Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

a little hard to believe since all he had to do was block freddy.
He is well aware of options available on websites.
And if there was no block function.....all he has to d ois skip over any posts that have the freddy moniker attached.
Is that so hard?

woudnt he give that advice over at wov if someone complained that they didnt like a poster?

 

Are you sure he wasn't detained at Wheeling Island Casino after simultaneously defecating and puking up nuggets all over a slot machine?

 

Larry,

Excellent, one of the two or three (non-WoV Members) here that I at least remotely care to speak to.

Take your pick, or pick all of the above, really. I suppose, 'Didn't think about,' is more technically precise than, 'Forgot,' but I'm not testifying so I don't see what difference it makes.

I'm not digging up old posts, but I believe I alluded to traveling in one of my last few posts here. I ended up traveling even more frequently than I thought I would over a period of a few months.

Yes, Freddy, because busy people have priorities. The more I became annoyed with the goings-on here unrelated to our discussion, the less coming here entered onto my priority list. If I enjoyed the other discourse here and was not put off by what I perceive to be immature statements made by people, then yes, finishing our conversation would have occupied a higher spot on the priority list.

In any event, I'm happy to pick up where we left off, but make no promises as to how quickly I'll respond. I will make every effort to let you know if I am leaving entirely again. I'll correspond via E-Mail, if you like, if you promise not to post my E-Mail address.

If you want to correspond via E-Mail, I'll extend permission for you to post it here provided you don't post my address or any other revealing information, secondly, you'd have to agree to post the entire messages verbatim.

 

Larry,

In addition, I apologize for our conversation ending with no notice given to you whatsoever. That's totally on me. Like I said, coming here just dropped off my radar, but given our reasonable discourse, you deserve better than that.

 

travelling, I here morgantown is beautiful this time of year.

 

Mission....apology accepted.
Although at the time I posted links as you requested in order for you to answer questions more fully......I went back and looked and one of the topics involved me. And this thread is not about me me me.

So at that slice of time when for a week or 2, I was talking about myself among other things.....those questions are dead and buried...just too old to rehash.
So you are free from any obligation to me.

However the zenking thread asking for advice("something has to be done").....is hijacked many times by many people including mods.........without a peep. If people arent at least scolded for hijacking why the preferential treatment to some hijackers and punishment to other hijackers.

While ontario dealer was suspended for using the word shit and for hijacking. Where the word "shit" was so offensive that it gets reproduced on the next page by BBB to announce the suspension. Proving that cleaning up the site is of no priority...but punishment is a bigger priority. there are some that might argue that using a womans body as the basis for placing bets is more offensive than the word "shit". Although I dont have the quote...freddy claims that you yourself are no stranger to writing about bodily functions. Why the uneven treatment in these cases.

so with that in mind..all those old things are gone as fara s major discussion. So currently..what say you....about the 2 issues above.

 

LarryS,

Thank you for accepting my apology.

Until recently, I'm not entirely sure that I ever saw the links, and I have certainly been too busy looking for other stuff in this thread today to have paid any meaningful attention to your responses. I did mean that I (almost literally) forgot about this Forum, I'm only here because someone brought it to my attention that my full name was being posted, and that the name being posted was correct. I see that Freddy has dug into some other stuff as well. I'll address that in my next post.

As far as that thread goes, that's right along the line where I would jump in and split it or scold people for hijacking. If you really want to know, I was busy today with this being the last week for the Picks game and may not have read that thread thoroughly. I understand that it is a few days old, but I also had my kids exclusively from 12/29 until earlier today. I've got some catching up to do is what I'm saying.

I'm behind on writing, sending invites for the Playoff Picks game, and just in general. That's largely my fault, but certainly the last few hours spent (mostly) going through this thread are not my fault. Who is this Freddy? Should I get a restraining order somehow? He knows what I look like and I don't know what he looks like giving him a decided advantage if he wanted to do something. Does he carry a gun? I don't. Just saying.

