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TurboGenius Note Keeping From Live Play

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Aug 28, 2023.

  1. Gigi666

    Gigi666 Active Member

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    I won't spam more tests here, as its your testing ground ;) others can easily replicate your steps and run their own sessions.
     
  2. Platton

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    I wanted to do the test on the first day of publication, then I wanted to yesterday, but they still don't raise their hands to it. Because playing online is not an option for me, and there is a real casino only in the neighboring city, and any kind of use of forecasts, such as a phone and even a pen and paper, is prohibited there. Therefore, I will be able to play only with the help of my mind. And how to do this without drawing graphs, I do not know. Therefore, I don't want to test things that you can't use anyway.
     
  3. TurboGenius

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    4th day - skipped yesterday

    +$710.00
    94 spins.

    4 days of play + $2,070.00 flat bet only $10.00 chips.
    Pretty impressive

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    7/7/6/6/7/7
    20/16/13/13/13/13
    29/29/29/29

    But tell me again that random can't be predictable....
     
  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do in your head. You could possibly work around this if the display at your table shows the hottest numbers, but betting them "all" won't work so not sure that's even an option. No pencil and paper allowed ? sheesh.
     
  5. Platton

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    Yes, it's sad. But nevertheless, I have been trying for almost a year to do this with the help of your system, as Denis wrote, but what he provided. I tried it at first, but I didn't like it, and then after another reading of all your messages that I wrote out, something dawned on me, and since then I've been trying to play that way. Pen and paper are not much needed, you can remember it in your head. You also showed this method on your RS in May. Nevertheless, I have been testing it for a long time now, not for the whole table, but by dozens, as in this thread. But I didn't have such an idea of using dozens, although it was attractive. But such a method for memorizing will be very difficult, nevertheless, more and more I want to test it for 15k spins from Dublin.
     
  6. Platton

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    @TurboGenius
    I understand that there may still be players like me who have a hard time mastering what you have provided. And you are not so interested in communicating with us at such a level as you used to communicate before, when there were whole battles of negotiations and explanations for a bunch of pages. But you just used to spend so much time and pages on trolls like DSAA, and then they read it all over many times, and it took a lot of time and nerves, and there was more negative benefit than positive. But I'm not reproaching - that's your business. In any case, there is only one gratitude to you.
    Nevertheless, that's why I want to say that maybe you are interested in being with us, and also to answer, could you still at least answer something to the question that I asked on the first page about the bell curve? How to build it in roulette? Answer at least something, and not ignore, since you have appeared, even just "f..k off" ))
     
  7. Platton

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    @TurboGenius I decided to test it anyway. I understand that there are many different options that I think I will test, but nevertheless, to be a start, just like you, then in this first example, after the first 3x number #33, you put on #9 and #21, and after dropping #9 you write that you remove the bet, because the goal of 2 matches has been achieved. But after all, #33 was not matching in the 3x line, and in theory you had to continue playing at 21 to achieve your goal and you just made a mistake, or do I still understand something wrong?
     

  8. Platton

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    Ok, I saw that Gigi had already paid attention to it. That you just made a mistake. Things happen.
     
  9. Gigi666

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    Of course we know well, it will not always be so clean. In the below session first dozen was running HOT to say the least and in 110 spins there was not a single match to get a win on, if one followed same method as you do in your daily sessions. Waiting for a 1st match would save a lot of cash but then there will always be a different variation that will make it a hard work too, so when do you stop? There surely must be a stop loss can't go on forever especially in b&m.
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  10. Platton

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    LoL))
    A very difficult session.
    I still spent the whole day today programming and testing this masterpiece. I have been programming for many hours, and the results of a very dubious nature appeared immediately. Almost immediately after a few winning sessions, it seemed such a gloomy session like yours. Yes, playing flat where on 15x-16x she still came out in a plus, with a minimum, and it took about 400 spins. And then there were a lot of them. In addition, the earnings for the number of spins is very small.
    Again, when you try to close the line, and you only have 1 match, and you wait for the last dozen, and at this time the other two all fall out and fall out, you always remember what Turbo himself said, quoting himself, with that in the 4 part that "never bet on what that's from the last one." And I've always been unable to use it properly. And here it is clearly visible. But then how to play? I also tried, like you, to play the second one at the same time, if the first two came off, and the third one still does not fall out, and there is still no second match. Also behaves badly and often. The number also gets stuck there, and then you wait and see how the other one starts to catch up with it from the very bottom, and eventually overtakes it. Which again leads us to the fact that you need to play when the numbers get hot, and not when they are already.
    That's why I'm asking Turbo to tell, how to build a bell curve in order to study and start seeing when to remove a number or start with new data. There is no way without it. And stop loss has nothing to do with it, unfortunately.
     
