Baccarat 8 Pattern Horseracing

These are the results of the first 36 shoes. ProfiT ( means Tweaked results i.e waiting for W as a trigger), profit means normal betting. All flat betting.

 

We need to fix this LWLWLWLWLW series with some method.

 

My method can help with that actually.

 

w

what is that

 

I have reposted my money management strategy in the past day. I think that LWLWLW etc can be neutralized since you have a loss followed by a win. Unless you’re talking about bet selection.

 

Interesting results.
I will work on improving this when I have time.

 

@cps10 I would be grateful if you would publish some WL sequences posted by @Blacktiger with their progression so we can understand better.
Thanks.

 

I did that in a different thread yesterday. I am a touch busy today but will try and get some time this weekend to put together an example.

 

@Blacktiger In shoe 7 you put -7 and I got -2
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1 (Balance -1)
L
L
L
L
L
W (Trigger)
L -1 (Balance -2)
L
L
L
L (Here we are walking to the end of the shoe, no bet)
W
W (But it would be a + 1 if we were to bet)

I haven't checked them all yet.
And no interesting ideas against WL WL WL. But I think that any system will have its black sisney, the important thing in your selection of bets is that the vast majority of shoes have many 2 and 3 W or more together.
Using my prank of betting after W trying to catch W sequences seems promising. And when WL WL, we can put the brakes on and stop after 2 consecutive defeats and wait for a virtual victory.

 

I will make the shoes posted above:

With the idea of the W trigger.
Stop after WL WL and wait for virtual victory.
NEW IDEA: In the virtual victory we try to surf the Ws by placing the bet trying to get the 3rd W and others.
Ex:
W
L
W
L (Stop on bets)
L
L
W
W (Virtual victory) And we bet on the sequence of W
If W comes next we continue to L if L comes we lose 1 unit.

SHOE 01
L
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
L -1
L
W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1
L
L
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
L
L
W

FINAL BALANCE = -1
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = +1

SHOE 02
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Wait for virtual victory)
L
W
W (Virtual victory)
L (-1 if following W virtual victory)
W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1
L
L
W (Trigger)
W+1
W +1 (Here we are 0x0 and shoe at the end. stop)
W
L

FINAL BALANCE = 0
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = -1

SHOE 03

W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
W+1
W+1
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
L
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W
W (Virtual victory)
W+1
W+1
W+1
L -1
W
L
L

FINAL BALANCE = 1
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = +3

SHOE 04
Easy win +8, no need to post here.

SHOE 05

W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
W
L
L
L
L
W
W (Virtual Victory)
L -1
L

FINAL BALANCE = -1
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = -2

SHOE 06

L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
W+1
W+1
L -1
L
L
W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
L -1
L
L
L
L

FINAL BALANCE = +3
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = +3

SHOE 07

W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
L
W
W (VIRTUAL VICTORY)
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
L
W
W (VIRTUAL VICTORY)
W+1
W+1
W+1

FINAL BALANCE = -4
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = -2

SHOE 08

L
L
L
L
W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
W+1
L -1
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1
L
L
L
W

FINAL BALANCE = +1
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = +1

SHOE 09

L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
L -1
W
W (Virtual Victory)
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
W+1
L -1
L
W (Trigger)
W+1
W+1
L -1
L
W (Shoe end, no bet)
W

FINAL BALANCE = +1
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = 0

SHOE 10

L
W (Trigger)
L -1
W (Trigger)
W+1
L -1
L
L
L
L
L
W (Trigger)
L -1
L
L
L
L
W (Shoe end, no bet)
W

FINAL BALANCE = -2
FINAL BALANCE SURFING W AFTER VIRTUAL VICTORY = -2

CONCLUSION:

Bets on 10 shoes without using bets after Virtual Victory = +8
Bets on 10 shoes using bets after Virtual Victory = +7

Note: we had shoe 4 that had an atypical winning streak ending +8, that is, if we exclude it we are left =
0, -1 at the end of the 10 shoes.

Positive points: Progression with low drawdown, easy to play, ideal for those looking to make 1 to 3 units per shoe.
Negative points: We can spend a long time playing only to end up at 0-0 or end up losing a little after playing several games.

We need to try to find some adjustment to try to "guarantee" the profit at the end of 5 to 10 shoes played.

