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Baccarat Has anyone got a winning stratergie ?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by joe croupier, Sep 29, 2024.

  1. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Thank you. The girl was here and the NEW Program seems to be the Old Program. I will write a longer reply. Today!
     
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  2. Frank Kneeland

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    My experience was managing the “player” and “players” so they didn’t take bankroll (stealing). They were only supposed take percentage of the “profits”. I was hired to calculate “the win” for the investor. I told him the there was “no win” and the “system” was bogus. He still wanted to take a shot, even though I told him he would lose money. He did…

    He wanted to pay me on the “winnings”. With a straight a face I said, “ I’ll take salary…”

    For 3 months I would watch the player making bet with his system and losing. I got bored.
    ...so...I started making bet with a simple 10 count. You count the 10’s remaining and when there is a biased deck with more 10’s with not 10’s...bet!
    It’s long ago I don't remember the exact number of 10’s and NOT 10’s that make to play.

    When the deck is RICH of 10’s the tie becomes a “play”.

    Also, I remembered that chance of getting a “play” only happens 1 time out 3 shoes. AND only for a few (4-6) hands.

    ~FK

    P.S. I don't know how to PM?
     
  3. Chrono

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    Ah interesting, I think I read something about that on wizard of vegas. It seems like it'd be a rare event as 10s are the highest prob card to come out. I'll have to play around with that and see what happens.

    I think if you open my profile you can pm me there? I'm unable to private message as my account is too new but I could leave an email address if you want, or we can just talk here too.
     
  4. Frank Kneeland

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    I'm bedridden...so...sure. I'm don't have to much on plate right at the moment. I just got hospice care!
     
  5. Frank Kneeland

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    I found this from my OLD POSTS about Baccarat Strategies...

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2009
    People can be wrong and still have nothing, but the best of motives.
    We currently live in a world where people are judged more by their actions and results than their intent and motives–even though we know that most of the things we intend don’t work out.

    At times, it makes me nauseous.

    The why is so much more important than the what.

    The lesson I am trying to impart here is this: All this offering of baccarat strategies, counter arguments, confirmations, debunking, etc… is bearing no fruit. Let’s talk less about the strategies and more about the methodological principles used to create the strategies.

    The best example I can think of to illustrate what I’m saying is this: You cannot get anyone to agree unanimously on a political candidate. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! You can get people to agree on the fact they’d rather have someone that’s honest over someone that lies. More education over less education. More experience vs. less experience. Etc…

    If we can’t agree on conclusions, perhaps we might (tiny might) be able to agree on what we use to come to our conclusions. My 2 cents.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    QUESTION: Are you familiar about the methods that create the systems???
     
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    GROWUP
     

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    So as far as I know with regards to the methodology of strategies in card games you need to be able to look at bets and get an idea of whether they might be vulnerable to card counting.

    So a result on a tie like you mentioned above. There's a 0 tie outcome offered, I'd calculate the house edge on that bet and then calculate the effect of removal of exactly one card at a time (remove card, check house edge, reinsert card into shoe, remove next card, check house edge, etc..). Then use a betting correlation calculation to devise a card counting system and run a sim to see at what count the bet becomes +EV and what kind of frequency it has.

    That's the only method that I know of for card counting systems. I know next to nothing about shuffle tracking / hole carding, which I'm very interested in. With these, as far as I know you are basically relying on weak dealers / shuffling practices. But how to identify it or create some sort of method to attack it - no idea.

    edit: I forgot to include edge sorting! The big Phil Ivey play
     
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    Thank you, I wanted to add that when evaluating multiple bets I'd start with the one with the lowest house edge and or highest win % probability of the population.

    Here's what having an edge looks like. Flat betting only when the count is favorable, 1k shoes <50% deck penetration, 8 decks. No kelly criterion applied.

    Screenshot 2024-10-06 11.10.46 AM.png newplot.png

    Yes, less than 50% penetration. This is not a 'random walk' graph.
     
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    So weird that you claim to be in the USA but charge in british pounds.

    Fuck you must be stupid. I guess that's why you scam though. Got run off using your real name joe croupier, tried to come back acting like a guru under a fake name.

    Posting links to your site blantantly with your original name on it, of whom you've said you're not him.

    Your profile looks just like the guy you're denying to be.

    Screenshot 2024-10-07 12.05.34 PM.png

    You are one dumb fuck bud.
     
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  11. Frank Kneeland

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    Thank you much. That answered my question very well. And yes I know about edge sorting...
     
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    date and time
     
  13. Frank Kneeland

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    I had 3 of the TOP shuffle tracking on my RADIO SHOW "Gambling With An Edge" since my stroke...I don't even remember having them on...

    Sorry.

    ~FK

    P.S. Don't have a stroke...just sayin
     
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    No problem Frank.

    Do you have much experience with shuffle tracking?
     
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    What other methods are there soxfan?
     
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    I've been listening to this radio show recently, it's really good! I'll see if I can find the shuffle tracking ones. Do you have any favorite episodes?
     
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    Edge sortings ain't the only way to capture profits, well and regular at the baccarats, hey hey.
     
  18. Frank Kneeland

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    HAHA Several ones,,,without Bob Dancer....!

    Just kidding.

    My last show --- GWAE July 28th

    GWAE March 31

    P.S. I like Bob...we just joked about. Some there is a Ode to Bob... I found it.

    Ode to Bob

    I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as Bob Dancer,
    Who on any subject one cares to mention will always have an answer

    Homo sapien is your taxonomic nomenclature,
    an endothermic biped omnivorous by nature?
    Far more intriguing than mere random perturbations,
    You've reached the heights of pro communications

    Oh what a piece of work is Bob! How noble in reason!
    how infinite in bankroll! in forum so absent and soothing, how
    express and admirable! To the singing stars how like an Angel.
    Morato Vultis, Aeria Glories

    Once upon a midnight dreary, as I pondered weak and weary
    Over many a quaint and curious quotient of forgotten Dancer
    I cried On Dasher On Blitzen On Dance
    with your brain so bright, won't you host my radio show tonight

    If Bob's face casts its reflection in the bottom of a well,
    what you see is only on the surface
    On the radio words are shallow – in casinos talk is cheap
    And you can only judge the distance by the company you keep

    O Bob, the complex levels of behavior you display
    connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array.
    And though you are not a progressive player, Bob, and may not comprehend,
    I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.
     

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