  11. HAL

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    Deviation equals bell curve, without it we have a flatline.
    Within this deviation, numbers have a limited number of spins to be profitable.
    What is your definition of deviation, when does it start?
    Or more importantly when does it end?
    This horse race is more then just a race.
    Not going to repeat everything Turbo already said.
     
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  12. Gigi666

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    So @TurboGenius is the secret sauce, spin count limit within which a single number (I'd assume a hot one) is to hit after which I'd be advised to drop it or spin count limit for the "matches" event since the spin that "lap" alas 3x, 4x etc. gets opened?
     
  13. Platton

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    Hi Hal! I also read your wise messages. Thank you for writing, but unfortunately, for me this is higher mathematics, and such things are unknown to me about what you write. Maybe someday I'll remember it when I understand what it's about)) I will keep this in mind :)
     
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    You know, I've thought about it many times. Mako also spoke about the window for capturing races, just in 4 parts. But the only thing I know how to calculate any distance is the average values, which, according to the idea, have a place to be, and should be. It also shows some kind of patterns by idea. But I never figured out how to use the averages. On the other hand, if you play even with a large number of numbers, but with an aggressive progression, then removing any numbers does not matter much, because 5-6 progression will restore everything. it matters if I didn't have time to restore, and the progression is already high, that's where you need to know when to remove the number.
    Well, also about the limited number of spins, I recently decided to test part 1 here, and spent a lot of time on it. I took 1 number, then the second, etc. and found out that 1 is all the best, but the first 4 are also the best as a group. And I decided to check by limited spins, it turned out that 4 numbers up to 6 or 9 spins showed the best results. I just don't know how to apply this to repeaters yet. But I also want to say that I have been testing dozens like in this thread for a long time, and there was an idea to also test the first part by dozens, but then I spent a lot of time on those tests, and they didn't give much sense, so I abandoned it. And after this topic, I remembered and decided to test dozens by first number, and turned out to be much better. And even if we take the average values, and let's assume the average values for 4x are 37 spins, when, as for dozens, the average value for each dozen for 4x is 55 spins, which is much more, but it is clear that this should be much more exploitable. But how to exploit dozens correctly is not clear to me yet.
     

  15. Gigi666

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    Dropped you an email @TurboGenius hopefully will hear from you, either way you can delete this post afterwards.
     
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  16. Platton

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    @Gigi, have you wiesbaden 10k spins? Can you share if you have?
     
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    You can download from RX but that'd be like 500+ days since their usual spin count per day is 160-220.
     
  18. Platton

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    Sorry, but have not rx. I think that you have that 10k spins that Naughty talk always. Ok. Nevermind then.
     
  19. Gigi666

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    Just log in to any online casino and grab last 500 spins whatever, dont think you need b&m spins to test something. What is your goal? To find holy grail that always wins, that won't happen I am sure Turbo does not always win either. You have to accept a loss from time to time, either online when casino screws you over with dropped connection etc., or in b&m when they close the table on you or you just ran out of time in a bad session.
    You can win 200 sessions in a row banking 10-50units and then lose few sessions in a row, if you are unlucky to have just increased your stakes it can still wipe you out or for other bad money mgm practices reason.
    Repeats are good way to try and exploit, matches in laps, whether using dozens or not, seem a good way to exploit randomness too. My stats show 75% chance that a "lap" will have at least 2 matches from previous one, I think its something around 25% for 3 matches.
    Most common "losing streak" so not hitting 2 matches is 2 laps in a row, but of course with 75% win rate you are still to expect a 6-8 losing streak at some point if many games are played.
    Winning streaks though are way more expected, so maybe we can use that to our advantage? Of course the first match might be the leader running up like mad (seen many times a hot number hit 5 times in 15 spins, would you catch it then if you waited for a lap to open before betting for a 2nd match?).
    Many questions to answer and that is not even touching on spin count. Could you target the leader when it surfaces for X number of spins to catch its "magic" run and consecutive wins?
     
