1. Welcome to the #1 Gambling Community with the best minds across the entire gambling spectrum. REGISTER NOW!
  2. Have a gambling question?

    Post it here and our gambling experts will answer it!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Discussions in this section are assumed to be EV- as they are outside of the Advantage Play section. For EV+ discussions, please visit the Advantage Play section.
    Dismiss Notice

TurboGenius Gamblers Fallacy The Final Verdict?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by KarlAtwo, Jan 12, 2024.

  1. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    Well wouldnt it be great for once and for all to get the verdict out from the above?

    It can be so simple:

    The Final Test

    According to @TurboGenius Math, a number that is last, should "catch up" sooner than a chosen random number.

    According to his logic the number that is "behind" should and will catch up better than a number chosen at random.

    Then here is simple test we can do:

    I will provide 200 strings of

    A. 100 strings of the last number from 36 (fair wheel no zero) that is at least 300 spins behind. (The average is about 150 so this number is well behind!)

    B. 100 strings of a number chosen at random.

    @TurboGenius can choose how long the strings should last to his liking.

    I promise I will not cheat, that is not in my interest because I want this to work to!

    After the 200 strings there should be a clear advantage to the strings that are behind. Shall we say 70% correct?

    So what do you say @TurboGenius?

    To be extra clear, I want him to succeed!
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2024
  2. punchdrunk

    punchdrunk New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2020
    Likes:
    2
    Location:
    australia
    Love to see a response, can't imagine it making much sense. Just a shit load of riddles designed to confuse.
     
  3. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    There should be no riddles. He has to provide nothing on how te test was done. He only has to pick 100 strings that according to his logic were "behind" and did better than random.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2024
  4. Denzie

    Denzie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2019
    Likes:
    266
    Location:
    belgium
    Here's one for you...All fallacy at work :)

    Track spins until the end of 2 cycles. (74spins) Note the numbers without a hit . (Probably 6ish )

    3 questions:

    What's the maximum gap before the first appearance of one of those numbers? (Rare event)

    How many sessions on a 1 to 100 ratio did you get without a hit within the next 37 spins ?

    Now pick 6 random numbers and play them for 37 spins and compare the results :)

    I'm curious :finger:

    There's a part 2 but let's start with this easy one first
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2024
    Rond1nell1 likes this.
  5. Gigi666

    Gigi666 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2020
    Likes:
    165
    Location:
    Europe
    Last step should be , pick random X numbers where X= non hits from those 2 cycles
     
  6. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam

    Challenge accepted :)
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2024
    Denzie likes this.
  7. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    Ok Results are in!

    2000 Sessions

    The data for the non hits. The average was 4.8 not around 6. (maybe fault in your data?)

    First Question

    6 RANDOM Numbers played until first hit.

    Average was 37.15

    Max Gap was 408 spins.

    4.8 NON HITS AFTER 74

    Average was 36.89

    Max Gap was 413 spins.

    Second Question

    6 RANDOM Numbers without a hit in 37 spins

    There were 0 sessions without at least one hit below 38

    4.8 NON HITS Numbers without a hit in 37 spins

    There were 40 sessions without at least one hit below 38 (This is because due that some sessions have more numbers than other sessions)


    Second Question Bonus Info

    6 RANDOM Numbers

    12000 numbers played. 7620 hit below 38. 1.57 average

    9664 numbers played 6157 hit below 38 1.56 average

    Your welcome to the original data ofcourse.




     
    Denzie likes this.

  8. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    The Second Question Bonus Info

    9664 numbers played 6157 hit below 38 1.56 average

    Is ofcourse from the NON HIT numbers played after 74 spins.
     
    Denzie likes this.
  9. Quos

    Quos Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2019
    Likes:
    29
    Location:
    Madrid
    My results over 12.000 games:

    Whats the máximum gap before the first apperance of one of those numbers?

    These are the worst scenarios found:

    157 spins with 2 non-hits = 314 bets
    60 spins with 5 non-hits = 300 bets
    99 spins with 3 non-hits = 297 bets
    42 spins with 7 non-hits = 294 bets
    72 spins with 4 non-hits = 288 bets

    How many sessions on a 1 to 100 ratio did you get without a hit within the next 37 spins?

    2.42% os sessions.

    Tomorrow, I will recode the program and show the results with random numbers.
     
    Gigi666 likes this.
  10. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2019
    Likes:
    260
    Location:
    UK
    Remember Priyanka.
    Well she asked a question on why wait for last remaining 9 non-hits from the starting 37 numbers.
    Its over at roulette forum, In notepad page 2. Called ROTT. Replies 19 to 25.
     
  11. punchdrunk

    punchdrunk New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2020
    Likes:
    2
    Location:
    australia
    What about waiting until the non hits get a hit, then start betting on those numbers. Does this reduce the average. Does a rolling 74 numbers make a difference.
     
  12. HAL

    HAL Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2016
    Likes:
    37
    Location:
    Europe
    7620/12000=0,635 it’s the same as 25/37=0,67
    6157/9664=0,637
    Don’t let the law of the large numbers dictate the cycle!
    300/400 spins in b+m is 10/12hrs, way to long.

    After 37 spins, 12 unhit next 37 spins (12x0,33=) 4 unhit next 37 spins (4x0,33=) 1 unhit
    So no need for any testing of this kind.
     
  13. HAL

    HAL Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2016
    Likes:
    37
    Location:
    Europe
    That’s a good starting point! But how many spins you play it? If you think about, do you need to know a max gap of anything? The race starts until the horse (any #) makes it first appearance. A rolling 74 numbers is way to much in b/m.
     
  14. HAL

    HAL Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2016
    Likes:
    37
    Location:
    Europe
    Your logic is the law of large numbers, TG is short term. The horse race is about riding the waves getting out on a ‘+’.
     
    thereddiamanthe and Denzie like this.

  15. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    Ok short term then you agree there should be a difference between your played number and a random number right??? If so, it would have shown up by now.

    And according to @TurboGenius, A number that is behind should do better than a random number that is exactly what he said and if you test this then you see there is no difference. We could this short term as well say the last number after 300 spins should have more hits in x amount of spins versus a random number. But you would see there is no difference.
     
    thereddiamanthe likes this.
  16. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    @HAL Question for you:

    Would a number that is 3000 spins behind, perform better in x amount of spins?
     
  17. KarlAtwo

    KarlAtwo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2022
    Likes:
    12
    Location:
    Amsterdam
    I could test this no problem,but with all respect why should it matter? What law would dictate that after the first hit there would be more hits better than the average? I would do this test ofcourse with a random number as well, so after the first hit play for x amount of spins.
     
  18. Denzie

    Denzie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2019
    Likes:
    266
    Location:
    belgium
    And that's some golden advice. I'll give it 100 likes if I could :finger:
     
  19. Denzie

    Denzie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2019
    Likes:
    266
    Location:
    belgium
    Thx Karl . No worries, my data is fine.

    Part 2 :

    Start playing those non hit numbers flat-betting from spin 75 until spin 111.

    Start playing your 6 (or 4.8 ) random numbers flat till spin 111.

    Let's compare the results :)
     
  20. Gigi666

    Gigi666 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2020
    Likes:
    165
    Location:
    Europe
    You know that emoji is a middle finger right? Lol
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2024
    Denzie likes this.

Share This Page