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Baccarat Pattern Betting

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by baccbilly, Jan 14, 2024.

  1. baccbilly

    baccbilly New Member

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    Hey Everyone
    Been reading the threads for a couple weeks now and have gathered a lot of good information. Big ups to Yeh, Jae, ND, and a handful of other guys. I'm fairly new to Baccarat (30 days in) but have a pretty strong foundation in math and stats. There is definitely some quality posts in here and have been able to brainstorm ideas to tie into my system. I've live bet probably 200-350 shoes and virtual bet another 400-600.
    I think there is quite a bit of potential to a 6-8 step marty(1,2,4,8,16,32,64) using PBPPBBPB. With reset on the pattern once your +1u.

    The guesstimated mean of LIAR for the pattern is 4 with a std dev of approx 2 steps. I'd say you see 7+ steps less than 15% of the time, same with 1-2 steps.

    Learning about the cruciality of MM I'm trying to determine the best path for number of steps. 6 should really be the golden standard because there hasn't been an hour of play where I haven't been +30u after the hour, which would be a 2 hour recovery time.

    Pulling from the OG train of thought. I believe sitting out the first 20-30 hands of a shoe and determining a baseline for when you begin betting. Ex. in the first 30 hands you see 2 or more 5+ steps needed then you'll proceed betting virtually the first 2 steps(PB) of the pattern and enter on 3rd step(P) at 1u. I find volatility comes in bunches and if you see a 5+ step, there is a higher probability of another equally or more volatile pattern coming (The 2 virtual bets then protects from a potential 7-9 step turning it to a 5-7 step, but you also miss out on those units if your prediction is wrong and there is a large run of 1&2 steps; I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too?) this is partially anecdotal and the assumption that entropy is more likely to be continuous in a shoe. Having 20 tables to choose from can expedite this process for me and can watch over multiple shoes at once.

    I'm hoping someone could point me in the right direction of efficiently running a script for a shoe simulator that can analyze the patterns and rules I've outlined above. I have zero programming knowledge, lol.
    As well if anybody has questions, concerns, ideas, anything about the system, I'm be very happy with any constructive feedback.

    Cheers
     
  2. Duongban1984

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    hello neighbor. Between choosing virtual losses and virtual wins before betting. I will choose virtual win, and place a bet. if not successful??? I will wait for the next virtual winning order and enter the order. (I don't play virtual losing, virtual winning) 2. The second thing I want to say is that in the middle of making a 6-7 step Marty bet sequence, it will be very difficult to recover if not successful. I will divide it into 3 marty steps and follow the ladder (3 steps). it will take more time and recovery than marty 6-7 steps, but it gives me more wrong-do-over opportunities. (I don't play marty). 3. I think waiting for virtual winning orders will help us escape "consecutive" losses (maybe 5-12 consecutive losses), waiting for virtual losses with only 2 virtual losses, in my opinion. will be less valuable. Those are my thoughts, hope it helps you a little. Thank you ND, SF, JK, Cps10,...thanks All.
     
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  3. Punkcity

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    You obviously take pride in the fact you believe you are intelligent. Perhaps you are, I’m not quite sure myself. You say you have read a number of posts and various posters this forum, I suggest you go back and re read it all again as you seem to only have selective understanding of what you have read. Then I would say expand your horizons and read a few more articles, threads from a number of diverse criteria that is listed here. The various subjects are craps, baccarat and roulette being the main topics.
    After you have re read extensively this forum, digesting what you have read AND WHEN you actually understood WHAT you have read you will realise how lame your post here is.

    The biggest takeaway you should get as a base minimum is this .

    If a 6-8 step martybation is the holy grail, the path for degenerates to get to riches ,,, WHY is there not threads after threads simply tagged Martybation 6 or 8 steps?

    Why have not one of the posters you shout out to , claiming how you understand them , lol, advocate 6 or 8 step martybation?

    The only people who believe in Martybation are the casinos and the flyby losers that come to interverse sites such as this , they post exactly what YOU have posted almost verbatim if not something very similar.

    Please show me any post/threads here this forum that has shown a workable martybation that has not been consigned to the garbage heap of degenerates, show me a successful martybationist, big HINT to save you some homework there ……
    ARE EXACTLY ZERO.

    Zero now, zero in history and you are delusional if you think you have anything to make it work. You are definitely not as intelligent as you think you are. That’s putting it politely as you asked for constructive feedback.
    You can search the interverse and apart from scammers, system sellers and liars you will find ZERO, yes can you understand ZERO historical data to support martybation is a viable solution to being a profitable professional gambler.

    Like all maphzombies the theorist squawk the loudest, when they actually do go live they fail horribly and slink off into the darkness of the recesses of their minds.

