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Baccarat Ching A Ling

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Oct 5, 2023.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I know gambling forums can vanish - I have seen it happen from 2007 to today.
    So when I see a good topic I save it into PDF and into my gambling folder on a removable hard drive.

    Ching A Ling is a person and gambler who made 300K playing hes method.
    He busted once and still had around 250K during one year of playing.

    He post hes method in public and show details about how he played.
    Some members copy hes rules and information and succeed in making money with the same success rate.

    After a couple of months after that, the forum vanished
    And lucky me who copied the whole topic.

    Is rare that successful methods are posted and I notice when they do because of my experience.
    And can comprehend when other reports succeed there has to be real value.

    After several attempts to try to get the method to work, I have failed.
    Today I crack the method and finally can feel success rate and the value in the selection process.

    I will combine this with Baccart, Roulette, Horse Race, and Over/Under 2,5 goals market sports.
    You know when you are on to something.

    I ran a 1000 trail sample and never had to use recovery level two.
    There is 4 level of progression with six steps.

    If you want a copy of Ching A Ling you can reply to this topic and I will upload it on the Internet.

    At this moment I feel very happy :)

    Ching A Ling.png
     
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  2. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    Hi Patrik,

    You know I am interested in this!
     
  3. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    I remember reading the original thread of this when it was going strong and the guy just kept winning with it.
     
  4. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    Here is the original thread to satisfy anybody's curiosity.

    Roulette Forum | The Ching-A-Ling Strategy (archive.org)

     
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  5. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    It’s a good one!
     
  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Hello - here is an update where variance shows its ugly face - but is a marathon and not a sprint.
    I would have won a win target with +4 units several times and with this sample, I used the recovery level two once to break even and restart.

    Will make more than 1000 trail samples to see when there is a strong favoring and when there is a bumpy ride as below.

    Ching A Ling 2.png

    In the original, he described strike rates with several +4 unit sessions and then faced with recovery levels.
    And sometimes zig-zag where you win a couple or one session and then faced with a recovery level, bumpy ride.

    So the data above is slightly better than that.
    As we get below the zero mark once and then recover nicely.

    I will do +4 unit sessions after some more 1000 trial sessions.
    Because I want to see the long-run performance ups and downs.

    Here is the 4 levels progression

    1 - 1,5 - 2 - 2,5 - 3 - 3,5

    2 - 3 - 4 – 5 - 6 - 7

    4 - 6 - 8 – 10 - 12 - 14

    8 - 12 - 16 – 20 - 24 - 28

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    Cheers
     
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  7. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Now I will change the testing to +4 win target and do a 100-session test.
    Again a bumpy ride where we gain +5 units and then the method drifts around even for 300 trails until hitting zero.
    That is the reason I think is better to use +4 win targets than using 1000 trail samples.

    Drift Ching A Ling Part 3.png

    I ended up at recovery level three once and recovery level two twice during the 1000 trail sample.
    So in total 3000 trails, we reach the third recovery level once.

    So around any two weeks of gambling each day for 200/300 trials, you will face a third recovery level.
    That is similar to the original so that all good.

    Ching A Ling 3.png

    Next update 100 sessions with +4 win target.
    Exited to see how many trails each session takes and what recovery levels will be used.

    Cheers
     

  8. Duongban1984

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    I have looked at the ching A Ling strategy. There's one thing I wonder about and don't understand: the chain ratio is 3/4 compared to single bets in baccarat, I think it's wrong. Because according to the data I have compiled on betting websites for more than 10 years, each column will have 6 rows. Normally, a hand will have 60-65-68 bets, and will create an average of 30-35 columns. Inferred: the number of single bets compared to series ranges from 48-52%. Please give me advice, and by the way, please forgive me because I'm not good at English, I use google translate
     
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  9. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is how i will do the test

    1) i will write down +4 units for each session
    2) if i dont reach +4 units and bust first level i will recover with the other levels and write +0
    3) I will write a for level 1 b for level 2 c for level 3 d for level 4
    4) and note how many trail each session take

    Cheers
     
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  10. baccarou

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    It's interesting because I was reading around a lot of the different forums this morning for an hour or so (both old and new) and normally after a period of time, things unravel and whatever was the flavour of the day gets tossed aside because it doesn't work so well anymore. Not so much with this one and it was still getting good reviews for years after as a very good MM plan.
     
