row players. It was at a $300 minimum table.

    One young man in the middle was hell bent on betting against that player trend betting $2,000 a hand. He lost $10,000 so fast and left the table.

    Another man next to him was doing the same thing but he was betting only about $500 and he also lost all of his initial buy-in.

    He bought in another $2,000 right before the trend broke and he won twice on BB, but he lost more on that PPP in the 3rd column.

    His bet sizing was like a yo-you and he was barely hanging in there when everyone else at the table pretty much bet the players through out and they were raking in the dough.

    Basically, why would you go against the grain when it's like that where one side is just dominant?

    I couldn't sit down to play because the table was full, but honestly $300 minimum is too rich for me even though I have the bankroll to handle it. The highest minimum I have done is $200.


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    Thanks for posting the 2 shoes above, it's always great to look at different scenarios just to see how your own strategy would have played out.
    The 2 shoes above were great for trend followers, in fact, anybody with a serious wedge and some balls could have walked out of there with a significant amount of cash. Why do people go against what they can currently see happening in abundance with their own eyes? God only knows!
     
  12. fathead

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    You can bet with the trend, you can bet against the trend, you can bet randomly, you can bet one decision per shoe ... eventually you will have losing streaks of 10+ in a row. It cannot really be avoided. It took me years of testing and playing to come to grips with this fact.
     
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    Exactly fathead. You can have the best skills but sometimes the pattern of the cards has a different direction.
     
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    I understand what you are saying about running into losing streaks of 10+ in a row, but certainly there must be a way to avoid them as much as possible. Stopping and leaving the table to walk around after 3 losses in a row is one of them like what Lungyeh said in his "Baccarat - the best small business" thread. It would take a lot of discipline and control to stop when losing as just about no one can stop from playing when they are down multiple units and most would just chase without a doubt. I would like to think that after almost 40 years of casino gambling, I'm just now getting better at stopping when things go south.

    My parents lost $10,000+ in just 2 days, but since my mom basically follows here and there of what my dad bets, it's really my dad who lost $10,000+ just a couple of months ago. He didn't have 10+ losses in a row at any point, but he did say he just couldn't win no matter what he tried of what he knows about the game which he's been playing for only 12 years. It didn't help that all tables were $100 minimum in the hotel I got him the rooms and it was Hard Rock. He preferred to stay there because he won the most there in the past, but not any more after that big loss.

    I told him about stopping for the day if he lost 10 units for the day and I told him that only days before he had those disastrous sessions and had he adhered to what I told him, he would have lost at most $2,000 in those 2 days.

    This month, I got him rooms at Borgata which has $20 minimum tables during the weekdays and $40 and $60 on weekends besides the normal $100, $200, $300, and $500 minimum tables. It was supposed to be a 3 weeks stay, but he left yesterday after only 2 weeks stay because he was up $3,800 in 2 weeks before he had a bad session of losing $800 at a $20 minimum table. He said he had the feeling of what happened 2 months coming over him and therefore he just needed to leave and come back on another week. So, it looks like he'll be back for another 3 weeks stay in the beginning of September after the Labor Day holiday. However, it's really too bad he left early, because some of the crazy good trends occurred in the early morning when he normally plays. I emailed him the screen shots and he agreed that he would have made back $800 that he lost on Saturday plus a lot more, so he is a trend follower which he wasn't until this year. It took him almost 12 years to change his betting style and he's winning more now than ever before. The problem is when there isn't any trend to follow which then it's just a guessing game.

    As for me, baccarat isn't my main game as I hardly play the game. That was until I accidentally stumbled into reading Punkcity's "Stadium play 2019 February to August" thread. Obviously, I'm very envious of his success and who wouldn't be. It would be nice if I can remotely duplicate his success, so I took notes and read his thread multiple times and still re-reading some parts of it to make sure I didn't miss anything. I have been trying what I learned from his thread which I know isn't 100% of what he is doing, but I haven't had a losing day yet although I am not playing everyday and it's on live tables and not the stadium game. Since two of the casinos I play do have stadium games, I just might have to transition to them since the live tables just take too long to play unless I'm playing alone which is what I prefer but hard to get.
     

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    Sure you can avoid them to a certain degree. I thought the same way. Lost four in a row. Got up and ate. Went back an hour or so later. Lost my first four in a row. Got up. Went and had a soak in the hot tub. Later on came back to a different table and lost my first four then too. 12 in a row.

    Another time I switched strategies to follow the trend as needed. Moved tables etc. Lost 18 in a row. No matter what I did, it didn’t work.

    I think the point is that no matter what pitfalls you plan for in advance or walk strategy you might have, sooner or later that long losing streak will come and get you. It may not be next trip or the one after or even one in 2024. But you can bet you’ll get it. As long as you are prepared and know it can get there and how you plan how to recoup it reasonably, you will be fine. I think you have that mentality based on your posts.

    It also doesn’t mean you will see losing streaks like that happen often. I haven’t seen one like that since and that was in 2019. But I am aware, like fathead is, that it can happen. I think we both do fairly well in the game and I don’t worry about it but I’m aware it’s there.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I'm aware of the long losing streaks as I've seen plenty of them playing blackjack.

    But with baccarat, I'm the one who decides what to bet on so it's 100% on me if I end up with a long losing streak. I realize that sometimes it's just unavoidable, so I can only do my best so that I don't end up with those ridiculously long losing streaks and hopefully I have enough of the long winning streaks to offset the long losing streaks if I end up with some of them eventually.