Cleaning up the site is a priority which is why the, 'No profanity,' rule exists in the first place. We don't necessarily delete or censor the profanity in question on every occasion (whether or not there is a ban) because an instance or two, in relative isolation, does not necessarily give the site a terrible appearance. At least, that's MY reason for not censoring it out every time someone is warned or banned. You have to have the rule, though, if you want the site to have a certain overall appearance, which is what Wizard and ownership seem to want. Actually, I think the rule may predate current ownership, but if they wanted to change it, I assume they would have.

Now, let's talk about my Craigslist post:

DISCLAIMER:

First of all, I did not post my Craigslist thing directly to WoV, rather, I posted a link to it in the Miscellaneous Discussion Thread with the following disclaimer:

"DISCLAIMER: This post is somewhat inappropriate on multiple levels, and would NOT be an allowed post on this Forum."

As you can see, if anyone wished to click the link they would be reading a writing that does not adhere to WoV Forum Rules and would be doing so knowingly. Naturally, Freddy makes no mention of that, but who would really expect him to? Hell, I'm surprised he agreed to stop making posts containing my last name, if you want to know the truth.

Secondly, my, 'Pervy,' statements in my clearly facetious Craigslist post contain two disclaimers stating that they did not actually happen immediately after the paragraph in which those statements are contained. Again, Freddy made no mention of those disclaimers, because, why would he be in any way objective?

In any case, my first statement covers it, my link said that the Craigslist post is not WoV appropriate, and it breaks no Craigslist rules as far as I am aware. I have certainly seen worse on CL, and I don't use it often.

 

Ok lets be intellectually honest.

If freddy posts a link to another site that has your real name.....you would not be fine with that.

Lets say freddy posts............"missions real name is............link provided".....

come on mission....posting a link of material that is inappropriate to a site.....is not in the spirit of intellectual honesty.

Its a rather back handed way around the rules. But does not conform to the spirit of the rule.

What about someone comes to this site that has no strict rules ....and writes a tirade against you.....using 4 letter words, vulgarities, references to your parents, children, ...some opinion, some true, some not true.
And then as a member of wov, posts a link to the post here......with your same type of disclaimer "the following link does not comply with the rules of this site"

really, you think posting a link with a disclaimer is not equivalent in spirit to posting directly on the site?

what about providing links to porn sites on wov with a disclaimer...is that ok?

 

RE: Bunch of Personal S***

I was already aware that a select handful of individuals here take the WoV Forum quite seriously, perhaps even more seriously that I take it, and I am one of the Administrators over there. With that said, I had no idea that anyone here would take it to the level of even a cursory Google Search to determine so much personal information about me, let alone post it.

Oh well, I guess that is what I deserve for volunteering to Administrate a Gambling Forum on an unpaid basis. Though I do get compensated for other stuff that I do for the LCB family of sites (now) I did not get compensated by way of any prior agreement whatsoever during the time at which Wizard was the only site owner, moreover, I am not compensated for my Administrator duties themselves.

Anyway, I have spent the last few hours reading over a hundred pages on this thread in search of personal information related to me, though it seems to not have started until Page 193, so a good bit of that time was wasted.

I'm going to go ahead and address a few things related to such, keep in mind I am not naming any specific locations at which I was employed, so I do not consider certain locations up for discussion and am asking for such to be deleted as it is personal information.

THE HOTEL:

I don't know what anyone wants from me with respect to the hotel at which I was employed. Should I apologize for having a job? Would you all prefer that I spent the years of 2007-2016 unemployed and living off of someone else's tax money? I worked at the hotel for two long durations of time during that period and the first duration was a bit shorter. Every time I returned to that hotel, it was for more money than I was making at the time that I left. Anytime during the time period of April 2007 until March or April (I actually forget, end of March, beginning of April) 2016 that I was not employed at that hotel I was employed elsewhere.

A.) It is a hotel, not a motel, though that makes no difference to me. If the salary and job responsibilities had been the same, but the place was an actual motel, I imagine that I would have worked at such a place at that time. Just making a correction, call it a motel (but not by its name or address which I am asking to be removed) all you want.

