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Roulette Gizmotron a challenge.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Jul 27, 2023.

  1. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Gizmotron.

    You have said a few times you have found the way through Turbo.

    Here is the challenge.

    The genius is showing he is top of the tree at R-sim. But losing 48’000 units and further down the line 104’000 units and finally a run that has him top.

    At multiplayer roulette he went on about bankroll resets.

    Now, like you he should show us if he is No1 with just the one bankroll. Who has 48’000 units to lose.

    You can look at high score and see players using 3’000 units on one spin and could be 250’000 in the hole.

    So, Gizmotron, could you have a new account and just show us the name and the 3’000 bankroll.

    Then go private and when you are in first place with that 3’000 bankroll intact; just show the balance graph showing 1st place.

    Or even like Turbo with that never ending bankroll show you sitting on top of the Turbo Genius.

    The forum awaits to see if you pick the challenge up or give some old baloney why you cannot do it.

    Oh yeah you might reveal the secret sauce; not if you do it private.
     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I don't need to take on a challenge that Turbo has clearly decided not to reveal his secret. I'm currently under medicated due to CDC opioid guidelines and insurance coverage. They have me on less than half of the needed doses. I must stick to it or be cut off altogether. I had major back fusion surgery two weeks ago and have to go without pain medication every 4 hours for one hour where my surgain set it up for every 3 hours. The insurance won't cover 3 hours. That's sort of a contentious issue here in the USA and the CDC guidelines that are supposed to fit everyone even if they don't work. They are so scared of being sued for being legally responsible for causing addiction. So I won't be doing any R-Sim challenges while on drugs. I can hardly concentrate. I actually tried to go gambling pre surgery and lost badly because I could not think straight at a real live Roulette table last month.

    As far as gambling goes, I'm focused on RR and EC's. I started out on searching for the three hottest numbers and never thought of what Turbo has clearly already disclosed. I looked back in my charting program for his truth and there it was. So I thought about it for a few minutes and realized that I could have used that information back around 1995. What he pointed out works. I also knew that Ken must have discovered it too. He figured out a way to change numbers as you go. If I were into hot numbers I would make the effort. It all comes down to bringing enough bankroll and sticking to your plan. In RR you stop on 3 net wins or 7 net losses. That's bet nothing, if you can. and bet when it looks optimal. Or like me where you bet minimal and then bet the big bets for the optimal bets that count for 3/7.

    I know you are hunting for the secret.

    I built a computer sim here that I shared for the windows platform of operating systems. It shows you how to learn the nature of finding a hottest number. It shows every number as you go along. You can learn all about the nature of hot numbers with that sim. You don't need my challenge. Now I'm going back to sleep having got up in the middle of the night to medicate.

    Good luck, happy with this or not.
     
  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    To be fair, big drawdowns with a bankroll that high is meaningless.
    It is the same math as starting at the casino with $100.00 and losing $10.00, it's not the end of the world.
    It just seems more dramatic when the starting bankroll at R-sim is $150,000 and you are betting $10,000 each spin.
    15 spins later without a win and big drops show up on the chart. As long as it is recovered it matters not.
    Beginning with 3k and sitting at 1M is a 33,233.33% increase from initial starting amount. It's no small thing
    to accomplish when we are told it's impossible. Also there are many various ways to play in the run of sessions,
    some work and some don't. The best way to look at the results is to simply note each time the bankroll is higher
    than it has been and then draw a line connecting those points. It removes the dramatic up and down events
    and shows the session ending in profit, regardless of how the chart swings over time.
    Cheers.
     
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  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Now that's hot number hunting and Coincidental Change trying to tell you that because of independent events, that are never considered in an array of independent events, and that absolutism beliefs in statistical mathematics, this impossibility is cast in iron.

    It's not. What is going on at this gambling discussion forum is shedding new light on statistics as packeted data gathering with an inference on joined conclusivity.

    In the movie "A Beautiful Mind" the point of the story is that John Nash is in search of an original idea. He came up with his Equilibrium. If many things work together all boats will rise. It's a sort of group think concept for economics. And it is used today in many ways. But he had the wherewithal to do the math.

    In this new idea the math is missing and has implications for undoing all known arguments for statistical absolutism.

    If validated, the argument for a rigid statistical conclusion, believed by just about everyone that the house, "the casino, always wins" is no longer the corporate bottom line.

    We know how they will outlaw it. They already have the legal capacity to restrict effective players at Blackjack for counting cards. They will do the same for these.

    Now is the time to use what has always been the truth. Can't wait to see the math. There is no way for me to understand it. In this case the proof arrives before the equation or algorithm.

    Have fun sports fans.
     
