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Craps I was having very good success with MP's $204 Across, but lately, repeated PSO's...

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by dork, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. dork

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    I was having very good success with MP's $204 Across, but lately, repeated PSO's have slowed me down. I'm also tracking a live-play favoritism of the 5 and 9 as my sig numbers, (5 better than 9). I thought it might benefit me greatly to stay Inside; especially since MP's $204 is designed for generic DI shooting, where we believe the shooter has an advantage, but we don't know what the sig numbers are. In live play, my 4/10 occurrences are dropping off almost as much as 'average' statistics might forecast for a RR. I'm not sure yet if/how the dice set (x6's) is influencing my 'lack' of 4/10's. (The 5/3-5/1 seems to yield a ton of inside numbers, but not a lot of prime axis results.)

    Something's changed in my delivery, and I'm now though I'm hovering steadily at 50-52% On Axis, part of the reason for the increase is an increase to 14-17% double pitches, which is killing me with the Red. (I can't figure it out; at Biloxi 2015, Howard RnR gave me advice on a different dice set. I'm testing it now. My delivery is underhand with a diagonal grip, so I'm not sure how to change finger alignment, and maybe Howard wasn't sure he could see my problem either.)

    The heavy repetitions of OnAxis 7's has forced me to consider other regression schemes that both favor my sig number(s) but yet aren't so risky; rolling for "~$40" on the second roll is very palatable for me especially in this circumstance. When I was all over the board (no pun intended) the $204 Across was a gem, but better-focused bets with that $110 regression are a nice band-aid.

    With that as a backdrop, I've melded the initial steps of Americraps' with my own 3x Parlay 'hero number' system and a modified version of VDC's Hardway scheme. I've played it like this in my last three sessions:

    CO w/ $5 on the PL. Establish a point (e.g., 4)... '4' is the point. (if an inside number had rolled, say a '5', I'd bet $30 Odds and $120 Inside $60 - 6/8 and $50 - 9) With '4' as the point, I bet:

    $5 PL w/$25 Odds, $220 Inside; on the first paying roll, regress to
    $5 PL w/$25 Odds, $110 Inside; on the second paying roll, I regress to

    $5 PL w/$10 Odds, $37 Across ($10 each on my sig number 5 and 9) and $6 on 6/8, $5 on the 10...

    This regression guarantees a profit of $53 after two paid numbers and I'll have $52 bet on the table. At this point, on the first hit, parlay (bet goes to $24 5 or 9 or a $12 6 or 8 or a $15 10) $1 change on the 6/8 goes to $1 HW 6/8; second hit parlay again--go to $60 on the 5 or 9, $24 on the 6 or 8, or $40 on the 10. On the third occurrence of a repeating number, reduce the bet to $10 and skim the profits: e.g., 5 is rolled--a $10 Place 5 will parlay to $24. Another 5 is rolled--throw the dealer a dollar and parlay to $60. (The payoff is $35. $35+1+$24 = $60.) Another 5 (the third 5) is rolled. Payoff is $84. Your choice here... I reduce the Place 5 to $10 and skim $134. All other bets are up one unit, though I use a completely different scheme to bet the 6/8. Here's how I treat them:

    I use the Place 6/8 money to fund their corresponding HardWay bets. I start off with a $6 6/8 bet. Parlay the first hit to $12 and bet the $1 change on the H6 (or H8). If the 6 (or 8) is the number rolled for the second parlay, parlay the Place bet to $24, you'll get $2 change. Yyou might have lost the $1 Hardway bet made in a previous round. Bet the $2 change on the HW. A third soft 6 is rolled; press the 6 to $42. You'll have $10 change... replace the lost $2 bet with a $10 H6. A 4th soft 6 is rolled; take the $49 payoff and bet $10 H6 again (we gotta make some money on the Place 6/8; it's time to rack some winnings). A 5th soft 6 is rolled; press the 6 to $60, rebet the H6 with $15 rack the extra $16. A 6th soft 6 is rolled; press the 6 to $72 , bet $15 (or more) on the H6.

    If the parlay number is the Place 10... first 10 rolled, press $5 to $15 (throw the dealer $1). Second 10 rolled; press to $40. Third 10 is rolled, regress the Place 10 to a $10 bet.

    The 3x Parlay is a trigger to change (thanks to VDC for the concept)... Throughout the quest for that 3rd Parlay, all other place bets are up one unit until the 3x parlay bet is won (excepting the 6/8 betting scheme).

