TurboGenius Note Keeping From Live Play

Is it all manual or you have a spreadsheet that fills all in automatically as you track spins?
Add matches column to it for complete picture.

 

Its a mix some auto and some manual.

 

One last session!

 

But the gaps are way bigger than that. I dont know how you calculate a gap. But here goes:

4x to 5x there a 3 candidates

1 is 22 spins 2 is at 12 spins and 3 is at 10 spins

there is a hit, the total spin count is now 47 spins.

Ok you say how many are you going to have. (dont know havent tested that yet)

But lets say there are 2 at max. With an average of 100 spins. So you put in a stop loss of lets say 50 spins.

At some point you're going to have them back to back. And you are in the hole. If you ad an stop loss the spins have to be calculated towards the next win. And if you do that the result is the same as random with the same extreme gaps. (i've had a max over 300 spins)

 

Yes I did a lot of testing with stop loss or stop when x amount of profit is reached. Did not made a dent in the results ... always back to 1:36 (I test without zero because thats way easier)

The more you go down the lane (from 2x to 20x) the matches are becoming more clear. BUT the spin count also increases! I tested for fun going to 100x 100% match!!! Al the time... what was the spin count? Yep 1:36, and same as random with the same max gaps.

You see if you calculate the averages from the candidates the total is always 1:36. Are there 2 candidates on average at a certain point, it takes 18 spins on average for a hit. Are there 4 candidates on average at a certain point, it takes 9 spins on average etc etc

So turbo saying 1:21 hit rate in the other thread is just false. Yes the hit rate is correct if you are right from 2x to 20x ALL the time! Which he clearly isnt so the spin count goes up.

 

So played 1000 sessions from 1x to 6x. The average spins for a hit WHEN correct was 15.1 But the percentage of spins going over 36 was over 40%! (WHEN correct that is) the max was 92. So you saying the max gap was 35 is beyond me. Almost half is going over 36 when correct. (so not even calculating when we are wrong)

 

@Gigi ... there are 2 systems. 1) is the 38 people going into a casino where I'm not much into dropping numbers . 2) is here the top 3. This might be my fault because I didn't make that clear.

But here top 3 .... 35 gap is 35 spins without a hit. Now here's the rub...if I tell you why you will know how I play. Why on earth would I keep betting for 90+ spins without a hit ? If I bet a couple numbers for 35 spins with 1u ...am I really in the hole that much ? What if I continue betting with 3u after things get normal? How fast would I be out the hole or break even? After a huge gap how fast the hits come ?

As I said before...see what's happening and act accordingly. And Ka2 you're testing but do you actually know how and when to place your bets ? As TG said , you can't just play all 3 or just the top number. If you're at for example 2x with 8 contenders are you gonna bet all 8 or just 1 or just wait? We got a top 3 with 2 hits ....that means keep the amount of numbers to bet as low as possible!!!!!

Use common sense and use your progression wisely. For example on RS with 3000u you just can't lose. And not betting on certain spins isn't a crime ....

I can have 3 gaps back to back of 100 spins and I'll still pull out ahead at one point....I'll be at my 3th step in my progression only . Lol.

So how to play? When to bet ? How to catch those matches....it might drives you nuts but you'll figure it out. And for crying out loud stop flat-betting geeeeez.

 

He's saying its max gap for his play, whether he stops then, drop numbers or increases stake I dont know.
1x to 5x is mostly scrappy though as we know lower gaps.
Try testing from 5x and starting around spin 40, I've seen plenty of games where 4x or 5x doesnt happen for a long time hence probably also why Denzie advises to keep stakes low early (if you do play from the start).
Other thing is, you dont need to play all candidates even if you're looking at just top3.
As a stop point you could stop when 2 matches in lap happen and you're in profit.
I also agree showing avg 24/1 in 20x is bit silly, its more what you could get if you're picking the numbers correctly all the time.

