Baccarat Bet Selection Options

ill be testing all night we might be on to somthing

 

Sorry to bust your bubble
BUT you are NOT on to something .
Any step martybation is doomed to failure.
Johndeep you are clutching desperately across this forum for the “holy grail” lately. Anytime someone states they will be up all night testing a doomed mm system really should raise the RED FLAG that person is developing degenerative gambling tendencies.

Jondeep, there is no holy grail, there is NO negative progression betting formula that will save your bacon. End of story. Over the last 500 years no one, let’s repeat that “ NO ONE” has successfully come up with that knockout strategy. No disrespect, but do you think you will be “THE MAN” , don’t waste your time and money.
First thing you need to establish is a credible selection criteria that more often than not “WORKS” for YOU. Find what suits your personality then use a flat bet strategy to control the losses, then as you hit the win streak THEN increase your bet size to capture that streak. When the win ends go back to your initial base bet.
You work out playing methodologies, stop , continue, wait for triggers, short sessions, rng or live dealer, large unit bet with huge bankrolls or table minimum unit bet with large bankrolls. Don’t bother trying anything with less than 3 large bankrolls in real upfront money. You have to trial this sort of thing before you go down the wobbly path of any step martybation.

Goodness, get a grip man or you’ll be just a degenerate donating to the casinoverse . Try reading threads here and applying it to your thoughts and work through what you read. At the moment you are understanding little and asking everyone to explain the rudimentary basics that you can answer for yourself by simply thinking about what you are reading. It’s not rocket science, with thought it’s understandable and if it’s not then
1) if it’s that complicated don’t bother trying to play at a real venue under real pressure you will fail
2) if it’s that complex it’s usually bullshit posted by some wannabe degenerate that no longer posts here, you should be aware of this fact by now
3) if you can’t understand it you never will, don’t play it.
Cheers

 

Johndepz - in my opinion - you can be aggressive and bet Marty with three-step intervals - using negative progression.
There is a system called the final system that uses two in a row as a trigger and where you bet for three attempts (betting against series of five)
Up on a loss and down on a win or new high.

The progression that is based on the "Philiberte" system found in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes.

1-2-4
1-3-6
2-4-8
2-6-12
3-6-12
3-9-18
4-8-16
4-12-24
5-10-20
5-15-30
7-14-28
7-21-42
9-18-36
9-27-54
12-24-48
12-36-72
15-30-60
15-45-90

You can set your own limit and check out the Monte Carlo Anecdotes - which is free -
I am more into the cps10 way of doing things in hes progression topic where you slowly increase the stake and slowly make an recovery or break even and restart.

So maybe 111 flat betting and if three loses you increase to 122 - that is a string of 111122
Then you can continue the build with 233 and so on - that would be 111122233
Betting each level until a new high or move down one step when one level is clear.
That is a more conservative approach.

The fact is that you get a steady pace of winning using the methodology I describe using random against random with one cancellation rule.
Is for sure worth a try.

It does not matter what selection you use or with or without a trigger.
The math says it is still 50/50 no matter how we twist or tweak things.

Cheers

 

Jondeep, please read the latest post by member Sputnik , this tread.
My bad , the martybation is JUST what you need. Blindly accept that it suits your financial situation AND most importantly have fun.
I thank you for your donations. The casinoverse thanks you for your donations.

Remember you can always get a loan from somebody or you can work 2 or more jobs to regenerate another martybation bankroll , rinse and repeat. Yes the Martybation will always get you a result , just look how many people succeed and live the lifestyle you so eagerly pursue.

Like I said
My bad.
You marty to your hearts content.
Thank you Jondep

 

If I were to marty, I would do marty 5 like Craps is doing, but with less complicated triggers, because in the end if you use marty, your odds stay exactly the same regardless of entry point. I can just simply follow the winner 5 times, or go against the winner 5 times, or mix match the winner/loser, the odds are still the same. But alas, marty is not for the faint of hearts, and not for one without multiple backup bankrolls. If you have the money, and have the time, just try Jae's Oscar grind with -500 trigger. Sure you can sit on your hands most of the time, but when the trigger comes it's all actions with high bets.