 

100 Shoes tested so far with the tweaked method

Profit (normal)-> +40 Units
ProfiT -> +21 Units
ProfiTT -> +43 Units

Profit(normal) does not include any tweaks. ProfiT includes the tweak. The tweak in this was to wait for W as a trigger. ProfiTT includes the latest tweak which is to wait for W as a trigger and also stop after two continuous losses after WLWL..(like this). And then wait for Two WWs (continuous)
and bet till two LL.

Shoe 87 to 95 there were continuous losses. Normal method gave us -52 units loss. ProfiT gave us -27 and ProfiTT gave us -21.

The only problem is that in ProfiTT sometimes eat away two extra units as compared to ProfiT.

I am uploading shoes in the next post.

 

1 LLWLWWWLLWWLLLLWLLLW
2 LWLWLWLWWLWWLLLWWWWL
3 WWWWWLWLLLWLWWWWWLWLL
4 WWWWWWWWLLWWLLWWWWLW
5 WWWLWWLWLWLWLLLLWWLL
6 LWLWWWWWLLLWWWLLLLL
7 WWLWLWLLWWLWLWLLWWWWW
8 LLLLWWWWLLWLWWLLLLLW
9 LWLWLWWLWWWWLLWWWLLWW
10 LWLWWLLLLLLWLLLLLWW
11 LLWWWLWWLWLWWLLLLLWLWW
12 WWWLWWLWWLWWWLLLLWW
13 WWLLLLWLLLLWWWWWLW
14 LWWLWLLLLLLLLWWLWLW
15 WLLWLLLLWLWLWWLWWWW
16 WLLLWLLWWLLWWWWWWWLW
17 LLWWWWLLWLWLWWWLLWLW
18 LWWWLLWLWWWWWLLL
19 LWWWLLWLLWLLLWLLLWL
20 LLLWWWLWWWWWWLLWWWLW
21 WLLLWLWWLLWWLLLWWLLL
22 WLLWWLLWWWLWLWWLLWLLW
23 LWLLLLLWLLLWWWLWWLW
24 LLLWLWWWLLLLLLLLLLWW
25 LLWWLLLWWLWLWWLLLLWLL
26 WWWLWWWWLWWWWWLLLWL
27 WWLLLWWWLWWLWLWLWWL
28 WWLWWWWWWWWLLWWWWLWL
29 LLLLWWWWLWWWWLLWLWWWW
30 WWLLWWWWLWWWWWLLWLWL
31 WLLLWWWLLLLLWWWWWL
32 WWLWLWWWWLWLLWWWLLW
33 WLWLWLLWWWWLWLWWWW
34 LLWLWLWLWWLWWLWLLLL
35 LWWWWWWLLWWWWWLLWLW
36 LWWLLWLWWWWLWWLLWLW
37 WWLWWLLLWLLLWLLLWLWWL
38 LWLLLWLWLWLLLLLWWWLL
39 WWLLLWLWLWLWWWLLLWLW
40 LLLWLLWLWLLWLWLLWL
41 LLLWWWLWLWWWWWLLWLL
42 LLLWLWLLWLLLWLLWLWLLW
43 LWWLWLLWLLLWLWLLWLWWWW
44 WLWWLLWLLLLLWWWWLWWL
45 LLWWWLWLWWLLWWLLLWLW
46 WLLWWLWWWWLLWLLLLLW
47 LWWLWWLLLWWLWWWLWWWL
48 LWWWWLWWWWWLLWWWLLLW
49 WWLWLWLWWLWLLWLWLLWLL
50 LWLLLLLWLLWLWLWLWWWWW
51 WLLWWWLLWLLLWWLLLLLLL
52 LLWLWWLLWWWWWLLWLLLWLW
53 LWWWLWWLWWWLWLWWLWW
54 WLWWLLWLWWLLLLLWLLWL
55 WLWLWWLLLWWLLLWWLLLWWW
56 WLLLWLLLLLWLLLWLWLW
57 WLWLLLWLWLWLWW
58 WLWLWLWWLWWWWLWWLWW
59 WWLLLWLWLLWLLLWWLWWW
60 WLLWLWWLWWWWWWLLLW
61 LWLWLWWLWWLLLLLWWWW
62 LLWWWWWWLLWWLLWLWWWLW
63 WLLWLLWWLLLWLLWWWLWWL
64 WLLLLLWWWLLWLWWLWWWLW
65 WWLLLLLLWLLWWWLWWLWWW
66 LLWLWLLLWWLLWWWWLWL
67 WWLLWWLWWLWWLLLWWLLLW
68 WWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLLL
69 WLLLLLLWWWWWWWLLLLLLLL
70 LWWWWLLWWLWLWWLLWWL
71 WLWLLLWLLLWLWWWLWWL
72 WLWWWWLLLWWWWLWWLLWW
73 LLWLLLWLLWLLLLLWWLLWL
74 WWLWWWWLLWLLWLWWWWLW
75 WWLLLWWWLWLLLLLWLWLWW
76 LWWWLWWWWLWWLLLWLWW
77 WWLWLWWWLWLLWWLLLWWL
78 LWLWLLWLWLWLWLLLWLL
79 WLLLWLWWLWLLLWLLLLWL
80 WLWWWLWWWWLLWLWWLLLL
81 LLWWWLLWLWWWWLLWWWWW
82 LLWWWWLWWLWLWLWWLWLWW
83 LLWWLLLLWLWLWLLWLLLWW
84 WWWWWLWWWLWWWWLWLWW
85 WWWWWWWWLWWWLLWWLLWL
86 WLWLWWWLWWLWWWLWWWLWL
87 WLLLWLLWLLLLLLLLLWLL
88 LLLLLWLLWLWLLLLLWLLWL
89 LWLLLLWWWLWLLWLLLLLWLL
90 WLLLLWLWWWLLLLWWLWLLWW
91 LWLWLLLWWWLLLLLLW
92 WLLWLLWLLWLWLLLWLWWLL
93 WLLWWLWLLLLLWLLLLWLW
94 LLWWLLWLWWLLWWWLWLWL
95 LLWLWLWLLLWLLLLWWWWWL
96 WLWWWLWLWLWWLLLLWWLLW
97 WWLLLWWLWLWLWWLWWWW
98 LLLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWLW
99 WWLLLWLLWLLWWLLWLLLW
100 LLLWWLWWWWLWWWWLLWL