    So to reiterate, save yourself the embarrassment, save yourself some time, save yourself some money, save yourself from your ego, drop everything you just posted as an idea, a concept, a possibility, it will never work.
    Why?
    Better people than you have tried and failed. You haven’t got what it takes, just re read your post.
    Welcome to the forum , I sincerely hope you are able to correct your obvious ignorance by learning and understanding from the really good posters here. If you are unable to re-educate yourself then you are exactly what the casinoverse want from their patrons . They will thank you and I most sincerely thank you for your donation also. Cheers
     
  4. Duongban1984

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    I have read a lot of articles, but mostly they come from bacarat. I will spend a lot of time reading articles in roulet and crap according to your instructions. Thank you.
     
  5. Denzie

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    @baccbilly

    I've heard you're in Cambodia to play at the moment? Would it be by any chance be in Naga Word (Phnom Penh) ?

    Just asking as I would like to know the minimum and maximum bets on the roulette. More specifically the live dealer table with the digital kiosks to bet ...

    Maybe you could have a quick look if you happen to be there :). If not , where are you playing?

    Thx in advance
     
  6. twibble

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    Never forget commision on banker Bet a £1 get 95p return bet £2 get£1.90 return bet £4 get £3.80 back bet £8 get £7.60 back bet £16 get15.20 back bet £32 get £30.40 back and finally bet£64 and get £60 .80 back or nothing as is usual.
     
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  7. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    The matphzombie would know that, lol
     

  8. baccbilly

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    I don't really understand the need to write 10 paragraphs trying to belittle me on how unintelligent I am just on the basis of martybation. You must have been in such a furor on the keys you missed where I was requesting someone to point me in the right direction of running a script on a shoe simulator to actually bring back conclusive evidence. I appreciate your concern but that was the least constructive response I could have received.
    imo, OG is marty just with extra steps
     
  9. baccbilly

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    Luckily I've only played live dealer online so far so have the no commission option. I'm not sure if thats rare for B&M tables but right now not a big concern. Biggest downfall right now is winning on banker 6 when its the 5th or 6th step and you get .5:1
     
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    Duongban1984, Really appreciate the feedback, I'll definitely look into that and see how it pans out on some test shoes
     
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  11. soxfan

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    Query, how does it make any senses-logical to arbitrarily sit out the first 20-30 hand of the shoe, hey hey????
     
  12. fathead

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    I ran your PBPPBBPB sequence on 25,000 shoes, resetting on a either a win or 8 losses. Win percentage was 49.72% so not very good. I think it is because about 93% of your wins are in the first 4 decisions of the sequence and you have front loaded the sequence with Player bets.

    You might consider changing the sequence to BPBBPPBP. It increases the win percentage to 50.25% which is a little better. The 50% payout on some of the Banker wins will be a big hazard, though.
     
  13. baccbilly

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    Sox, my theory is to be able to get insight to what LIAR to expect and what your stop loss should be set at. I don't see a big correlation but not enough to write the idea off completely. It got cold quick eh?
    And Fathead thanks for running that, not sure if I'm reading that right, but 49.72% of the time ended up with 8 LIAR? Did that account for restarting the pattern on a win?
    Yeah I've been considering reversing the pattern, if i'm jumping into a shoe that's 20-30 hands in i might check both patterns and see which is less volatile at the moment.
    Those banker 6's suck, lol.
     
  14. soxfan

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    Sorry, but ain't nothing that you've said makes any sense logical but good lucks to you, hey hey.
     
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  15. Punkcity

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    Lol
    No fury keyboard pounding on my part.
    You need to re read my initial post.
    I suggested you forget everything you think you know, everything you posted has already been done to death, it failed in the past, it will fail in the future and no disrespect to you, but you are not nearly smart enough to make it work even if it was workable.
    Fathead has posted numerous posts, has dedicated threads on the various sims that have been suggested in the past , he incidentally is not the only one to post research on lame duck suggestions . You may want to read some of his posts.
    Constructive advice time , re read everything you have claimed you have read, try and understand what you are reading, re read my post to you, understand what I wrote to you regarding saving you time.
    Your pig, your lipstick ,,,,,you can dress it up as you please but it’s still a pig and your still wrong.
    Lol
     
  16. baccbilly

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    I definitely still have a lot to learn when it comes to table games, and have kept my train of thought fairly fluid the last 30 days. I don't think it is a full stop solution to a permanent success, but could be a tool utilized along with other bet selections.
    Cheers
     
  17. fathead

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    No, 49.72% was your winning percentage. Your PBPPBBPB is a sequence of 8. So I started the betting sequence over either upon a win or after losing the entire sequence.

    The worst loss streak seen during the test was 20 in a row. In the 25,000 shoes 8 losses (or more) in a row was seen 3609 times or every 6.93 shoes, on average (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128).
     
  18. Zhang Wei

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    No, it isn't. OG and Marty are totally different.
     
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    You really should just give up. Just play with what you can afford to lose, hey hey.
     

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