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  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here, look at these four titanium screws fusing my spine together to protect the crushed disk that was removed.
    spine2.png
     
  6. Punkcity

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    Oh I see , looks like you’re screwed . Just joking.
    Try not to drive your Rv for awhile, few months as that angle dosent help with recovery. Unfortunately the horizontal surface is going to be your best friend for awhile also as is altering between standing, walking and laying down flat. Work on core muscles and be consistent and concentrate on them when getting up, going down from horizontal or walking up steps. Like random you will work out what works best for you as far as pain management goes , wether the surgery was better or worse than what was is no longer the issue, hopefully you are one of the lucky ones. Good luck cheers
     
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  7. Half Smoke

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    Turbo didn't prove jack sh**

    if he proved what he says he proved he'd be world famous

    no mathematician in the history of the world has every proved that a money management or bet selection scheme can be a long term winner in a negative expectancy game such as roulette or bacc

    nobody knows who he is outside of this tiny little place

    and nobody cares

    if a mathematician analyzed his posts he wouldn't do anything other than ridicule them

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  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Thanks. My at home PT had me up and walking. She walked me for a quarter of a mile, partly up a hill and up and down a set of stairs with 20 steps to it. I did that fine but the next day there is very little strength in my legs. Ouch. So they want me up and walking every day. I drove once to my after surgery consult 9 days after surgery. I got the OK before doing that. Had to come off the Percocet to do that. I just used Tylenol only for that drive. No point in getting a DUI.
     
  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Point made perfectly. That truth that you lean on like a crutch is the notion that Roulette, Baccara, and Craps are all "negative expectancy games." I like it that way too. I like you best as a red herring supporting that notion. The earth was once thought to be flat also. You could sail off the edge of the world.
     
  10. Half Smoke

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    quote Gizmo from his main thread:

    " Step two is to teach the characteristics of randomness. In a sense, like reading printed text is a form of an established syntax or construct, to read randomness you must have a construct for that. I developed a bunch of characteristics to watch for over the years. You hear people all the time with formations that they like, for instance, follow the last. That's nothing more than an item in a construct. The big picture is to see formations of continuation of any kind. Once you know what to look for then you look for the quality of the formation. I see singles and double or larger almost instantly. I can see it in your example once I transformed it into a visual dexterity format."

    time for me to step aside

    if people on this forum actually fall for this crap - then they deserve to lose their money

    let the weak tumble downwards - and let the strong - those who demand absolute truth - go forward and upward

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  11. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm glad you can't see past bet selection. Reading Randomness is not just about a magical belief in a fixed bet selection process and then a magical belief that it alone is predictive. It's all about the effectiveness and awareness of the current results of these bet selections. Using the trend to see if something is working or not at the time is not magical belief. Awareness is the skill. You can use any consistent or non consistent bet selection process in order to reveal conditions. You are not reading the random if you are not aware of the effectiveness.

    Taking advice from this math oriented person is a waste of your time. He is unaware of the skillset needed to do it and yet acts like he knows what it is. You are supposed to respect him. Don't be suckered by his lack of knowledge and skill. It's all just an imminence front.
     
  12. TurboGenius

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    Google me please.
    Yeah, no one knows me lol.

    But you on the other hand, hey - you have 47 likes over 5+ years....
     
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  13. soxfan

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    bbbwwwaaaahhhh, yup, the turbo-"genius" is a serious cat what once claim that joints in the AC actually pay him good cake to stay outta their joint cuz they was scared of his too strong roulettes play, hey hey!!!!
     
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    Maybe you could point to where I ever said that ?
    hey hey ?
     

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    Well, sadly the gambling-glen is no more, otherwise I could point to where you said that, hey hey.
     
  16. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well, we have your "word" for it and I guess that's good enough. hey hey ?
     
  17. Gigi666

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    Turbo went to 1mil+ with more than one account on RS, so what? It does not prove he could do it with real money it doesn't also mean he couldn't. Don't see a point of challenging gizmo. If any of them makes millions in real life good for them. I also don't think showing a winning method or even the so called Turbo secret or whatever you want to call it would mean casinos would go bust or change rules. I guarantee 99% of players here would question every single thing about it, 98% wouldn't stick to the rules of any such gift and 97% would lose money anyway due to inadequate money mgm even if the way to play was spelled out like abc.
     
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  18. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I couldn't agree more. In fact the casinos love it when unskilled card counters dump their bankrolls trying to count cards in Blackjack. At first they were scared, but later they learned that only a few were actually skilled enough to be profitable at the method. So they let them try. It turned out that the casinos were cleaning up on the ones with no ability or bankroll to ride out common variance in any session. So all they do now is watch the behaviour of the players and how good they are. The ones that are effective and win get asked to go play any other game but not Blackjack. That, or they are asked to take their game elsewhere.

    Some are included in a book that they are known card counters. The casinos will do the very same thing with anyone charting RR tactics. They will let the unskilled dump their bankrolls and restrict or limit the players that are effective. But for now it's just a lucky streak.
     
  19. TurboGenius

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    true - and greed mixed with lack of self control. That's all the casino needs to get the edge back plus some.
     
  20. soxfan

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    I imagine that there are other cats still kickin around what remember yer absurd, bulls-shits claim, hey hey.
     
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