 

A win is a win is a win. Good job!

 

I'm not following the selection. But results of 100 shoes are W 1014, L 974 = 1988 or 51.00% strike rate. That's flat without commission. You may find that it's a 50-50 game if you include commission. Not a good idea to ignore commission.

IMO this is not remarkable as far as column bet selections go. I think you can get similar using balance/unbalance 4 column or even using "4 horses" (pairs) rolling.

Suppose you skipped the P bets and just used the B bets? Would that fare better? Probably a little better.

I just glanced at the LIAR but it's fairly obvious that there are 27 5+LIAR.

So it looks like a serious progression along with a substantial bankroll is in order. Probably one with both positive and negative.

Cheers

 

I agree with you. Need to change the bet selection or tweak it. However, what should be the minimum percentage strike of a good bet selection?

 

Not sure you're going to find a tweak to get much better than that. I'd be interested to know what the % is without the selected Virtual and Trigger stuff. Would that change the % ??

Looking at the W/L registry above I'm pretty sure that stop after 3 L and start after a W helps. A good friend of mine insists three loss stop start on next winis always a better choice. I agree. It's that gap thing Patrik talks about. W and L tend to come in streaks.

It's an easy bet selection so I think a good progression is in order. A modified D'Alembert with a fractional increase after a loss to reduce escalation along with an up on a win component should work well. I know it helps me.

I'll post one on the progression thread so as not to clog this thread.

Cheers

 

It would have saved 99 losses. Of course waiting for that next win will take away a few wins. Not sure the strike rate gets much better.

 

I did statistics with the first 50 shoes.

Total W and L = 987
W = 512 (51.87%)
L = 475 (48.13%)

If we bet only after a W, stopping at the first L:

Total W and L = 482
W = 254 (52.7%)
L = 228 (47.3%)
Here it seems to have improved a little. But the sample is small.

If we always bet after 2 LL:
Total W and L = 209
W = 108 (51.7%)
L = 101 (48.33%)

The modified D'Alembert proposed by @Jimske seems interesting to me, I will test it when I have time.

Let's continue with this work, this bet selection is interesting, I played 2 times for real money and stopped on the first one winning 1 unit and stopped on the second shoe winning 3, playing flat bet in the original way.