    When you've skimmed the profit on a 3x parlayed Place bet, from that point on, ALL bets are full press parlays up to the 14th box hit (but I'll still bet $10-15 on the H6/H8 each time they hit). The 14th box hit is a trigger again, and I regress to $54 Across and start over--the goal now is to full parlay every Place bet til the 15th box hit again, and take down all but $54 again.

    How does it work? I've only done it three times. It took some 'gumption' the second time. The first time it worked like a Swiss watch... The scheme netted $622 for 4 hands in one session, and I quit. Two students whose aliases I dunno watched me start out with a $220 PSO handicap but didn't see me recover; they quit the table when my PSO killed their bets, too. Can't blame'em... but it gave me Treasure Bay's table to my lonesome and I did well as a repeat shooter.

    The second time occurred just before London Shooter, Carroll and two students whose aliases I forgot (so I won't name them)... before they arrived I went PSO, PSO, PSO consecutively, followed by a PPSO for tally of -$700. Then they joined the table. I made the "$220 Inside" bet one more time and they watched me recover to a net $136 profit on one hand (16 numbers including the ATS for 2-2-2). Carroll hit the 5 four times and the 9 five times, and I skimmed ~ $250 from his hand. All that time they didn't know I'd used the scheme to recover from -700. Why did I hang on?? Because all three of my PSO's were double pitches... I felt good about the roll and delivery, even though the results were ugly. Also, when I saw them sidle up to the table, I thought "if I can't roll well, one of them might bail me out"--which happened the next day in the third session...

    Five of us students hit the $10 table in the morning when it opened. Two cycles and I was down $420 (I'd lost $220 outright on my own PSO); but I had faith that somebody of us would have a decent roll. SlowDriver came to my rescue and rolled about 14 box numbers. I ended up down $117, and that's after tips. He had a good roll; I could have quit ahead ~$100 with a regression to $54 Across, but I took a chance and the Red caught us.

    But the point of this looongwinded report is, Americraps' $220 Inside regression idea worked for me (twice under "extreme" pressure). MP's $204 was a great jumping-off place for me. It's a sound system, and I did very well with it for the last 6 months. When I get my delivery sorted out, though, I'll go back to a modified MP bet--$220 Inside for 2 hits to an ISR is the next step. It feels like I'm sooo close...
    Statistics: Posted by dork — Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:42 pm — Replies 2 — Views 67

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  2. Harley

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    dork .... I have some very good advise for you ... why don't you send me a PM
     
  3. TSC

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    Whats up Dork.... As I said to you in PM's and such across the street.... I still feel you need to leave more on the H6/8. First off, If you believe in yourself as i know you do...Start with $1 H6/8 Don't put the change. That could be difference of $100 if first 6 is H6... Work out the rack, the board the HW, but just remember, this. You are using the 6/8 for the Home Run Walk off in B9... it won't climb you up fast enough bc of the weak ass payoff. Use the 4/10 for that... you MUST, take advantage and put more $$$ over to the 6 or 8 that hit in order to Kill this ADVANTAGE PLAY. I don't care how you re arrange the money... its just too light on the HW.

    Two weeks ago, I opened with H10,H8, H4 and then H6, followed by 2 soft 6's before finally hitting H6 again BTB then. So sequence went like this.
    $12 6/8 $1 on the 6/8 HW.. after H8 hit I parlayed to $10 took PB to 18, $7 rack bc i opened hard. I did same with first 6... then on next 6 easy, pressed the $18 six to $30 and put $9 change on H6, (usually round up to $10) as i hate high stacks) ... on next 6, Pays $35, so took $30 six to $42, and put $20 on H6 $3 rack...I am into this bet for like $3 now... like being on a $3 table after 3 hits...virtually paid for.... now.... next hit came hard.... Box 6 paid $48, HW paid $180... Thats $228 plus 42 Plus 20...totaling 290... So NOW is when i want to rack... easiest way to do this is double everything... $42 six goes to 90, 20 HW goes to $40-$50..I use 2 green chips not 4-5 chips, I hate stacks of chips)... (thats 140 of 290 and 150 in rack... close enough... After any HW I hop even if $1, but usually 2way for $6, the number that hit.... bam next roll repeater H6... ok so now 90 pays 105. I dropped $50 for 5 black on the HW payout and drop $55 for 2 black....Love BLACK lol... So payouts are 105 + 450 +145 + 90 on six and 50 on H6 +5 HOP is total on felt and collect of around 800. I press PB to 180, Press HW to 100 and Hop to $10 and continue...so around $550 more in rack...If i was to hit soft six next, I take 210 and divide it, press to $220, $150 HW and put $110 more in rack and continue the 3 way split from there...Its really a 2 way split. The felt splits one half and rack gets other roughly.

    gl bro..keep me posted

    Trend Setter Craps
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  4. Mark V

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    Dork,
    The 'MP's $204 Across' is a strong bet however potentially disastrous if you are playing on a table that is new to you.

