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Red you seem to be unravelling over this. You yourself have made many claims that you've never supported....and you claim to be a "professional". I'm not.

So I'm wondering....what will you do IF I finish at or near 70%? You gonna hang yourself? Or maybe take the next rocket ship to Mars where they understand you better.

 

You bald-faced lied, Rob. No other way to put it. You claimed to have done something that no public handicapper has ever done. The reason you claimed it is because you don't know enough to realize no public handicapper has ever done it. It's comical. You can spin it this or that, but you got caught in a big fat and really brain dead lie.

Far from "unraveling," I'm quite content that I was here to be able to point out that you lied. Other than Boz, it's possible nobody here would be qualified to point out that no public handicapper has ever done what you nonchalantly claimed you did. I'm kind of calm, actually, because you told such a big ridiculous lie that it speaks for itself.

Now, to the other nonsense you spout.

The fact is, none of anything I have ever said is, what is the word you used, "unsupported." I've been monitored for decades. My plays were in a national newsletter, available on all newsstands until it ceased print publishing, for at least a decade. And the Wise Guys Contest made publicly available my two best plays every week of every football season for 30 years. If thousands of plays in print, in monitoring publications, and online isn't "supported," well, you must have an odd definition of "supported." Or maybe you just like to lie about me.

I can send you, or anyone, copies of the monitoring reports, of the newsletter in which I appeared, and I'll be more than happy to get you a phone number so you can call Playbook and check on my 30 years in the Wise Guys Contest. I'm sure they'll be glad to talk to you.

What I just said goes for anyone, and I appreciate Rob's giving me the opportunity to suggest people send me an email at [email protected] if they want photocopies of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" or Playbook newsletters with my plays or past results from the Wise Guys Contest. Or any of my op eds, or the paper I presented at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking, or any other sort of corroboration.

I'll end with a plug for my short non-fiction story in the book, "Driving Southern," which was published a week ago. It's an origin story regarding my entering the world of sports gambling. It's available on Amazon and from various publishing outlets, which I will link to tomorrow.

 

I would trust your sport picks all day long Comrade, you're the real deal. Since you NEVER post any of your picks, I'll have to settle with betting the other side of Robbie's picks. Did me well years ago, I made a small fortune thanks to Singer !

 

Technically, I did post our futures plays in baseball this year over at VCT, but originally did it in a riddle format for monet. Post #613 in the smart money thread. We took Cleveland at +900 for a unit to win their division. I then reported when we hedged it with half a unit on the ChiSox at +350 and a unit on the Twins at +175. Basically the outcome is a wash if the Twins or ChiSox win the division and a decent profit if Cleveland wins it, making a plus nine units while losing 1 1/2 units in hedges.

But in general, I'll never post straight plays on a forum. There is some possible utility in doing it after you've made your wagers because if you are looking to hedge or trying to middle the game, and you are respected enough to have a following, you can generate money on your side, which could lead to odds changes so you can come back the other way.

Jimmy "the Greek" was famous for doing this on television. Billy Walters, when interested in trying to middle games, has been known to bet early and leak which side he took so he could zig-zag later.

 

By the way, I did a terrible job timing the Cleveland hedges on the ChiSox and Twins. I could have done much better. I really butchered it.

 

I did see I was asked to be an intermediary in a potential offer from RED to Rob. Of course I’ll hold anything needed and I believe you both trust me on something this small. And I’m impartial but we all know this isn’t going to happen, so it’s easier to see how this ends.

Rob will not list 5 NFL games for all 18 weeks of the regular season and hit 68%. PERIOD, that’s not bias, that’s facts. It’s just not going to happen. Now he may give up early, say he forgot or was just too busy traveling one week, or he just quits,but it won’t happen. I would say if he follows through it will be impossible or almost impossible by around week 13 without closing with a 20 to 25 game winning streak.

And in my mind Rob knows he isn’t going to hit this number but is enjoying the discussion. Nothing new to see here.

 

It is pretty clear at this point that Rob Singer desperately needs and seeks attention. He will and does say anything that he thinks will get a rise out of someone. It has been this way for years, but definitely seems to have escalated recently. He is the 3 year old sitting in the corner throwing his feces at people screaming "look at me, look at me".

Redietz this latest ridiculous claim targeted you. He knew you would respond as you have and THAT is what he wanted and needed.

As I said recently, it is way past time for all if us to ignore this troll and leave him to his misery of no one giving a shit about him or any if his ridiculous claims. There can be no greater torment than that for an attention seeking troll.

 

KJ, your points may have some weight but in my mind we need to give him some deference; after all he's "our troll."

Much like a problem child, a good family does not turn their back on their own.

Besides, Rob IS entertaining and his posts are well crafted.

But yeah, he can be relentless in his attacks.

 

Unfortunately, if I read anywhere that someone is claiming to have won 68% versus the spread in the NFL picking five games a week for two years, I'll call him out. Doesn't matter who it is. Because if I don't call him out, who will? Boz knows enough to eviscerate claims like this. KewlJ has enough experience and sense to know it's highly unlikely. But I would be the go-to guy to tell people whether it can be done.

Singer actually has very little gambling expertise but does a lot of pontificating. He knows nothing about sports handicapping, but acts as if one should find his positions reasonable. He knows nothing about blackjack but proclaims what's possible and who is/isn't a blackjack pro. He knows nothing about poker but he comments on Witteles' profession as if he knows the man and the game.

The valuable element to this latest episode is that Singer had no idea what was believable. I assume he went with what won the Circa and SuperBook contests, added a percentage point or two, and claimed he did for two years. Who knows? He also ignored another critical fact regarding the winning percentages for those contests, which I'll keep to myself for the moment.