 

thx

 

I would not use Marty at all and skip such aggressive play.
I would put effort into using conservative betting.

One of my favourites is Masianello - I think it's so a clever approach - if you can create a fictive betting approach where don't get as many of both sides you win.
So if you can come up with a selection that doesn't give 10 B and 10 P in any combination during 20 Bets you WIN.

I talk to some punters who quit before the string of events is done and take a small profit.
Maybe that is something to have some fun with.

I am experimenting with Marigny De Grilleau playing models using the Masianello approach.

 

i tried with a stop win of 5-7 u its and failed after the 7th try 10 step chop lol

 

Money management, martybation, 1 up 1 down on a loss money system etc

THESE and any other money method

IS NOT

the answer to non existent selection criteria

IS NOT

the holy grail


If you don’t have a credible selection criteria

NO AMOUNT of money is going to fix that glaring problem.

You have to have a winning selection criteria

THEN
You use money management to HELP you when you are on a winning or losing session.

It is not the sole solution, but it’s one , repeat ONE of many many tools you need to be successful .

The rest of the tools needed have been outlined in various threads this forum. Most readers could do themselves a gigantic favour by tracking that information down.
Do some homework, don’t be that person that thinks martybation or some other hybrid exotic sounding negative progression is the answer to correct selection criteria, because someone says “gees that could be fun to try”.

 

Johndepz go back and start at the very beginning of this thread, page one , post one . The thread is dealing with a discussion on selective criteria, it offers some interesting information to think about, it suggests testing and evaluating, it also has a disclaimer that roughly says not going to work for most people due to various reasons.

The original poster Junketking has unfortunately been drummed out of this forum due to a personal conflict with another poster and the liar tag is due to making sock puppet and IS NOT being tagged liar due to any false information regarding baccarat.

As abrupt as he can be on occasion his information is pretty sound. This particular thread is worth your while to re read and take notes and re work some of his example given, choose to ignore many of the other posts that are not directly related to junkets posts. He is actually giving you a methodology that’s very useful, not necessarily the actual column information but the process to model whatever you personally come up with to use as your primary selection criteria.
Yes he does suggest mm is important but 98% of the thread has little to do with discussion by him in regards to actual mm.

One of my recent posts here this thread I say there are many tools in the toolbox and that information is shared on this forum, I have gone back and re read most of this thread from inception.
This thread is a good start for you.
Then check reading random thread in about 3 weeks after you have understood what was going on this thread. Then in about another 10 weeks after that thread reading random I can suggest another thread that needs more of your attention. Then by the end of January next year you should be up to speed enough with theories to attempt to go live. During the next 6 months put $100-$200 away each week towards your bankroll. $5000 ish for a $5-$10 min bet table. By then you should have a concept of bet selection, you should also have a realistic m m unit size to use and you will also understand parceling your bankroll to match your game day betting bankroll. So between today and the end of January next year you should not be gambling AT ALL , you should be studying IMHO . Once you have grasped as many tools as you can , bet size, selection criteria, stop loss, emotional discipline etc and a proven method that YOU relate to as if first nature to your needs then you are ready ish to dip your toe into the casinoverse. Mho.
Good luck and please understand no disrespect towards you is intended by me. I find it morally unacceptable that people tell others to gamble for fun or they suggest that martybation etc is the way to go. I firmly believe that no degenerate traits should be put forward on a gambling forum to be used by the less experienced or potential gamblers that may have a gambling problem or possibly lead them to having a gambling addiction.
Cheers

 

thx

 

If FUN is what you are after

DONT GAMBLE WITH YOUR MONEY

If you are looking for FUN from gambling , you have a degenerate addiction.

Put your money to better use, select a charity, spend it on your family, set it on fire on the street anything is better than putting into a slot machine or throwing it at a table at the casinoverse for FUN.
What a load of shit.

 

You are welcome.
I hope I have been of assistance.
Cheers.

 

deff not fun i play 5 times a week i usually win 4 out of the 5 times but only about 5 units per trip looking to up it

 

Just a quick note on the marty. I'm not reading this thread again just commenting on the take on the marty. Johno had written before that at that time he was using a 3 step marty. He stated that if you can't withstand a loss of 7 units you should not be at a table gambling to begin with. Sorry but I have to agree with that. If you lose the 3 steps why in the heck would you continue to escalate your bet? Labby or Fibo to recover. I know early on he used a fibo to recover but it can still drown you and he would break it down to single to work a labby.