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  11. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I made 20 sessions and if you play 10 sessions each week you can make 330$ Look below:

    +4,5 trails 76 a
    +4,0 trails 14 a
    +4,0 trails 26 a
    +4,5 trails 69 a
    +4,0 trails 15 a
    +4,0 trails 20 a
    +0,0 trails 108 a, b
    +4,5 trails 27 a
    +4,0 trails 10 a
    +0,0 trails 166 a (drift pass 100 trails)

    10 sessions +33,5 units
    One recovers at level 2

    - - -

    +4,0 trails 8 a
    -0,5 trails 92 a, b
    +0,0 trails 149 a, b
    +4,5 trails 35 a
    +4,0 trails 56 a
    +4,5 trails 52 a
    +4,0 trails 56 a
    +4,5 trails 32 a
    +4,0 trails 46 a
    +4,5 trails 36 a

    10 sessions +33,5 units
    Two recoveries at level 2

    - - -

    I am amazed that my selection is so stable and good and the progression in four levels is a very nice money management method.
    Will update and continue ...

    Cheers
     
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  12. cps10

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    Hi Patrik,

    How long do you think this would take in any given week and is this baccarat or roulette?

    Also the original Ching A Ling is 6 bets per level where he goes up $6 on a loss and down $4 on a win. Are you using a similar path? I notice yours is just five bets per level which is good if you ask me.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Keith after each session i wrote trails
    That is how many outcomes i played
    The largest was 149 outcomes
    In real casino maybe 3 hours roulette
    with 50 spins each hour

    With baccarat i dont know.amount for one hour
    The test are made with RNG and no house edge
    Pure 50/50

    I reckon if you get a quick session
    30 trails or less you can play a second session

    So minimum 10 session each week real casino
    Or online

    I use six attempts see progression above
    On a win i lower the bet two steps

    If i am in negative or hovering around and nothing happens after 100 outcomes i take an break even

    Cheers
     
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    I see that now. I was attributing the first number as the level #. My apologies.

    Is your bet selection looking for the series? I have an idea for some bet placement and if using the Ching A Ling it would probably be fairly consistent without having to move to too much recovery.
     

  15. Peterpan

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    For any starting level of this progression the following rule could be applied:

    Level 1: any starting value, +60% of the starting value on a loss, -40% of the starting value on a win; max bet is around 3.4 times the starting bet, there are 6 steps including the initial bet
    Level 2: 1.5 times Level 1
    Level 3: 2 times level 2
    Level 4: 2 times Level 3
    A total of around 130 times your Level 1 starting value needed for the total bankroll

    But I couldn't find any long lasting betting selection..
     
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  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Keith i will tell you one secret
    I play the first three bets and if i win restart
    Is a three bet loop on an rolling basis
    If i lose three bets i aim to win twice

    Resoning
    You profit for the two bets and lose half unit on third and catch two events on the higher level
    Up one down two

    It slow down the winning phase but you buy or get more events covered when you pass the third and after that gain a win you get some extra for the second event to hit

    Cheers
     
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  17. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You can win using one side only
    If you are going to use both sides you need to use singles versus series or series versus singles

    You have to create room for imbalance to unfold
    You can not do that using both bank and player

    There has to be something based upon math and probability
    Regression or that something grow stronger
    Follow or betting against two outcomes is not working

    I test the original with FTL and test some triggers but find the overall performance weak
    My opinion

    I use the law of series and Ecart play

    Cheers
     
  18. Peterpan

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    Thanks for your kind help!
    I will give a try
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I test both one side and series versus singles with my original selection process and it works like clockwork.
    I decided to do 100 sessions each and then if successful I will play online with real money.

    Now to the final test - pick singles versus series - one side only - and if it works you can use that laying favourites with horse racing.

    Cheers
     
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  20. baccarou

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    Hello,

    I think I understand what you are saying.

    Take this as an example and see if it helps you to understand it better.

    Let's look at Banker from a shoe I just played and let's look at the singles, doubles, triples etc...

    Singles = 26

    Doubles = 17 and so multiply the 17 x 2 because they are doubles = 34.

    Triples = 6 and so multiply the 6 x 3 because they are triples = 18.

    Four Timer = 5 and so multiply the 5 x 4 = 20.

    Five Timer = 3 and so multiply the 3 x 5 = 15.

    Six Timer = 1 and so multiply the 1 x 6 = 6.

    Eight Timer = 1 and so multiply the 1 x 8 = 8.

    So we have 26 singles.

    Now let's add up all the rest. 34+18+20+15+6+8 = 101.

    This gives us 26/101.

    When I did the same for the Player, it was 32/77.

    Add them together and it was 58/178 which is almost spot on.

    I hope that helps.
     
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