B.) I said I was the manager of the hotel because such was my title, Operations Manager, previously Assistant General Manager. I had job duties that were consistent with a management position. I worked a ton of hours because almost all managers of small hotels do and because that is what the job (and salary) required. I apologize if I have offended anyone by working an average of 70 hours per week during my time there.

C.) I was not fired, I'll leave it at that.

D.) I don't remember saying that I OWNED the hotel, because I did not own the hotel. Therefore, I have no idea what would cause people to believe I have access to the money that would need to be spent to convert it to a three of four star facility. I never said the place was a beautiful establishment, and I believe have indicated at least once that it is something of a dive.

I don't know what anyone wants from me, here. If anyone thinks the place is a crap hole, then again, I apologize for working there if my having a job that paid well (for the area) so grievously offends anyone.

I'm not offering an opinion of the place other than the general condition of the rooms was pretty good for the area and compared to other hotels/motels in our price range during the time at which I worked there. We were more expensive than other hotel chains considered, 'At that level,' but our rooms generally had more amenities than any hotels in excess of whom we priced ourselves.

We definitely charged more at times than such a hotel would really warrant, but any of those instances are a function of supply and demand, just like most hotels on the friggin' planet.

E.) With respect to the BBB Rating, the hotel didn't/doesn't give a f*** about the BBB rating. Furthermore, the Rating is due to two complaints to the BBB that received no response from the hotel which is an F by default, I believe.

The most recent of those complaints was made on a day AFTER I had stopped working there and concerns a stay that took place AFTER I had stopped working there.

The second of those complaints I was in the process of responding to, but when the owner asked what I was working on and I told him, he responded with, 'F--- the BBB, don't respond.' I asked him three times within a two day period if he was sure we did not want to respond to the BBB complaint, and on all three occasions, I was directly told not to respond.

Again, I don't know what you want from me. Go against the owner's explicit instructions not to respond and risk getting fired?

F.) The newspaper referred to me as an, 'Employee,' so what? I believe managers are employees of places, I believe anyone who is not an owner or a shareholder is an employee. I didn't go out of my way to tell the newspaper I was a manager of any kind, why would I? The place has bad reviews, a prospective future employer could Google me, I have friends in the area.

Don't you guys think if I was proud to be managing that hotel I would have identified it by name myself?

FINANCES:

My financial management was piss poor for several years and still leaves a little to be desired, but I am nowhere near as bad as I was. Did our current President-Elect not have any bankruptcies suddenly? I can't believe my personal finances are being held to question for being an Administrator at a Message Board, but this is the world we live in, I suppose.

I'm not going to accuse anyone of, 'Predatory lending,' but I had $9,000 in available credit across multiple credit cards before I even got out of High School. I made bad decisions with that credit and extensions of future credit and got in debt way over my head way too early in life. I am responsible for my decisions now and I was responsible then, and if I may, they were stupid ass financial decisions.

I've paid the price for those stupid ass financial decisions, so I don't know why I should have to answer for myself in that regard here.

By the time I graduated college the second time, (Bachelor's) in 2006, I was up to my eyeballs in debt despite having worked full-time jobs constantly since the age of seventeen, as well as taking a full course schedule (or more) between the ages of 19-22. In fact, during my last year of college, I had a full-time job, a part-time job and took eighteen credit hours prior to taking a job managing a hotel in the city in which I lived during that time period.

I'm neither bragging nor whining, I worked hard, managed my money terribly, and paid the price. I learned lessons, though there may have been a few lessons that I didn't learn well-enough. It's all straight up financial mismanagement, I barely gambled at all from 2002-2005 (maybe ten casino trips, ever, until late 2005) and I almost didn't gamble at all from 2006-Late 2011, those are the times during which the substantial debts were incurred.

Anyway, I got out of college with a ridiculously high car payment, ridiculously high credit card bills (financial aid/loans certainly didn't cover everything and my parents couldn't contribute, I didn't qualify for certain things because they said parental contribution was expected based on their income) ridiculously high student loan debt, and a personal loan through a bank.

