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Baccarat Random against Random ideas/facts

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by 3E469, Dec 27, 2024.

  1. 3E469

    3E469 New Member

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    Playing and studying baccarat for years. Still not much of answer. Now Ive been studying random vs baccarat.

    At this point, My opinion seems to be that no matter how we play pattern, streaks, chops, systems, triggers, follow or go against, martingale…etc We win some and lose some. Anything you can think of is just as same betting Random.

    When betting random flat bets, If you are winning that means you could be losing. If you are losing that means you could be winning. Losing and Winning are the same thing.

    If losing and winning is the same thing; bet random you could be up 20+ units at some point and eventually you will start to lose and break even.
    Also, you are down 20 or more units at some point and eventually you will start to win and break even.
    Because this game is supposed to be 50/50. it could be in 4 shoes or 10 plus shoes.

    Flat bet is important because you can only lose whatever shoe wants to take from you. Since you don't know when shoe will give you back units or take away but you change your bet size that means you are saying you know exactly when you will win but we don't. So you end up losing faster and more. You are losing more units than what shoe wants to give back to you when its time to give it back to you.

    If I asked you to lose 20 units in one shoe only flat betting. Can you? its hard. Only if its time to lose you will lose.

    Can you win 20 units in one shoe only flat betting? its hard. But only if its time to win you will win.

    You can't control when you lose or win. It will happen on its own. But when is it going to happen?

    Does that mean as long as we have enough units to get thru the losses we will always come back up?

    That also means if we are winning we are gonna always come down at some point.

    So may be key to baccarat is not always winning. Its about having enough units to get thru the losses and still be playing when its time give it back to you.

    May be its not about beating the game its about living the life of baccarat.
    But how can we take advantage and have money in our pockets? is it bankroll, changing flat betting unit size when you are up? What you guys think.
     
  2. CT70

    CT70 Active Member

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    Here is some sound advice that will help you either win more or lose less.

    First off, don’t try to bet every hand of the shoe. It’s a moving target. You should be betting around 20-25% of all the hands. That’s it.

    YES, the shoe is RANDOM but not totally random. You can still find exploits to give you wins. With casinos that use pre-shuffled cards, the casino makes sure to put the cards in a RANDOM order so biases that you can take advantage of do not emerge. Our job as a player is to see and execute bets where we think there is a bias. There will always be several biases in the shoe. Some are harder to spot than others.

    Generally, try to make your bets between the 3 top rows of the BIG BOARD. It’s much easier to ascertain if for example a banker will repeat, in other words the banker 1 will repeat and be another banker, or if a banker 2 will go to 3, this all based on the previous history of the banker leading up to the point at which you are looking at it. If the banker side has consistently been repeating for the last 2 or 3 times, or even 3 out of 4 times, then expect it to repeat AGAIN, a positive outcome is in your favor if past history has shown it. If it’s been going to at least 2 on both previous occasions, then bet that it will do it again. BUT don’t bet that it's going to go to a 4 in a row, UNLESS it has shown evidence of it recently. And definitely, don’t make any bets below the 4th row of the Big Board.

    Keeping your bets in the top 3 rows of the big board is much easier than trying to ascertain if for example, the banker 4 will go to 5, or if it is going to run to 10. I am using the banker as an example but the same holds true player. The decision to bet REPEAT or OPPOSITE on the top 3 rows, based on history of either side is easier to get right than it is to bet on the events that go past 3.

    DON'T try to get on a zig zag streak or a repeating streak. Remember that the longer something (a bias) continues, the more likely it is to stop. If you win a unit or 2, bank it, and wait for another opportunity (set-up). There will always be MORE opportunities to make a good bet. Common instinct is to bet more when losing but THAT is when you need to WAIT until you see the right bias to exploit.

    Don’t bet against a downward run. Don’t bet a repeat on an ongoing zig zag (opposite) run.

    Make sure your bankroll is adequate for the bets you are making.

    Stop betting if you lose 2 bets in a row and re-evaluate.
     
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  3. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Good advice. And what helps me is remembering that it has to work pretty quickly in the shoe. If not I'm out and start again. Patience. So let's say I've wagered 10 hands and I'm down OR up 1 or 2 units. I'm done. Hopefully after 5 or so such shoes I'm up a little. An easy shoe will come.

    I have a friend who used to say "Everybody wins that shoe." That's the shoe I look for!
     
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  4. 3E469

    3E469 New Member

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    I started with 50 units and tested random flat betting to see what happens. I lost all 50 units in 5 shoes on wizardofodds

    I have been testing random betting cause I want to get to bottom of this random thing.

    I think educated betting by looking at the history is much better than random betting.
     
  5. Johndepz

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    I’ve been studying this forever I DM you
     
  6. AceofSpades

    AceofSpades New Member

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    Thank you for this. Are you using a 1-2 progression?
     
  7. Rinad

    Rinad Active Member

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    That post is the best I've heard so far and very close to the way I play. it wins and you rarely lose more then just a few units. I do use a light progression because of that fact. controlling your expectations is key, hit and run has no down side. Plus it forces you to take breaks.
    God bless
     

  8. soxfan

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    The ct70 is correct and there are indeed limits to random. If yer gonna buck up against the baccarats you need to focus on stuffs and thing what will play out longs term; namely the bankers advantage and the streaks distribution statistic. The worst thing you can do is to engage in the guessings game, hey hey.
     
  9. Calculatedrisktakers

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    This is so insightful! Wow really informative.

    You got it all figured out lol

    Clown college on this forum with this lame posting on here.

    No wonder serious players don't post on here because you got guys like this guy knocking every strategy people propose but contributes nothing.
     
  10. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    How much are ya gonna charge for yer predictions software, hey hey????
     
  11. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    The fifty units banks-roll ain't sufficient. Even betting flat yer gonna get clipped for more than fifty units from times to times. I strictly bet flat and my worst case scenario for draws down has been -83 unit so my lifes-time roll is 250 unit, hey hey.
     
  12. Ola

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    I feel this can still be improved with some other systems.
     

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