    I must've been very lucky in the two months that I've started playing mostly baccarat looking for trends as I've had at least 4 sessions where I had 10+ wins in a row but none of the bad losing streaks. I would've had more than 8 sessions of 10+ wins in a row and as high as 18+ wins in a row a couple of times if I could sit at the tables where the trends were happening. It's too bad that I couldn't sit because they were already full or reserved The way I play, I don't bet very much at all if there are no trends. Once I bet like only 5 hands for the whole shoe and won 1 unit when everyone else at the table lost badly. It's very time consuming for sure the way I play, but as long as I can win something, I can deal with it since I'm living in casinos and has been for the past 2+ years. I got nothing better to do than to watch the tables and wait. I just wish I wasn't so busy with the other things I have to deal with so that I could spend more time camping out at the tables looking for trends.


    How do I like a comment? I liked your comment a lot, but I didn't see an option to do that. Is it an option only after you have posted 300?
     
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    I think you should be allowed to like a comment but I appreciate that.

    I have enjoyed your posts. Keep ‘em coming and also hoping you continue to do well. And yes, blackjack I was playing in Cartagena one year and I bought in for $200 because the table minimum was the equivalent of $1.16. I looked like a high roller lol. I was playing $5 hands essentially. Lots of people came around to watch the “rich American” play. It was back and forth for a while and I think I got up as high as $50. Then the bottom fell out. I lost 26 hands in a row. If you count doubles and splits, it was the same as 32 hands. Never seen anything like it. The dealer was even shocked and apologetic. He didn’t do anything wrong and I was doing everything correctly. The cards just didn’t like me that day. I think I had $30 or so left and I tipped the dealer and went about my vacation. I was there to pass some time before our tour out to a beach resort. The dealer thought I was a king lol because of all of that AND tipping him the rest. Although it was a brutal losing streak, it was memorable and we had a good time laughing about it. I’ve had some awesome nights at the blackjack table too so I can’t complain!
     
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    I was watching a reserved table this morning at Hard Rock.

    Only a couple was playing and on that 10 bankers in a row on column 6, they were betting between $200 to $400 a hand and they followed it all the way which was good. They won about $3,000 on that run.

    Then, the man all of sudden bet $1,000 on B and it flipped to player so he lost. They asked for a free hand and it was B.

    They then bet $400 on B after a tie and he lost again. Asked for another free hand and it was banker. Then, he bet $2,000 on B and it flipped to player again, so he now lost more than what he won on that 10 in a row banker.

    If they flat bet, then they would still be up. Adapt and go to following the single chops, then they won more.

    I know it's easier said than done after the fact, but I would have done that exactly.


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    Blackjack was my main game for so many years playing mostly $25 minimums, but not anymore after the automatic shuffling machines came around. I just don't see the dealers breaking like they used to when it was all hand shuffling. If I play now, I try to play where I can get hand shuffles which means it's either $50 or $100 minimums. I played $200 minimum at Borgata just last month and was up $1,400 but quit after losing 2 in a row so made $1,000.

    Of 40 some odd years I've played blackjack, I've never had 26 or higher losses in a row. The maximum was 20 unit loss in a row with some pushes in-between at Borgata and I will never forget that. I bought in for $500 and lost it all, but it was completely my fault as I didn't do what I normally do which is switch it up by playing 2 or even 3 hands if the dealer gets hot. I was playing one on one and I never went to 2 or 3 hands as I was very tired that night and I wasn't thinking straight. I didn't win a single hand before I lost all $500, so it was exactly 20 unit loss.

    The most I've won in one session is $17,000 at a $100 minimum in the old Hilton casino. That was an unbelievable night as everyone at the table could not lose including my wife who practically never wins. Even though my wife won also, she was the only one who ran out of money at one point and had to borrow from me to continue. A woman to the left of me won over $25,000 betting $200 to $500 a hand and playing two hands. She was the lucky one and I was just coat tailing off her luck since after she had to leave because she rode bus from New York and her bus was about to leave, the table turned so I quit too.

    I don't play blackjack that much anymore as I've switched to Pai Gow Tiles for the last few years.

    Now, I still play the Tiles but trying to focus mainly on baccarat with some messing around with the cash poker ($1-$3 games).

    If I didn't have to take of my two little kids, then I would probably camp out at the baccarat tables all the time looking for trends.
     
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    Blackjack is a crazy game but I still love it. My highest win was a night when I was in Tunica with my father in law. We started playing after dinner with a $200 buy in at a $5 table. He decides at about 10:30pm that it’s time for bed. I kept playing. Around 4am I had at least 12 beers but the cards were going so well that I was up $66,000 as I kept moving up in bet size. I finally ended up at a $500 table and if I hit a natural, I’d tip the dealer the $250 extra on a $500 hand. Back then the dealers kept their own tips so they all heard about this drunk guy giving away $250 on a blackjack. A verbal nearly physical fight erupted between a couple of dealers saying it was “their turn” to deal my table. Never had a blackjack experience like it since. Around 5pm the next day, my father in law finds me at a $25 table (I scaled back), and asks me what time I went to bed. I told him I hadn’t yet haha

    I gave the old man $2000 to go play high limit video poker and brought the remaining $80,000+ back to the room. Let’s just say my wife was very happy to see me when I got back home after that weekend!!
     

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