Baccarat Ching A Ling

thank you very much
I also accumulate many small wins. A day, I go to the casino to bet on average 4-5 times. Every time I enter the casino to bet, I win +5 units and will exit. and average 1 month, the amount of money in my account increased 3-4 times. My bank account is about 200 times the betting unit. but some day. If I enter and lose first, I will increase the amount to win back (according to the ladder). If I increase it more than 3 times and can't undo it, I will easily lose my account, because at that time I officially lose control. That's the error I often encounter. The longest time I haven't lost my account is 5 months. And on average, after 1 month, your account will be lost once.

 

Well, it's a risky business. One of the pitfalls of going for continued small winnings is that you get that used to winning, that a loss comes as a jolt and as you say, if you are too determined to get it back, you can lose all the small gains very quickly.

I was in the Casino several weeks ago and I had a very tough session but managed to hold it together and win a bit. So I go to the cashier and say to the lady 'phew, that was a close one' and she just looked at me kind of staring and said ''that's why it's called gambling'' lol. Maybe I had forgotten.

 

You are right, we are used to winning every betting session. Entering the casino is a winning bet, entering is a winning bet. We bet 4-5 times a day and bring out winnings 4-5 times/day For many days like this, we are not willing to accept even losing a bet. So... lost all the results accumulated over hundreds of previous sessions, even lost the original capital.

 

Here are the bets for the strategy:
 (Level 1 - $10-$16-$22-$28-$34-$40 = $150 (Up $6 on a lost, down $4 on win.)
 (Level 2 - $15-$24-$33-$42-$51-$60 = $225 (Up $9 on a lost, down $6 on win.)
 (Level 3 - $30-$48-$66-$84-$102-$120 = $450 ( Up $18 on a lost, down $12 on win.)
 (Level 4 - $60-$96-$132-$168-$204-$240 = $900 ( Up $36 on a lost, down $24 on win.) 
 Any two consecutive wins decrease to whatever level value of the that level, (if Level 3
 and win two bets in a row instead of going down $18 you decrease by $30), 
 but never lower than the starting level amount.
Sorry, I have to run, have to be on job sight early to met architect. I know their


question do you go down when you win?

 

Yup. Can you go 50 without busting? Sure. But we still have the same ratio problem going fotward whether or not we increase the stake.

I estimate that deep progressions like Chingy need pretty close to 90% "game" win rate to avoid ruin. Maybe 85%. That seems easy to achieve when we win so many sessions but.....if we have enough data with a fixed bet selection the risk of ruin can be calculated. In the meantime it's anybody's guess.

Cheers

 

How do you bet decimals?

 

Online you have baccarat at 0,5$ 1$ and so on, stake 1$ and add 0,5$ next bet.
Real casino with Airball, same thing.

But with real casino baccarat, I think you need to start from 2 and then stake 3 as a half-unit and then 4 and so on.
Same with roulette, if not you can buy in for 5$ colour chips and stake two as 10$ for the minimum on even money and after that 15$.
Nor sure have not tested it.

Cheers

 

I got back and read some posts from the original topic where the author wrote:

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    You only go to the next level of the strategy when you lose the bankroll for that level.
    If it’s a $10 base unit Level 1 - the bankroll is $150. If you don’t reach your goal of
    4 to 5 unit wins ($40 to $50) and lose the $150 you move to a new table and start
    Level 2, which is a $15 base unit with a bankroll of $225. The same rules apply for
    Level 3 and Level 4. You always stay at Levels 2, 3, & 4 til you recover, these are
    recovery levels. Once you’ve recovered your losses, then you return to level 1 and
    begin again. Never lose more than 1 level bankroll per table, always move to a
    new table to start the next level.

Should we understand that he plays on a rolling basis with level 234 until full recovery?
I made two sessions where I won my win target to recover a lost level.
He indicated that you stay on each recovery level until a full recovery.

There is one reason why I can not make up my mind about this dilemma.

When targeting two sessions win targets to recover one level, let's say level three.
Then I also need to play level two and win two sessions to win the target to recover the first level loss.
As I jump from table to table I need to win four sessions and win targets for a full recovery if I end up at level three.

So summary for me end up with that is the only difference is one and I don't know if it's a significant difference.
He continues to reach hes win targets to full recovery without changing table or reaching win targets several times as my example.

Wanted to express this difference and see if this affects the overall results.
It's the last puzzle to fully decipher the Ching A Ling original FTL method.

Find one selection process where he explains the betting step by step.
And that is correct with my assumptions.

Code:

R
R W 1
B L 1
B W 1,5
Z L 1
B W 1.5
R L 1
B L 1,5
B W 2
B W 1,5

+3 Units

 

My personal belief is that if someone has a good bet selection, then something like the Chingy can help smooth out a few rough spots along the way should they be encountered. I suppose the real question should be is the extra risk worth the reward?

You might win a few more units with the Chingy but then again your base bet doesn't need to be so low when flat betting because you aren't worried so much about busting out on a large progression.

 

the bet selection + the bet strategy and autocontroll is the key in this game.

 

Bet Selection. When we talk about bet selection we're talking about some fixed data stream. There are numerous ways to develop a data stream from the outcomes on the main road. So far, it has not been shown that one stream produces better results than another. That's why many have turned to Banker betting only. But that only shows that Bank loses slightly less than Player.

Even Patrik suggests hit and run is needed for successful play. Hit and run just means introducing some kind of subjectivity to be successful.

Progressions. The problem with progressions is how well do they recoup losses and at what cost? My opinion is that some are better than others in this. My own problem with Chingy is the recoup. Returning to the beginning of the same level after a double win is not robust enough. The same is true having to go back to the start of the next level after 5 or 6 LIAR. After losing $150 on level one how do you recoup starting with $15 on level 2? My opinion is we'd be better off backing up 2 or 3 steps on level one and starting there. Something like that.

