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Roulette Can you flat bet?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Jul 17, 2023.

  1. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    When you start you have all 37 non-hits.

    Is it possible to flat bet using non-hit numbers? Or will repeats come too fast.

    As always like to say what the Dr Sir anyone gave with his 10’330 live spins. Plus, he always spouts on how good random org are with their numbers. Also, from collecting thousands of spins on air-ball, Live German spins and RNG.

    We have an average for non-hits over 60 spins. It is 9-7-5-3 & 30 @ 60 spins.

    So, repeats average is the other way. 1-3-5-7 & 30 @60 spins.

    What do you think, could you flat bet?
     
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    For the benefit of a dumb guy, could I ask?

    Could you make it so that I can relate to the "& 30 @ 60 spins.

    My guess is:
    Each single number can average 9 spins before a hit.
    Three single numbers can average 7 spins without a hit.
    Five single numbers can average 5 spins without a hit.
    Seven single numbers can average 3 spins without a hit.

    Of course there are wild hottest numbers and coldest sleepers to consider also. There will be wild sessions, or even fragments of 60 spins during say 180 to 240 spins, etc...

    I'm working on 3 numbers with my Sim project and used the same average for what you just listed. But I am not considering flat betting. To me it just rounds out to the same result for an even chance bet where the house has an advantage of 53% to 47% advantage using integers on the American wheel.

    Now if you can also include no-bet spins in your selection and placed bets requirement then "Flat Betting" becomes an awesome way to go. For me it would be the best way to prove it works. It would show that situational awareness and use of it makes a difference, no matter what the math suggests must average out in the short term.

    An example of this would be that if you compile a results list of all short term fragments of 60 spins each then you must get the same 53%/47% integer average. But according to a yet known skilled player's capabilities, using situational awareness, you should get an average that is more like 63% for winners and 37% for losers on an American wheel.

    This is what is expected to be proven with an AI, situational awareness Sim. But after rethinking your averages here I might not have to program a computer at all. I just need to program myself, a much easier task.
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Giz.

    RNG-airball-live spins all with thousands of spins shows this average.

    Spins 1-10, 9 non-hits.

    Spins 11-20, 7 non-hits.

    Spins 21-30, 5 non-hits.

    Spins 31-40, 3 non-hits.

    At 60th spin, 30 non-hits, leaving just 7 to show.

    Repeats would be 1-3-5-7 & 30.

    Like RR you watch the stream.

    How many one hits do you allow. If 1-10 has 9 non-hits in 9 spins, you could bet once for the repeat.

    By 20th spin you could have 4 repeats. But members do say 20 spins and no repeats, it is possible. Table 4 has shown this.
    upload_2023-7-17_17-39-15.png 1st 60 spins on 11/7/23
    upload_2023-7-17_17-40-23.png So, if you walked in now 1 repeat in 20 spins.

    It is like Winkles graph showing the 37 non-hits heading to zero. At what point will repeats be the better option. If we know it is possible to see the stream showing 9-7-5-3 & 30. Are spins 21-30 where repeats appear better than non-hits. Is that section of the stream not method WTF? Over at roulette forum.
     
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    This looks like a contradiction to me.

    Should this read that 30 of the 37 numbers have hit with 7 non-hits to go?

    wait, a non-hit is a without a repeat.
     
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    If you would include a thumbnail of your charts I could scale them larger here in the forum and see better. It's almost too small. I have to export them into Paint, save them and then open them in another app to see them scaled larger.

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    Yes, 60 spins usually has 30 numbers hit once; 7 remain.
    If the 30 non-hit account for 30 spins, the other 30 are repeats.
     
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    I mentioned in another post you could have a 10% less for the 50/+50. 5 units short you could stop and reset.
    Spin 15, +45 you could reset.
    Also mentioned numerous times. Up to the 19th non-hit, they have an average of 2 spins to hit.
    Up to the 26th is 3 spins.
    Up to the 30th is 4 spins.
    Now if you watch the stream has the average to hit missed. Now you can make a decision. It is your game.
     
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    60 spins.
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    would you be able to win with flat bet.
     
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    If repeats are fast flat bet will not work.
     
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    This is very difficult on Percocet. My brain is fried like Buffalo Hot Wings on Chrystal Brand Louisiana Hot Sauce and melted butter.

    So 50% are repeats with the seven sleepers still sleeping. There's food for thought. Half of all the active numbers hit again from the last 30 spins of the full 60. That's 15 repeats of 30 spins to go, from 30 active choices. So if you bet on all 30 numbers for 30 spins half of them should win. Looks like a big deal progression might deal with this.

    Still, I see TG's data completely differently. That's the secret that I have missed all along these years. Won't state the obvious as TG has kept his lips sealed on it. Like UI have said. I'm looking at the three hottest numbers.
     
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    Off the top of my head, no.
     
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    Giz,
    Make of this what you want. The 60 spins are in the other thread. So the 11/7/23 is posted.

    The Turbo once said bet every spin over 37 spins.

    Place a chip every spin.

    Some numbers might get 4 chips, might have 2 with 3 chips.

    Get the method? Well, it needs 20 wins of 35-1. As the bank is 703 units.

    It fails more often than win.

    Now you are looking for a repeat. (For a number to hit twice it must hit once) you know the rest of the phrase.

    You can not keep betting 2 hits; you will have too many.

    Then the question is. Who do you drop?
     
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    Here we go.
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    20 spins 1 repeat. We have top 3 with 1 match at what cost. Also top 9 with 1 match also at what cost. If you use F9, a floating 9 numbers, then no match.
    upload_2023-7-17_21-17-45.png
    30 spins. We can see top 3 has 2 matches. Top 9 has matched 6 with the F9 just 1 match. You can see in this stream repeats are slow, -1, -3, -3. Half way with only 6 repeats. That means 24 repeats over the next 30 spins to show as the known average of 30/30. 19, 1x with just 6 more of the remaining non-hits needed. How many 1x will go R1, then when will more R2 and R3 happen.
     

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    40 spins, repeats are neither plus or minus, but right on time. Are we getting good matches? Could this be bet flat or what prog is going to be used as repeats have the advantage?
     
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    Is top 9 matching better than top 3? Repeats caught up, 29 to 31 non-hits, only 6 to find. In the example of advantage of repeats 3, you do not see top 3 with just matches of 1. And this is a live wheel, table 4, 11/7/23 spins 61 to 120
    When the #15 went R3, what is the stake. A unit of 1 or 50 units?
    Will you be using 7 numbers or who have you dropped?
    Plenty of riddles
     

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