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TurboGenius Static 4 and a floating 4

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Naughty but nice, Dec 2, 2024.

  1. Gigi666

    Gigi666 Active Member

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    @Naughty but nice I understand how you play the 4+4, but like with all the other, on paper making sense methods, I can't come up with correct money mgm.
    Tried aggressive blanket increase on all numbers played or just on numbers that hit,
    tried negative prog,
    tried the most common +1 on a win (both blanket and individual increases),
    tried increasing stakes when avg for repeats is behind,
    tried increasing when avg spin count for ie. 4x is past
    Tried increasing stakes when more numbers join the lap I'm on
    Tried playing to X target profit or loss
    Tried playing till X spin count or lap
    No matter what though even if I can hit long streaks of wins in few cases, the losses overcome the profits in the long run or if I had to use negative prog it'd need huge bank and still no guarantee it'll always survive (especially if a mistake is made or online table screws you over with bets not accepted).
    So more than anything else I'd appreciate one of you sharing the prog/money mgm as that seems to be the only problem for me.
     
  2. atrox23

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    You forgot Parachute!
     
  3. PersonS

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    Error
     
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  4. PersonS

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    Yes, it will be useful to play out all the hit numbers so that we have a lot of coverage and the statistics will make sense. But it is not clear how this can be combined with the Turbo method, when only 3-4 repetition numbers are used.
     
  5. mansi19896

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    what stop loss you use. 7 unit with few number can happen anytime -200 or -600 for example
     
  6. Gigi666

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    Played simple way, one that most surely tried (numbers selection is as Naughty plays 4+4) already so stake on number = the lap its on.
    Another rule was derived from playing towards 100+ profits. As it looked like it takes usually 80-100 spins to make 100u, I've decided to shorten the time spent but aim for same profit in a way. In each group of 10 spins aiming to win 12u, if I did stop session, so spin 11-20 I stop if 24u+ profit.
    Played in RS, 30 sessions were smooth and only one went bit downhill to almost-1000u before going back up to profit, but 29 stayed well within 200u drawdown (rarely going below -100u).
    Here are stats.
    Total sessions: 30
    Total profit: 1286
    Total spins played: 649 (thats including that one tough session of 213 spins)

    So not going for larger profit I've actually spent less time and risked less money to make more. Could take a loss on that one bad session and end it at spin 81.

    Will see if next 30 show similar results.
     
  7. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    The posted excel is laminated; Just like Twocatsam used.
    It has 12 potential laps.
    I show a horizontal line for the static 4 and below will be the floating 4. Floating 4 stops being used indicated by small horizontal line.
    The diagonal line is from lap 10x to lap1x-37. This shows me how fast the laps are.
    Matches outside; 1st is static 4 other is a combination of the 2.

    You can see this win on MPR 1.0705931 win rate gone up.

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  8. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Ricardo, are you using S4-F4
     
  9. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    You can see what's hot. Earlier in the stream the #20 was 4 in front of the nearest next hot numbers.
    Below is the stream.
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    Again didn't start betting the floating 4 until the lap 3x had made lap 4x have its static 4 #'s; 30-20-15-22.
    The lap 4x had its 4 static, but the floating 4 took till 4x-13.
    Then the floating 4 on laps got quicker. And all the while what was #20 doing? Some might have thought I'd better drop it. NO. Nice 50 unit win.

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    As Turbo said, you'll either get it or you won't.
    I guess the you won't applies to Johnny-dim, stack trader and not for getting Roulette fool or is it you tool
     
  10. Ricardo

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    Yes, I am using it, but even if I win many games, something always appears that kills my box.
    Let me explain, I start with a box of 500 chips.
    Many games close quickly.
    I have a box of 1500
    A single game loses 900 chips, the casino broadcast was actually cut off.
    I play just as you explained.
    I see those numbers that start from behind and get into the top 4 but I normally take advantage of 1 or 2 starts and in many cases they fall by the wayside. Maybe consider them as a complementary juice with its own strategy and box.
    I tried playing from the first 1X
    I tried playing from the first 2X
    I tried playing only the 4 s4 and the 4 f4 that I am in
    I tried playing all s4 from previous levels with a token value equal to the number of appearances in s4 plus the f4 of the current level and without the f4 of the current level
    I didn't try parachutes because I think that to do so I would have to concentrate my bets.
    I'm missing something, it may be, surely there must be other, smarter ways to play it.
    I am convinced that 1-3-5-7 is an important key. I can't find a way to take advantage of it.
    Ricardo
     
  11. Gigi666

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    Maybe you're playing too many spins, try my approach.
     
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    What is the problem with to many spins?
    If you have the way you are supposed to survive long term or what!!!
     
  13. Gigi666

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    In case he's playing 120 spins to win some larger amount rather than reset on any win or smaller amount that make sense.
    In general the longer you play, especially beyond 100 spins in any setting it gets riskier beyond game mgm alone both in b&m and online.

    Anyway, not sure why you write back like I'm suggesting something wrong.
     
  14. Millovich

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    As far as I remember, all those who “found” wrote: the longer you play, the more accurate the bets!
     

  15. Naughty but nice

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    That is true.
    I've said get 200 spins from random org, track them. At some point in the stream the top3 or my case 4 start to hit quicker.
    You'll see this by how the laps are completing. How far down the laps do the floating 4 or whatever you'd use get.
    look at reply 107 see those small horizontal lines finishing the floating quicker on laps going from left to right
     
  16. Gigi666

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    Yes, but the longer you play the larger the bankroll you need, and time is money. Tell me whats better 1u profit in 10 spins average or 10u in 100 spins?
    Other thing, no one is saying you need to bet from 1x, you could back track from the history if you're using online tables and come in when there is a small number of selections lap 7x+
    And ie. @Denzie1 never said he plays long sessions, so not everyone that figured it out stay for 100+ spins

    @Ricardo 1-3-5-7 could drive your staking up or down, depending how repeats are coming. Even if you only play few numbers and not all 1x, 2x early on. I didn't test it, but observing when I play top4.
     
  17. Gigi666

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    @Naughty but nice , thanks for pointing out not using f4 initially, I've switched to that and results slightly improved, allowing for longer play im case 2x, 3x dont have enough matches in s4.
    Overall around 50% of my sessions end within 10 spins, 15% go beyond spin 37 (half of those end up in a loss)
     
  18. atrox23

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    The thing is that roulette dont care if you reset or not , rether the problem is on players how to handle things. If you reset and start the only purpose is the data reset nothing more , numbers remain random if you dont have something like dependence!

    Look my 4 sessions , same game but reset my tracker , third session drained my profit for first win !
    5 Units starting bet:

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  19. Gigi666

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    Its staking reset if one isnt playing flat, plus an exit point to take breaks. Either way its up to everyone individually whats their preference and their play style. For me playing longer doesn't equal more profit.
     
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  20. Millovich

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    So I'm just wondering how you draw these little lines? By what criterion do you understand that f4 has ended on this lap?
     

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