Everyone keeps on saying to have sufficient bankroll. A sufficient bankroll would depend on bet selection and breakdown of your mm. If you used a 3 step marty the start is only 7 units. If you looked at it as quarter, half, and then whole unit a loss would only be one and three quarter units of bank roll. How much would you then need to recoup with your style of play? Flat betting at that point or Fibo, Labby?

 

I also love the sufficient bankroll blast. There’s NEVER a sufficient enough of a bankroll to beat the house. There just isn’t. But how you manage your bankroll through losing streaks CAN make you a winner regardless of the method you employ.

 

Agreed with most of this by you and porky.
My take is the martbation is the go to tool for the novice and degenerate gambler.
There are ways to win , you still need a sizeable bankroll that is not becoming scared money.
My point of Marty nation is why wait to lose the 3,4, or 5 step, why not just lump sum to one bet , get it over and done? At least if you win you get more than the usual 1 unit return less commish, if you lose go home. Simple.
Cheers

 

I hate long Marty progressions as well. There’s always that bad losing streak.

 

Yes agreed, as often happens so many people dress it up like putting lipstick on a monkey’s ass and calling it Delors, the shit still happens. Numerous posters this forum no longer post their “win” marty ratios as the gospel they touted because eventually they come to realise from cold hard facts, it’s not. They slither back under the used condom they came from.
As much as people like to say/post Marty, labby etc will make the difference in wether or not the selection criteria is viable that is obviously incorrect. If it was the case then casinoverse would have shutdown eons ago.

Yes we can rehash until the end of time the limiters put in place by casinoverse to stop effective use of Marty etc. it is meaningless. The concept that selective criteria is the only way is also incorrect, or for that matter the combination that your criteria if it’s good enough will be enhanced by marty etc. and therefore martybation etc is correct use of mm is also defective thinking.

I would also reiterate that a big bankroll is the 2 nd most important aspect in casinoverse activity.
Note and understand

The big bankroll is not to bust the casinoverse and any thoughts along those lines are just degenerate wishywashy magical retardants hooked on the rush of maybe getting a “win rush of adrenaline”

The big bankroll is to enable you to come back tomorrow after the today break even/losing session. The big bankroll is for the person that understands you don’t have to be a net take home winner every session, you know you have a good selection criteria it didn’t work today and perhaps yesterday BUT you have parcelled up your bankroll into daily/ session proportions, plus you discipline to ensure you can comeback tomorrow and continue. Then you can reclaim the losses when the time is actually responsive to your selection strategy as opposed to yesterday losses as being a non-responsive selection session.

Many many people make the mistake that every session must be a winner, therefore they must use methods like martybation etc to achieve that misguided conclusion.

Your aim should never to bust the casinoverse but to use the more than adequate bankroll anyone from all levels of table minimums can and should achieve.
As an example of bankroll per flat betting would be
$100 min bet you need 10 times that as a session bankroll . That session bankroll is a minimum of 1/5 of your overall bankroll, this in my opinion is the absolute bare minimum one should be PHYSICALLY HOLDING in cash as a bankroll. Not pretending bankroll ACTUAL bankroll , dedicated to baccarat bankroll, not to be used for anything other than baccarat.
$100 x 10=$1000 = 1 session bankroll
$1000 x 5 (1/5 ) = $5000 = 5 session bankroll
If you are a $10 better you need a $100 and $500 bankroll etc.

Personally I take double the bankroll.
This thread reads for selecting methods, to enable thoughtful discussion and reflection on possible strategies, THEN you work out how it can apply to you. Does it meet your needs/ personality etc.

Then you utilise other threads this forum to increase your knowledge to incorporate the many layers of information you need to become that professional you should be when it comes to baccarat/roulette.
Please disregard this post if you just want to donate “fun time” money . Cheers

 

I’m with you on that double bankroll as well. No sense in getting caught with your pants down in the casinoverse.