I moved away from that area and back to the area I am from for reasons that I will not get into, though I will say that my help was needed where I am from (the general area of where I live now) for a time. I couldn't find a great job, despite trying, so I took the job that I could find. I did about as well as anyone could with it, I got max commissions based on my sales skills almost every paycheck. I worked 70-80 hours a week to help me stay afloat when open overtime was going on.

I had no business screwing around with relationships given my precarious financial position, but screw around with relationships I did. I met my ex-wife at work in 2006, she got pregnant the following year, you know the story. I took responsibility, doubled down on work, but I should not have even been dating her (or anyone) for her to be in a position to get pregnant by me in the first place, I should have been focused almost solely on paying down my debts faster. I screwed up, in short, not totally unheard of for me, especially not back then.

Keeping a house is expensive, and having just one kid is expensive, but we lived together and without the help of anyone else to pay our bills. Again, I'm not bragging about that, I'm just saying I manned up to my responsibilities the best I could. Some people would have done better, many people have done worse. Many people don't live up to the responsibilities of having children at all.

All of this was not helped by the fact that she was physically unable to work during the last several months of her pregnancy as well as the first several months after her pregnancy due to health complications. That made me not just the sole, but only, income-earner. I have not taken a job in my life that paid less than the one before it, with exception to one occasion where I was told I would be making more and quickly found out that such was untrue.

I took the hotel job, initially, because it paid well for the area in which I live, in which I grew up, in which my children now live and in which my entire family lives. If I could move, I would, but my ex-wife is unwilling to relocate and I am not going to spend lengthy periods of time away from my kids until they are adults.

I got divorced a couple of years ago but entered into an arrangement by which I would pay ALL expenses related to my ex-wife's house until such time that she graduated college with a nursing degree. She has done so and is now employed as an RN. I also paid child support during that time. I did not have to enter into such a one-sided arrangement, but I wanted my kids to have a nice home to live in and good food to eat, so I was absolutely NOT going to abide seeing them in public housing, or any other similar situation.

Finally, I am overly generous. If everyone who owes me money were to pay me right now, I suspect that I would have nearly five figures cash on the desk in front of me instantly. Most of these debts will not be repaid, oh well, not my conscience.

HUSBAND OF THE YEAR:

I was not a perfect husband, and probably was not even a good one. The biggest point of contention between myself and my ex-wife was the amount of time I spent at work, but despite multiple attempts, I couldn't find a job making a greater sum of money on an annualized basis. I found jobs that were certainly worth more on the hour, but would have been significantly less annually without a second part-time job that would result in me probably working just as much.

My ex-wife and I fundamentally are not meant to be married to one another. She was seriously considering ending our relationship prior to finding out that she was pregnant, and I was considering the same thing. Perhaps we should never have been married, but it all seems to have worked out well enough now.

AS A PARENT:

While I may not have been a great husband, I am a very good friend to my ex-wife, and we parent very well together. I am proud to say that we have two kids who are, at least presently, both Straight-A students and otherwise exceptional kids. They are extremely polite and it is in their nature to be giving and generous to others. They are terrific in every way. I am bragging, here.

I am also an excellent parent. Almost everything that I have done and do has been for my kids. I have contributed to teaching my kids right from wrong, I do not impose my views upon them, but rather present them with as many options as I can think of and tell them what my choices and beliefs are. I remain in this area for them. I worked a job that I hated virtually every minute of for nearly a decade for them. Not only have they always eaten, they have always eaten well. Most money that I, 'Waste,' has been wasted on something because it would make them happy. If anyone were to suggest that I am not a good parent, in advance, go fuck yourself.

THE UNDERACHIEVER:

Yes, so what? I have openly said as much. I spent the first several years of my adult life making one bad decision after another and have spent more time since cleaning up my previous messes rather than actually improving. I am now at the point where I can meaningfully improve myself in almost all aspects. I'm not proud of that, I should have been there all along, but I am happy about that.

I should have went to a better school, which would have required actually applying to more schools. I shouldn't have taken a year off before going to college. I should have not gotten into unnecessary debt, though granted, some of the debt was necessary. I shouldn't have spent the first few years of my adult life f***ing up in a way that would take double that amount of time to fix.

I can't change the past, I can only try to do better.