  20. Platton

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    At the expense of spins from a real casino - yes, of course, I think I need spins exclusively from a real casino. And I have many series of spins, but I am testing on 3 series of spins of about 1000 spins each, which I collected myself from the dublinbet. I have other plus-minus series with the same number of spins. But I'm testing on these ones, because they're all very different. And for all the years of testing different ideas and methods, as soon as I got good results on one on one and even 2 of these series of 1000 spins, then on some third it necessarily failed. So for me it's a great way to check that something works for sure. I also have, not mine, but taken kind of from a good source, too, for a long time, 15k spins also from dublinbet. And I test on them too, if there is a good result everywhere on all three series.
    So yes, about the goal you're talking about - of course yes! Of course I want to find the "Holy Grail" or something close to it. And you're saying there's no such thing? Lol. Well, for me it exists with absolute certainty since the time of Vaddy, and that was oh so long ago. What Turbo provides here suggests that there are so many of these Grails that there is enough for everyone for every taste. That's what Vaddy was talking about, by the way. Whether Turbo can win every time - there is no doubt at all. Every time Denzi does it the same way, the same Hal who wrote above, Fossel, Frodo, Mako, Eugene, Bitrok and many others, and these are only those who showed up. For me there is no doubt about it. Although I do not know how it is done, but reading everything that Turbo wrote, logically I understand that it is done and even how it is done. Due to what.
    And this is already a transition to the topic of what you are trying to say about repeats. And it is connected for me with what I wrote above, about the logic that is clear due to which they always win. Firstly, as Hal wrote, this is not just a race. I don't know exactly what he meant, but I realized a long time ago that this is all just an analogy, not a way to play! Because I don't need to explain to you that you have already tested yourself for a long time over all these years. What is missing for winning, it was 3 years ago, is knowing when to reset either a specific number or all the data. Everyone talked about it, who found it. This has something to do with the bell curve, and in fact this also applies to the limit of random, which is written about even under a stone here on the entire forum. For me, it's a dark forest. Even rereading all Turbo's messages, I could not see where he wrote about it, or rather how it can be determined. Maybe he explained it somehow, but I don't see it and it doesn't reach me, he writes about it. But this knowledge alone would be enough to win every session.
    Another point that pops up every time you read all the Turbo messages every time is that it's all about patterns. That's what always pops up every time you re-read. And it really would be easy to win, too, when you know and see what pattern random is playing out at the moment, and you just fill it out. That is why in the early messages he explains why, let's say from the top 1 number that appeared 9 times, and the other numbers were certainly less, then he was on it only 1 time!!! But he was many times on others who dropped out less. And it certainly doesn't correspond to horse racing in the way he provided. Because there he was just filling in the pattern. But, as I have already written, I also have not figured out how to identify these patterns that always occur. I know only one pattern known to everyone - this is the 2/3 pattern. This is the only thing I know that always happens.
    I wrote a lot again. And so. Since all this is not available to me, and I cannot open it, nevertheless, I am looking for a way to win every time. Yes, losing is not a bad thing. I will even say more that if I had the Grail, then I understand perfectly well that you will need to come and lose on some days on purpose, because even in b and m you will be determined quickly. I believe that you always only win, sometimes you have to lose on purpose for this. But nevertheless, if, as you say, they make this loss for me on purpose, that I should be sure that I can always come next time and win back this loss, and not hope for bad luck.
    So, as I said here already, I didn't find all these Turbo methods, but I was looking for a way to at least dump data so as not to go too far, but at the same time you should be in the plus. In fact, the same thing. Just win every time for at least 2-3 cycles and start over. And since without this information I do not know how to win with repeats, I recently discovered during the tests, if you add to the replays the singles that Turbo also told about, but I did not approach them, because I wanted to figure out how to play with races correctly first, then other tests, that of course it didn't work out for me, but now the addition of these singles has given an amazing result. And now I spend all my time testing these singles, which of course should have been done a long time ago. They give me that even if I chose the wrong repeat(s), that they support me all this time until one of my repeats starts going up and with an aggressive progression I always go to the plus without going far in both progression and loss. But I'm still setting this up. And I set it up by testing. So in those three sessions of 1000 spins each, I have very good results in the entire history of my tests - more than 1 chip per spin. But in these 15k spins, for some reason, there are sessions where the progression goes beyond the table limit, which is not acceptable. And even the tests for individual singles showed good results in different variations in those three sessions of 1k spins, then in these 15k - again very negative. That's why I wanted to test it on some other spins from real wheels in large numbers, of course. Well, that's too much expanded, but it turned out that way. I ask for forgiveness.
     

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