Casino How many members in here actually gamble in a Casino?

Gambling is in our nature, and cuts across ethnic lines.

Heck, the Romans threw dem bones for Christ['s clothing.

Our interest starts early, too.

I remember one summer, as a kid, I bought a toy roulette wheel; I had a Kool-Aid, comic book, and gambling set up at my house.

The kids all loved playing roulette: it was a natural.

 

mR v...that is an answer that is from within the same realm of the universe that I dwell in.

for a minute I thought I entered the twilight zone.

 

Gaming is in our nature. Risk-taking is in our nature. Agriculture is in our nature. Casinos? Not quite. The early Greek mathematicians entirely avoided even the mention of "gambling math" in the context of casinos, even though gambling was prevalent also then. And modern probability theory has been around only about 2(?) centuries.

"The scientific study of probability is a modern development of mathematics. Gambling shows that there has been an interest in quantifying the ideas of probability for millennia, but exact mathematical descriptions arose much later. There are reasons of course, for the slow development of the mathematics of probability. Whereas games of chance provided the impetus for the mathematical study of probability, fundamental issues are still obscured by the superstitions of gamblers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

As far as kids playing, well, that's what kids do. Everything is a game to a kid who grows up in a prosperous environment. Kids don't lose their wages for entertainment because they're bored.

Geez, tell me where to go to open up my own brick and mortar casino. Isn't zero-percent HE against the law. I think I recall reading that somewhere.

 

No, just a place where such discussion doesn't seem to be a problem.

 

enter Rod Serling

 

Come on you guys, you can't do better than the same old fare at the Wizard's? How about one of your patented cogent arguments, Larry?

 

Not all arguments / discussions are cogent.

It is enough that a few cogent kernels are mixed in with the chaff.

As for gambling and its roots in history (or our fantasized belief as to how history actiallky was), it is worth noting that Jay Sarno named his mega-casino "Caesars Palace."

A gambling palace fit for a caesar.

The implication being that caesar loved to gamble, and did so in the most luxurious digs imaginable.

 

Hey, based on MrV's frivolous way of thinking, perhaps the Holocaust was in our nature because we stepped on bugs when we were kids.

 

Caesar didn't own a casino. Anyway, how is that natural? Perhaps he was into sadomasochism as well?

 

No, he didn't, but ma and pa Kettle don't know that.

They assume he did, and that they to can really live it up like an emperor when they walk through the portals at Caesars Palace.

You see, most gamblers on the strip are not knowledgeable enough about the reality of casino gambling to have become jaded.

They're still drawn to bright lights, the urgent sound of noisy slots, the implied availability of easy, otherwise unobtainable sex, free booze, and world class food and entertainment, all topped off with the hope of victory.

You and I may know different, but we aren't trying to market our casino to the gullible.

Hail Caesar!

 

I dont think at all from Caesars Palace, that it implied that Caesar gambled.
And I am not gullible to think that the women at Hooters casino have breasts.

 

Galileo was the first mathematician of note to work out the probabilities of dice throws. But he wasn't the first to do it. There was a sharp gambler around even back then. Galileo was asked by a dice gambler to solve a problem for him. The gambler had been getting his clock cleaned in a dice game and he couldn't figure out why.

The game was played with three dice. As you might know there are 216 possible outcomes when rolling three dice 6X6X6. On an even money bet every time the dice totaled to nine the hustler payed the gambler. Every time the dice totaled to ten the gambler had to pay the hustler. This gambler figured he had the edge with the nine in this game.

But after working on the problem Galileo told the gambler that there were 27 combinations that totaled to ten while only 25 combinations totaled to nine and that's why he was getting his clock cleaned.

I would call the dice hustler in the story pretty sharp. But DLN would call him an idiot for thinking he had a chance to win. That's because DLN is ignorant of the math of gambling and his opinions are totally based in ignorance. DLN, answer this question for me. Is ignorance bliss?

 

I have a degree or two in math. Believe me, I can spot the difference when someone is faking it. Shackleford is what happens when an actuary talks about math.

Boredom and anxiety are healthy and normal too, up to a point. Casinos are overkill. Abnormal amounts, well, you're wasting your time at the casinos. Real help is indicated.

 

This thread ended up a mess.... Which doesn't surprise me at all....

 

So all these Members here and no replies.....

 

What doesn't surprise me is how easily everyone missed one of the truly great observations about gambling. The table was set, no one could convert. How about another day to ponder? (Not something found on the internet. Or in the Twilight Zone.)

 

I wonder how a professional gambler such as KJ avoids "crossing the line" to becoming a degenerate gambler?

Yeah, "discipline."

But if a person really LIKES to gamble, they have the bankroll, and are in casinos very frequently, then the temptation would seem nigh overwhelming.

Kind of like a compulsive over-eater working in a candy store.

Remember, "familiarity breeds attempt."

 

B&M casino for me, 3-4 days per week. Roulette only, 00 wheel (not by choice).

Trial & error.....much better than testing!!

Ken

 

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I gotta keep this short MrV, because I really gotta get to work. My housemate/business partner/driver has been waiting on me for an hour. We are already late for his mid-day buffet meal and he gets very cranky when that happens.

First, I'll answer the thread question. I visit a casino almost every day, but a couple days a week it is just to eat. We consider the food comps part of our income or salary, so we put them to good use. I play blackjack about 4-5 days a week now. This is down from 6-7 days a week a few years ago. Plus I take a few days or even a week off from time to time, whenever I have the urge. I m definitely working less, but a couple techniques I have added, has allowed me to earn about the same EV, while playing less and still playing the same pretty well tolerated levels.

While I am very disciplined in my approach to blackjack, with things like, exit triggers (this is different from the voodoo concept of stop-limits), I don't need disciple when it comes to gambling. I just have never been interested in negative EV gambling. When I did get into video poker, some of the actual play was slightly -EV, but it was the disproportional mailer offers that made the exercise as a whole +EV. But even that, I hated, and pushed that responsibility off on my partner.

The one real exception for me has been sports betting. When I moved to Vegas, I started doing a small amount of betting during football season. Just to have a little interest in some of the games, I otherwise wouldn't watch. And that is definitely degenerative gambler's mentality. We are talking $100 on 6-10 games a week, mostly televised games. If you do the math, that is a EV cost of a couple bucks per game, so maybe 20 bucks EV, which is the cost of a movie. That was my entertainment. Some might say I am justifying.

A couple years ago, I placed a bigger bet $5,000 on a season win total for my Eagles, which lost. I was able to hedge that wager the last week of the season and cut that loss in half. That was a little wake up and I haven't bet much since. Last year, I only placed a handful of bets on two different weekends and the rest of the season still watched games without having a financial interest to do so. So I think my little football betting experiment thing, a result of living in Vegas has run it's course. That is a pitfall of life in Vegas and I tasted and moved on.

 

I'm in a casino almost every day. Sometimes stopping by to get some food, sometimes just scouting....but usually I go with the intent to play (as I have something planned....picking up free play, doing coin-in, playing blackjack, playing a promotion, etc.). IIRC, last day I wasn't in a casino was a few weeks ago -- flew across the US to play a promo.

Seems like there's a few people on these gambling forums who don't gamble at all....and many don't gamble frequently.