WRITER/AP:

Say what you want. I've never made any great claims. I write about gambling and I am a low-level machine AP, though I do know my stuff in many ways. I have learned from better AP's than myself, and I almost never forget anything that I am told.

I am a low-level hustler. I have worked for and with higher level people and will continue to do so when opportunities arise. If you were to ask them, I believe they would all tell you I am resourceful, competent and generally reliable.

As far as my writing goes, say whatever you like. Love it or hate it, thanks for reading, it keeps me doing it either way.

 

I am not fine with that because it is uncalled for, unwarranted, and directly violates the rules of this site with respect to not posting personal information. Furthermore, I did not directly take issue with that, I have taken issue with him posting my name directly on this board. If I could otherwise not be associated with that hotel, trust me, I wouldn't be. I can't control what else is out there, though.

My main problem, as I have stated, is that at least one casino has taken direct adverse action against me because of my real name being associated with gambling writings. I have already said as much. I'm not talking about something that could theoretically happen, I'm talking about something that did, in fact, happen. That is why I write under a pseudonym to begin with, I did not always write under a pseudonym.

I think it was also mentioned that the first name of my pseudonym is my actual middle name, but I don't see why that matters or should be considered a stupid thing for me to do. Most players do not exist in a casino's database by full first, MIDDLE and last name. Even if they did, it's a really common name.

I don't consider it a back way around the rules for reasons stated, specifically, the disclaimer. It's basically, if you want to read something I wrote that is somewhat inappropriate and does not conform to the Rules of this site, click here, if not, then don't. If I get published, in the paid sense, on a different site, perhaps a place that permits the F-Bomb, and the F-bomb makes its way into my writing, should I not link to that, either?

I think that if someone were to do as you suggested using any of my personal information, such a post/link would be inappropriate, in general. I think it would also be a bannable offense, in that context, if the message contained any personal information.

If someone posted Mission146 this, Mission146 that, I would consider it inappropriate to link to that, BUT I, personally, would not ban someone for that. If they were posting about someone else who is a Member of the Forum, I might remove the link, but I would probably not ban someone for that. I can only speak for myself.

I would also delete any porn links, I would send a PM explaining why, I would ban if the offense was repeated as Trolling.

Certainly, people have linked to other things/writings that may not be WoV appropriate for a post, I'm certain someone has linked to something with mere profanity without a disclaimer, and I would not do anything to that link at all if the question was just one of profane language.

If you want to discuss links to something like porn, picture or video of God knows what kind, to a link that contains profanity and fictional sexual references that are not terribly descriptive and contain disclaimers and look at those in the same light, then you're right and I am wrong. I look at things in terms of severity, so I wouldn't ban someone for posting a link to a written article (or other writing) because somewhere in that writing appeared the word, 'Fuck.' If someone linked to something very similar to what I linked to, then I wouldn't do anything with that, and I don't know whether or not anyone else would. Certainly nobody complained to me about the link, if they had, I would have removed it immediately.

 

Would anyone be kind enough to PM ADMIN and inform him/her that I would like to discuss the matter of having my personal information deleted, please? Again, I am not going to advocate for any bans of anyone of any kind, I simply want the information removed.

If he/she could, I would like him/her to open the PM function for me, as he/she is the only person I will use it to PM.

 

Oh, I forgot one thing that I noticed: I did not vote for Hillary Clinton. I considered it, but I don't know why someone would suggest that I did it or was any great staunch supporter of hers.

 

You are a low level machine player AP, not a card counter or edge sorter AP, so far as I understand.

Given that, what possible concern would you authoring the occasional gambling article be to a casino?

Were you 86'd / barred / trespassed from a casino because of an article you wrote?

If so, I can appreciate your desire to try an retain a shred of anonymity, but if all you do is play low denomination slots, I'd be surprised they'd care.

Oh well, live and learn.

 

I suppose the first thing I should say is, while I am not doing it now, I have worked for other people spotting Blackjack. Basically just playing the minimum and signaling people in, was competent, and might do that again sometime. I have also noticed various Table AP plays that I have passed onto others while just casually watching. Neither of those things are the subject matter, though, as those people wouldn't Google me.