 

Yes flat betting won't get you far no matter what some claimed in the past. Thanks for clarification on two seperate play methods.
One more question then on 35 spin gap (by the way I've tested in the past dropping numbers after X number of spins including 35 without much success but I think I was flat betting) is it 35 spins gap for each number you play or group so lets say top3 without a hit/match.
I'd assume its per number so let's say at 4x you're playing top 3, 10, 23, 34 - obviously they came at different spin counts, so after 35 spins withoutba hit you'll be down most likely less than 100u of stake was 1u per number.
Let's say 40 spins passed, you drop 10 and 23 then 21 comes into 4x top spot, you play it and next spin 34 comes so win, would you increase stake on both or just 34?
I also assume you forget about 10 and 23 unless they come into contention again. I know you might not answer this here if it gives out too much.

 

Nice post ! Btw sometimes 1 of 3 matches is enough. Not necessary need 2 out of 3

 

Just as Ka2 I've did some BASIC coding to see the max gaps. Knowing this very useful information I'll use this in my advantage.

OK Gigi I'll give you this one...35 spins as a group. ( you could use 30 or whatever but it works for MY progression) And I'm betting as a group ( meaning 1 or more numbers increase or decrease at the same time )

So I'm guessing you read my advice about drawing a horizontal line between 5x and 6x. Good . You might even think how many you could win flat-betting lol. Ok not lol...seriously....

Now go to TG'S YouTube video and take a look how he played that top 3. Repeat it in your sessions and you'll find out what you should improve. Remember ( and then I'm gonna leave it at this ) .... if you play AFTER the start of a new line you PROBABLY already missed that first hit of the two matches! So now you're playing 2 or 3 numbers going for 1 hit....I wouldn't like that lol.

Use your common sense and you'll know what's coming and when. You bet accordingly. If for some reason it's not safe to bet...wait it out A BIT for example

Again this is probably not how TG'S playing but he wins and so do I.

 

I only tried not playing top number in those tests,otherwise I always do, as you say its obvious from tests not including leader is not the way to go as they escape the velocity of "normal" very often and thats when I think we can catch enough profit and stop.
I've watched TGs video few times, but will work from that angle to figure out a balanced prog. Right now I've been mostly using varied staking on each number based on how many hits they had, but will give group one another go.
Thanks

 

No adjustments made to my current tests to what Denzie mentioned, but a way I played with varied stake (very mild progression based on the drawdown and which lap numbers are in 4x+ lap warranting a more aggressive stake increase if br in negative), wanted to show the results.

My goal was to hit 100u or close enough, no stop loss for the sake of finding out how low my BR can go. (you can see one session ran out of spins before I could conclude)
19 sessions, I won't go into exact details, but I was betting from 1x all the way until profit was reached. Clearly majority did not go beyond spin 100, hence why I noted in few cases where br was around that time. For session 200-13 I did not since it was in good shape hitting wins, so I would not consider stopping.
Going for as is variant:
Total P/L: +2538u
Lowest BR: -881u
Avg profit per session: 133.5u
Total spins played: 1424
Profit per spin: 1.78u (which I dont know about you, but for me is quite a good return per spin)
Avg spins taken to reach the goal: 75

Variant where we stop at spin 100:
Total P/L: +1130u
Lowest BR: -428u
Total Spins played: 1226
Profit per spin: 0.92u

Variant with a set br/stop loss at 600u:
Total P/L: +1640u

Set BR/SL at 200u (rounded up avg based on lowest br stat)
Total P/L: +298u

Not much point to go any further, I know this is a small set and without a stop point, one could potentially hit a nasty sessions that would go beyond -1000u. I guess only way to find out is to run few more sessions.

 

Great testing @Gigi ... you put in the work and it will pay off. I like how you said 100u OR CLOSE ENOUGH. I also have my goal but if I'm nearby I stop. If I'm lucky and I just raised the progression and get a instant hit I might use the extra won units to make much more than my goal.

Another thing I do is when my goal is reached is keep filling in my sheet while NOT betting. ( just play some red or black or whatever to keep your seat ) . All my sheets going to 10x minimum. And I hope for a nice big gap lol...or some clear leader and clear runner up making predictable moves...and I'll jump in again...

Keep testing

 

21 repeats.
I'm not on all 21.