 

I did a simulation with the first 10 shoes using the modified D'Alembert.
I didn't use the fit proposed by GLC, I went straight to the end of the shoe, just to see the performance and drawdowns.

And in bold I highlighted always stopping when you have +3 or higher, and it would be easy to beat all these shoes. I wrote STOP on everyone.

If you want to see the original topic, you can search on Google:

Modified D'Alembert for Even Chances roulette forum cc

D = D'Alembert progression acronym
B = Balance

1 D B

L -1
L -2 -3
W 3 0
L -2 -2
W 3 1
W 2 3 Stop
W 3 6
L -2 4
L -3 1
W 4 5
W 3 8
L -4 4
L -5 -1
L -6 -7
L -7 -14
W 8 -6
L -9 -15
L -10 -25
L -11 -36
W 12 -24

two

L -1
W 2 1
L -1 0
W 2 2
L -1 1
W 2 3 STOP
L -1 2
W 2 4
W 3 7
L -2 5
W 3 8
W 2 10
L -3 7
L -4 3
L -5 -2
W 6 4
W 5 9
W 6 15
W 5 20
L -6 14

3

W 1
W 2 3 STOP
W 1 4
W 2 6
W 1 7
L -2 5
W 3 8
L -2 6
L -3 3
L -4 -1
W 5 4
L -4 0
W 5 5
W 4 9
W 5 14
W4 18
W 5 23
L -4 19
W 5 24
L -4 20
L -5 15

4

W 1
W 2 3 STOP
W 1 4
W 2 6
W 1 7
W 2 9
W 1 10
W 2 12
L -1 11
L -2 9
W 3 12
W 2 14
L -3 11
L -4 7
W 5 12
W4 16
W 5 21
W 4 25
L -5 20
W 6 26

5

W 1
W 2 3 STOP
W 1 4
L -2 2
W 3 5
W 2 7
L -3 4
W 4 8
L -3 5
W 4 9
L -3 6
W 4 10
L -3 7
L -4 3
L -5 -2
L -6 -8
W 7 -1
W 6 5
L -7 -2
L -8 -10

6

L -1
W 2 1
L -1 0
W 2 2
W 1 3 STOP
W 2 5
W 1 6
W 2 8
L -1 7
L -2 5
L -3 2
W 4 6
W 3 9
W 4 13
L -3 10
L -4 6
L -5 1
L -6 -5
L -7 -12

7

W 1
W 2 3
L -1 2
W 2 4 STOP
L -1 3
W 2 5
L -1 4
L -2 2
W 3 5
W 2 7
L -3 4
W 4 8
L -3 5
W 4 9
L -3 6
L -4 2
W 5 7
W 6 13
W 7 20
W 8 28
W 9 37

8

L -1
L -2 -3
L -3 -6
L -4 -10
W 5 -5
W 4 -1
W 5 4 STOP
W 4 8
L -5 3
L -6 -3
W 7 4
L -6 -2
W 7 5
W 6 11
L -7 4
L -8 -4
L -9 -13
L -10 -23
L -11 -34
W 12 -22

9

L -1
W 2 1
L -1 0
W 2 2
L -1 1
W 2 3 STOP
W 1 4
L -2 2
W 3 5
W 2 7
W 3 10
W 2 12
L -3 9
L -4 5
W 5 10
W 4 14
W 5 19
L -4 15
L -5 10
W 6 16
W 5 21

10

L -1
W 2 1
L -1 0
W 2 2
W 1 3 STOP
L -2 1
L -3 -2
L -4 -6
L -5 -11
L -6 -17
L -7 -24
W 8 -16
L -7 -23
L -8 -31
L -9 -40
L -10 -50
L -11 -61
W 12 -49
W 11 -38

Shoes:
1 = -24
2 = 14
3 = 15
4 = 26
5 = -10
6 = -12
7 = 37
8 = -22
9 = 21
10 = -38

Final balance = -3
It was practically 0x0, not bad, playing without any rules or safety brakes. It can be improved.


And I got 32 units with STOPs.
Now we need to test this a lot, because if the profit is constant, just establish the value to stop at loss, to be profitable.

 

Thanks a lot sir. I will upload the results after testing soon. I am grateful to you for bringing new ideas every day.