In any event, while I was not banned/trespassed as a result of writing Articles, and I don't want to go into any specifics, I had all of my offers from a casino cancelled by a host as a result of a Google search. I'll leave it at that.

 

Fair 'nuf.

Your candor is both appreciated and, frankly, remarkable.

 

MrV,

Thank you very much for the compliment! I'm not one to shy away from the past, if I did, I would make the same screw-ups all over again. Really, wanting all of my personal information deleted here is an, 'Oh, by the way...' sort of thing. Other than my real name, I wouldn't be all that concerned, but since I NOW have to deal with that anyway, I'm going to request the other stuff be removed, as well.

 

Great responses to everything Mission

 

RE: ZenKing --

He did everything on WOV about as poorly as anyone could do. I doubt many others could be that bad even if they tried.

Not all the advice was great, but it's a forum....not all advice is going to good. Some will be bad.


Yes, he asked for advice about moving to LV and didn't want advice about getting a job or whatever else the hell people said. That doesn't mean it's bad advice or unwarranted. Part of moving to LV to be a professional CC is not 100% blackjack. You gotta get your toes wet and figure out how Las Vegas "works" before you settle in.

KJ, I'm sure you know which games in LV are good and which are not. Some are good on paper and others are not. The El Cortez game is excellent on paper. In reality, it's not. The game at XYZ is poor on paper, but in reality it's a pretty good game. You don't know which games are actually good if you've never played them, only simmed them on CVCX.

Unless you have a super massive bankroll, I don't think anyone moving to LV to be a professional CC should NOT get a part time job. Tendency would be to get to LV, play 10 hour days for a few weeks.....just to be backed off all over town. Instead, get a part-time job like valet. You'll have a small stream of nearly-guaranteed income until you "find your way" in Vegas. You'll also still have plenty of time to play. If you have a massive bankroll, you don't need to worry about income for a little while when you first move to LV.

His posts were extreme naive, to say the least. I mean, he asked the forum how to fill out the paperwork for renting an apartment. Who does that? That's something you would ask your parents.

He then got in a battle with (I think) MathExtremist and others about credit vs cash when buying stuff. Even if his idea of theory is right, it serves him no purpose, as that's not how the world works. Perhaps he should get into politics, instead.

If he moved to Vegas, I really don't think he'd survive long. He'd get into too many confrontations with pit bosses when getting backed off, start throwing down regulations on the table because a card got backed up or some other shit.

IIRC, it seemed like people were trying to help him early in the thread he made. Unfortunately for him, he attacked just about everyone who gave him advice. Why anyone would try to continue to give him advice after that, I don't have any idea. Essentially it looked like this:

ZKG: How do I get an apartment and pay for it? Can I just pay cash? Don't have credit.
User1: You probably can't pay cash up front and need credit.
ZKG: Credit is awful if I was president I'd abolish credit and....
User2: Just get a credit card and you'll start earning credit. Or co-sign onto your parent's credit card so you can start earning credit.
ZKG: I'm just gonna use cash for everything that's the American way. I'm not gonna do any of this free-loader bullshit.
User3: That's not gonna work. What about when you want to buy a house for $100k+? You can't just pay in cash...
ZKG: THATS NOT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. HOW DO I GET AN APARTMENT AND PAY FOR IT WITH CASH AND NOT CREDIT?!?!?!!! IF I WAS PRESIDENT THERED BE NO CREDIT ITD BE ALL CASH. ONLY BUSINESSES COULD GET LOANS, NOT FREE LOADER PEOPLE!!!!!!

 

Thanks for running through the comedy of errors that is your life [Admin Edit: personal info removed as per anti-doxxing rules] (sic). You sound like George Costanza!

What kind of mind thinks they are obligated to share a sorry tale like that with a bunch of strangers? Don't get me wrong, laughter is the best medicine (for us) but have some self respect and keep some things private.

 

Mission, Larry and his cohorts don't let the actual facts get in the way of their idiotic and gratuitous diatribes against others, especially those that belong ot WoV.