    What I do is play the table for a while and see what the trend is. What is the average rolls, and how many PSO's are made by others. I often start out at $44 insides, two hits then all down.
    Then I move to $66 insides two hits and down.
    Then 96 across and two hits, down,
    Then 160 across and two his, down
    Then MP 204 across and two his and regress.

    if you can make it to the 204 across, well then you got a good table and your toss is working. If you PSO on the earlier ones, then you don't lose as much and if you continue to PSO then you probably got a bad table and should move on.
     
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    The original post in this thread is another example of a post "harvested" from the RSS feature on my forum and published here without my permission. While this is apparently perfectly legal - I find the process to be unethical and reprehensible. Just giving my opinion. If you wish to read my forum's posts in their original context then seek the forum out and join. Google will get you there - as will the link at the bottom of the original post.
     
  6. Harley

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    Looks like technical Spamming to me -- references back to a certain board that is advertising for new students ... And probably posted by a sock puppet moderator of the same board

    .... Just my opinion based on prior history
     
  7. Mark V

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    Heavy,
    It appears the messages/post on your forum is publicly accessible, not behind any membership/pay wall. Other than asking the site Admin to knock it off, your alternative is to file a United States Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) but don't expect anything of it.

    Keep in mind that Fair Use is often cited and trying to prove that a post on your site not written by you is copy writable by you is going to be very hard and costly to prove.

    The bright side to this is that at least there is a link to your site :) Most of the time the copiers never do that.
     

  8. Heavy

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    Thanks Mark. I agree. The TOS on my website clearly state that posts on my forum remain the copyrighted property of the posters and that they are responsible for their own work. I do believe I have a bit more say over my personal posts and articles. Time will tell. I have already looked into filing a Digital Millenium Copyright Act lawsuit. The jury is still out as to whether I'll do that or not. The sad part of all this is that it could have been avoided if the owner of this forum had simply asked permission up front to repost articles. I would not grant permission for him to use content composed by my forum members, but would have allowed him to use some of my personal content. Alas, instead they just scraped posts from my site (and are still doing so) and posted them here. Make no mistake about it. The owner of this forum's ultimate goal is to sell someone something. He's using content he's getting essentially for free to draw in customers to purchase goods or services from him. I have a real problem with. If someone is going to use my personal material to help sell their product - I either want a percentage of the profits or I want to be paid by the word for any content they use. That's how business - including the electronic publishing business - works.
     
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    Digital Millenium Copyright Act lawsuit. o_O ??!!??
    Just file a DMCA and see then what happens. Most likely nothing will happen. No lawyer will tell you that you have a case either, or one that you will win.

    I don't see the Admin selling anything on this site. I guess at some point adds will appear and I am fine for that. After all Free does have some sort of price and if it is just a few ads that is fine.

    Heavy, I just suggest you lock away your forum behind a membership wall. That is really your only course of action.
     
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    You have to build an audience before you can sell product. The people running this site are working on that right now. I just shut down the RSS feeds on the site, so hopefully that will put an end to this silliness.
     
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    That's your prerogative. But what we find silly are sites that openly syndicate their content to the internet via the RSS standard, and then are unhappy when other sites actually go ahead and syndicate their content via the RSS standard. The entire point of RSS is to syndicate content to give it greater exposure. We also syndicate our public content openly to the internet and anyone is free to pull our feeds. So please feel free to pull any of our RSS Feeds and incorporate them into your site with links back to us like we've been doing with the feeds we pull. We would appreciate the additional exposure and don't feel threatened by other sites.
     
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    Who really cares. Let's chat about gambling, preferably craps. I really don't want to read all about RSS feeds, lol.

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    thats a for sure
     

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    Aside from all that, shouldn't the OP have put this in the Advantage Play section?
    Cheers,
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