 

I later played few spin files I know are harder for the "horse racing method" and today played including some of your advice and variation of TG's staking from video, but including playing the leader. I did not establish a stop gap yet. The general consensus is there is always a profit point, one could take any new high, but I still feel there will be a nightmare session that will just keep swapping top3 like mad (see few that right of the bat go 0,1,0,0,1,1,0 in matches column.

As you can see the TG1 variant produces better profit while keeping the average Lowest Bankroll the same. What keeps standing out is how most sessions finish before spin 100 or even before spin 74. for the 32-13 and 111-230 spin files if I stopped at spin 100 it would cost me -1240u, so not a small loss considering I am aiming for 90-100u (depending on when it happens) per session, but that still would give a +2684u profit over 25 sessions or 1133 spins played.
Some of these spin files don't have enough spins, but I've marked two in orange that would actually go on to win 1000u+, so might replay some that have more spins and see where I end up.
Is your max gap at 35 because if no wins by then the STD for those numbers drops below 1? (I know a sneaky question about what you did not want to say more )

 

You've noticed some good points...

Exactly, there's ALWAYS a profit point. Do we really need to play till 20x ? I sure hope not. Get in and attack. As you've noticed many sessions end below 100 spins simply because the 1x to 5x goes without those 90+ gaps Ka2 is talking about. As I said before, the more sessions you play the better you get at it. The more clear it becomes when and how to bet.

Now you just need to figure out YOUR plan of attack. It's probably different from mine , TG's or anyone but that doesn't matter. You could even have a few br for a more aggressive Marty each losing session or for longer sessions. You could wait for things to happen before you play . You could stop when you're only seeing 0's . Lots of different possibilities.

Keep your sessions short if you can and reset. If you reach 111 spins you might wanna think about those cold ones waking up too....at least one of those gonna get hot any moment now so why not combine 2 methods at once ....

I'm confident you'll get it in the near future. It will take a bit of work but the pay out is amazing.

Ask yourself this question and answer it honestly to yourself. If I'm looking/ tracking spins without playing....would I be able to place my bets at certain times with a guaranteed win ? The answer should be yes !!!! If you really did 100 or more sessions you could definitely do it. You'd be much more right than wrong ...much much more .....

 

@Denzie @Gigi666

Have you tried this:

Play your system with the horse race. At any time you need to place a bet. Say you are playing the leader nr 1. Randomly pick a different number and play that in stead. At any time the leader or any number you would play normally wins or loses (whatever your rules are) stop with the random number. (so this could mean You played the leader for 40 spins and it would not win and your random number allready has 4 hits you would keep playing the random number until you would normally stop betting the leader)

So what I mean to say is. Swap everyting with a random number. Is there are change in the gaps? (winning losing) Is there a change in the max spins?

You will see that there is no change in the data

 

Correction ***
There's no change in YOUR data . And I'm not trying to bully you in anyway but you're missing some key elements in how to track data . I just finished playing 50 sessions. I've done them all today. And RS is f*cking slow but 50 winning sessions using nothing but 1unit chips . 1u = 1€/$/£/¥/₩ . Most be luck right ? Grins

Only one man to thank for and that's TG aka Ed ...again big thanks.

 

I am on the same page as Denzie regarding you’re data. It’s suïcide if you play leader or any other number for 40 spins. The 50 sessions Denzie played, how many of them went above 40+ spins you think?
You’re problem is, you code something, let it run x numbers of simulations or input from Wiesbaden and then you say it’s always 1 in 36.
If you play each session by hand, you can see what’s happening along the way.
TG’s example with dozens appearing at 1.03/2.83/5... (ballpark) is like Denzie/Gigi/Ka2, winning/break-even/losing.
So back to the horses, it’s all about the winning horse not about Peggy Sue getting 4th place after a good start. And sadly some horses don’t finish at all .
Most players when they play this game they are experiencing FOMO (fear of missing out) aka betting all 2’s, 3’s etc.
So your style of play has to start with reset when profit is made, or occasionally a small loss. Why? Keep in mind a picture of a Bell curve.
When reset you’ve got time to go to the bathroom/order someting to eat/drink or go home.