His lying about me specifically is galling. I've been in the public eye for decades and literally thousands of plays. I know what it's like to weather a bad season and deal with clients and media. I know what it's like to bomb out a week and have to suck it up. I have never, not once, reported something not true regarding my handicapping. My record in that regard is pristine.

Rob plays at gambling and pretends he knows what he's doing. That's fine. Some people go to whorehouses for their fantasies; some go to forums. Where I draw the line is when he nonchalantly claims to have done something nobody else has done. Of course, this brings into play the whole 1.5 million jackpot story, the Newell story, and the video poker system stories, and the double-up bug stories. He's a regular jack-of-all-gambling trades when it comes to making shit up.

 

The plain fact is Rob claimed to have done something no other public handicapper has done. He put that 68% in black-and-white. He got caught in a real buffoon lie.

 

LOL

That is at the heart of what makes him so entertaining: he lies, we all know it, he sticks to it, and off we go, flaming one another.

Kinda silly but a tried and true formula.

No, I'm not defending the guy, just saying he provides a lot of comedic value.

 

Not for me. He has, on half a dozen occasions, stated that my late wife committed suicide. She did not. That's not comedic in any way, shape or form. He has said similar things regarding arcimede$ wife and kewlJ's partner. And he said similar things to it to others who called him out on his voodoo and lack of expertise and lack of honesty. To me, that drains the entire context of anything resembling comedy.

 

+1. There is a line between fun and games and decency. Rob Singer frequently crosses that line.

 

I get it: he targeted you in a vile, nasty way.

As an outsider not so targeted I suppose that I view it a bit differently; if he got down home and personal with attacks on me and my family then I'd align with you guys.

My final thought though is that I am pretty sure he doesn't really mean a lot of what he says, it's just words on a screen calculated to elicit a response.

 

You repeatedly lie about members who are alive.

How is that more fun or decent than those who might lie about you, or lie about the dead?

 

Am I a "public handicapper" red? No. Do you have accurate and absolute knowledge of how "private handicappers" have done? A resounding NO. And are there "private handicappers" out there who, other than myself and over the short-term, have achieved equal to or better than 68% for two NFL seasons? We don't know that. But it's for certain--you really REALLY don't want it to be. So does your desires mean it is an impossible feat to pull off? How about you check with your conglomeration of "university math professors" for your answer!

And wise up.

 

Dumb statement. Nobody would bet enuf to make a "small fortune" on the opposite side of someone's picks just because they're an amateur

Red may be a pro a handicapping and picks (we really have no idea, but he talks a big game) but he sure doesn't understand how the math works when picks are involved. And is the reason he's continually refused to face off against me on one of these obscure forums, because he's worried about my beating him?

 

All clutter. And I haven't had checks in 20 years

The simple way: I made my 5 picks and bets. You don't have to bet yours, but post YOUR five. Each week for 18 weeks. Then we'll name the champ.

 

Oh waaa...waaa...waaa ... Prove that you had anything other than a pair of shoes for a wife. And I stated that, if anyone were to be stupid enuf to marry a weirdo like you, suicide would certainly be an understandable act

Arci sealed his own fate when he said he dragged his sick wife to casinos in order to get the most out of multiplier days etc. And to demonstrate the amount of unfortunate dysfunction in that family, their son overdosed soon thereafter.

It's obvious AND I'VE VERIFIED that kew had a sugar daddy who left him very little after croaking of aids. That's why the kew clan (baby bro and mommy dearest included) were forced out and ended up in a high rise city slum.

But it's all relative. I've accomplished things in VP that go beyond belief for standard losers on forums. So the lies and hate are a big part of the reaction. I also enjoy cracking the whip so that you people can show me how weak YOU are, and how much a stronger person I am. Kew, of course, is the weakest of the weak and therefore, the most satisfying to flog. He's leaving forums for good? He's eh-em, "not ever gonna be forced into replying to or pay attention to me again"?

Ahahahahahahaha!!!!

 

I'm gonna conclude your learning tonight with this fact:

Boz you'll like this one--Alan says he WITNESSED 18 yo's in a row. He's been endlessly ridiculed, by just about everyone.....BUT ME. Why? Because as highly against the odds as that is, and as incomprehensible as it sounds, it IS still mathematically possible. And AP's blab about how much they believe in the math ALL THE TIME. So it is very disingenuous for anyone who professes to understand the math behind statistics and probability, to just blatantly proclaim that his experience is not true. And with all the sequences of dice throws at all casinos who offer the game since craps was invented, you people still choose to claim that it did not happen at least this one time? How likely would it have been if I had told you I witnessed a Jewish guy actually get married at a craps table?

So is 68% an absolute impossibility? Of course it isn't! And for anyone to claim it is would mean that person is not only out of touch with reality, but they also do not believe in probability theory.

I've spent a portion of my gambling life doing things other so-called "believers in the math" claim are not possible. But why is that? Is it because the math says they're absolutely 100% not possible? Nope, not at all. IT'S BECAUSE I'M DISLIKED AND HATED, AND THEIR AGENDA ABOUT ME HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE WAY THEY WANT IT TO BE, PERIOD.

And that's all it is. I didn't sign onto the Internet in 2000 and write a very truthful and eye-opening account of what was going on with video poker in my books and other media, because I was interested in making friends, getting pats on the back, or to show how skillful I was at brown-nosing. The result was being despised by the masses, which because our life in retirement from real work was solidly set and my future VP winnings were really nothing more than a nice big fat bowl of gravy, I didn't care one bit what the little people said, wrote or thought....and I still don't to this day. The fact that my gambling career turned out far better than theirs is satisfaction enough. Getting many of them to jump through MY hoops is just added entertainment.