Cheers

 

I did a little experiment earlier this evening. I wanted to compare 2 flat betting sessions with the results I would get from playing a few Ching-A-Ling sessions.

Session 1)



Playing Ching-A-Ling would produce the following.

Game 1)

1. £1 L -£1
2. £1.60 L -£2.60
3. £2.20 L -£4.80
4. £2.80 W -£2
5. £2.40 W +£0.40
6. £1 W +£1.40
7. £1 W +£2.40
8. £1 W +3.40
9. £1 L +£2.40
10. £1.60 W +£4.00

Game 2)

1. £1 W +£1
2. £1 W +£2
3. £1 W +£3

Game 3)

1. £1 L -£1
2. £1.60 L -£2.60
3. £2.20 L -£4.80
4. £2.80 W -£2
5. £2.40 W +£0.40
6. £1 W +£1.40
7. £1 W +£2.40
8. £1 W +£3.40

There were 3 more bets but not enough to complete a Ching-A-Ling game (WLW would give me £1.60)

So total for the Ching-A-Ling vs Flat was £12.00 vs £8.00 (using a round £1 stake for the flat bets)

Session 2)



Playing Ching-A-Ling

Game 1)

1. £1 L -£1
2. £1.60 W +£0.60
3. £1.20 L -£0.60
4. £1.80 W +£1.20
5. £1.40 W +£2.60
6.£1 W +£3.60

Game 2)

1. £1 L -£1
2. £1.60 W +£0.60
3. £1.20 W +£1.80
4. £1 L +£0.80
5. £1.60 W +£2.40
6. £1.20 L +£1.20
7. £1.80 L -£0.60
8. £2.40 W +£1.80
9. £2 W +£3.80

Game 3)

1. £1 W +£1
2. £1 L LEVEL
3. £1.60 W +£1.60
4. £1.20 L +£0.40
5. £1.80 W +£2.20
6. £1.40 L +£0.80
7. £2 L -£2.80
8. £2.60 W -£0.20
9. £2.20 W +£2
10. £1.80 W +£3.80

So total for the Ching-A-Ling was £11.20 vs Flat Betting = £5 (using a level £1 stake)

Altogether £23.20 for the Ching-A-Ling vs £13.00 for Flat Betting.

So you are getting more bang for your buck with the Chingy and it's why I did the Koetsch thread with the G3M1 to show that Flat Betting isn't always the optimal.

The proviso though as far as I am concerned is that you can't put the progression before the Bet Selection. You need a good bet selection and then within reason, you could use a number of different progressions that are floating around.

Anyway, I suppose we can go around in circles with this one. My feeling is the Ching-A-Ling is a good one and definitely worth having in your arsenal.

Thanks Sputnik for starting the thread, it was fun to research it, test it and take it to the tables.

 

Hello i am not done yet.
I am developing and will update soon

Cheers

 

I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with, thanks!

 

This is the problem with punters on this forum, they forget or just move on to the next idea without solving the current puzzel.
Is the cycles of the doomed.

I am about solving this puzzel and will share it with CPS10 and Jimskey using email.
But first i need some more days fine tuning my selection process and betting schema.

Cheers

 

You’re a gentleman and a scholar Patrik! Cheers my friend!

 

Can someone explain this system to a dummy like me?

 

You are lazy, go to the start of topic and click on the link and read the whole topic about China A Ling

UPDATE details

I solve the ultimate march, the optimal solution.
What left is to go deep into gap methodology

No worrys to lose all 4 levels in one go
Is same as getting above 20 in a row of one colour

The issue is the gap between losing sequences and there is two options

1) Bet until full recovery using next level, Hit & Run, with a new situation and session.
2) Bet partly recovery with next level and after move down to previos level and win two sessions for full recovery, Hit & Run, two different situations

Easy explination

The losing sequenses are six in a row, direct loss
Or seven loses and one win

When you get one losing session you need the other mixture of singles and series to chop in certian order to recoup before the next losing sequence appear, is like using a time line with gaps between each losing sequence.

a) Do we aim for one recovery and bet for a gap to encounter a full recovery, longer mixture of events to recoup
b) Do we aim for shorter mixtures of timeline to recoup until next hit of a losing sequence and we need to win twice of sush situations for full recovery

The original and this is important as he achive one year of income with that approch.
He go for full recovery option 1 and a

So i look at this in full deept
Standard win is +4 units with staking 1 - 1,5 - 2 - 2,5 - 3 - 3,5
And a loss is around 12/14 units

With level two a win is +8 so we only need a half win more with two more winning bets of +2 that equal +4 and with +8 are +12
So the extra mile for full recover is smaller then option b but we need some extra winning events of the timeline gap to achive that then
option b

b We need to win two sessions, shorter overall but two of a kind where we aim for +8 with level 2 and +4 with level 1
That is four winning bets with level two and four winning bets with level 1 a total of 8 winning bets where option a has 6 winning bets

Cheers

 

This is very easy to understand and if you lose 4 levels, that’s just an unfortunate day.

 

My take on chingy. A reason it works so well is because it escalates with percentage increases insteadof whole units. So it keeps the escalation lower than if going up with whole units. Then allows lock up a profit after win a la D’Alembert. Dropping back after two wins also helps reduce escalation. I do all these things with my progression.

However, what I don't like is after a string of losses going back to the first element of the level. It's tough to recoup with small units. So it's not robust enough in my opinion.

So my preference is to eliminate levels and just have one continuous 15 or 20 step using % i increase. Then implement halfbacks or quarterbacks at certain levels to minimize escalation and recover at a slightly higher rate.

A progression needs guidelines and structure but nothing is written in stone.

J