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Baccarat Bailey Foolproof Method

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Baccarat Magician, Apr 8, 2023.

  1. Baccarat Magician

    Baccarat Magician Active Member

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    Experimented with a slow progression of Bailey Foolproof method only betting on banker. As we know, the Foolproof Bailey method is a high escalation betting progression 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19, 20 etc...this experiment slows that progression down dramatically.

    Did 23 test shoes with the goal of hitting at least 100 units, which was achieved. Biggest downturn was -151 units.

    How it works:
    Flat bet 1 unit until a loss...then flat bet 1 unit 20 times in a row, but if break even or profit during your bets, reset at flat betting 1. You only escalate betting (20) 1 unit bets after a loss, otherwise stick to flat betting 1 unit.

    If you don't break even or profit from the first set of (20) 1 unit bets, escalate to 2 unit bets. Bet 2 unit 20 times in a row, but if even or hit a profit, reset to 1 unit bets. Next progression would be 3 units, then 4, then 5 etc...

    Anytime you are even or hit a profit, reset the escalation starting at 1 unit. The progression is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 etc...

    I didn't put a stop loss on it because the downturn was so low...

    I am assuming this is something close to the method Jae plays "flat betting".

    Highest I got in the progression was 15 unit bets...keep in mind this is only 23 shoes. Tonight will go the casino to test it out live.

    So this is what the progression looks like in practice:

    1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5 etc....

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  2. Baccarat Magician

    Baccarat Magician Active Member

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    Here is the final shoes...

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  3. cps10

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    Good post. Will take a while to digest but thank you for posting an actual method.
     
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  4. Baccarat Magician

    Baccarat Magician Active Member

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    No problem, I'll post later how my live casino session goes.
     
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  5. SON HUYNH VAN

    SON HUYNH VAN New Member

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    I remember a cat on youtube who used a modified version of this money management where he flat bets 1 unit until he loses 5 units, then he would flat bet 2 units until he makes a profit or loses 10 more units, if lose 10 units then he flat bets 4 units and repeat the above steps. Cat claims it works, but all I see it is just a different way to play Labouchere where on the martingale, 1 win erases 2 or more losses. I attached a spreadsheet of winning/losing results that I have (about 2300 hands, including winning on P or B, all kinds of winning/losing streaks) so you can apply any money managements you like. With my results I have similar down swing as you (around -150 units drawdown).
     

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  6. Baccarat Magician

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    Thanks for the info, I'll take a look
     
  7. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    @Baccarat Magician . If JAE had a flat bet method I never saw it. What he posted was a strict Oscar's Grind started with a Bias delay.

    Foolproof? Two problems with Foolproof. Commission if only bet B and if not at some point you need more and more WIAR to recoup.

    Cheers
     
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  8. Bactz

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    I was just just playing this one on P and it still worked. Just wondering if this would still work in roulette? I will have to test it out.
     
  9. Bactz

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    What would the bankroll be for this one? (Love this one)
     
  10. Baccarat Magician

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    $25-$30k at least, playing $5 units probably
     
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    That is 5000 to 6000 units.
    Few people can start off with that much bankroll.
     
  13. Baccarat Magician

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    Then you shouldn't start lol
     
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  14. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I got Bailey's book from Dr.Tom years ago. I've read it many times. I have used Foolproof live to the 12th step. But stretching it is not practical nor will it change the outcome. Better to use cutbacks to reduce escalation.

    You can't lose forever and the casino "owes" you nice wins after losses.

    Say LLLLLL 123456 = L21 units. Halfback to 3 for WWWWW = +4 units less the vig. The win rate only 45% but still profit. It doesn't matter the order how the L and W come. It still works out the same though the vig will probably get you as you escalate. Same is true with a stretched version.

    His +1,-1 Flat a better progression but you're still going to have to use cutbacks. You might want to base the cutbacks on your W/L % or how close you get to break even. That's what I do. Example if I have a 7 unit bet next but I got back to down 3 units I'd rather just bet the 3 units. If lose I pick up from there because at that point my W% is probably low and my expectation is it will turn around...at some point.

    BTW. I don't use either of those progressions.

    J
     

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    +1/-1 seems to be the “hot” progression these days. It’s very easy to remember and if you are fortunate to get to close to 50%, you are in good shape.

    Jimske your LLLLLL loss of 21 units is interesting because 6 wins gets you 765432 27 units at 50%. And you’re right doesn’t matter what the order of WL it always comes out ahead. Well, on a true non-commissioned EC bet. In this example on a Banker only bet, you’re losing 1.35 units to vig, giving you a net +4.65. Not bad. With your example, it’s 1.25 units in vig or +2.75.

    I’ve used a variation of this progression for a while but mine is a little more flat than +1 after every loss but effective.
     
  16. Baccarat Magician

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    Agree with cutback, no sense betting 23 units when you are only down -3 units. Bet 3 to get even and if you win reset..reducing escalation is important so you dont bust your bankroll and this can done as you say +1,-1 or 1,1,2,2,3,3 or 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3.
     
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    This is similar to how I do it from the get-go.
     
  18. Baccarat Magician

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    Staying even with your bets reduces escalation dramatically and often times brings you even or in profit, but I still believe you should start with a hefty bankroll regardless in the event of bad streaks etc.
     
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