Craps Biggest Insult to a Dice Influencer while Shooting

Technically, when the Stickman pushes the dice to the current shooter... YOU ARE A Dice Influencer.

When the dice are pushed to you, the shooter and if you move them from the table... they have been permanently "influenced". If you rotate them to show a 4 up and 6 facing down the table... you are a Dice Influencer and did not realize it.

If you stack the pair of dice in ANY combination, knowing or unknowingly, you have influenced the outcome of the pair of dice FOREVER.

Scratch your head and read the top three paragraphs... again to let this soak into that thick skull.

Dice Influencing for a Dice Chucker, as I am, is routine, non event. You shake the pair of dice in your sweaty palm of your hand... you are a Dice Influencer. But... do not let it go to your head. The handling, orientating, stacking, shaking or juggling the pair of dice before shooting IS Dice Influencing. Now the bad news that you have to pay for to learn:

The DELIVERY of Your PREVIOUSLY INFLUENCED DICE.

This separates the Dice Chuckers, 95% of shooters, from the 5% of serious Dice Influencers. I call them "Dice Handlers" since we are ALL Dice Influencers. Following me to this point?... I hope so.

DELIVERY OF THE PAIR OF DICE... IS THE SECRET OF THE DICE HANDLERS. To nudge the pair of dice to preferred OUTCOMES. Whatever the Dice Handler or the fellow Craps Players... may want to believe is the preferred outcome. Slightly altering the Dice Pyramid of outcomes in a favorable way. Screwing with the Statistical Outcome and Possibilities... curve.

Calling a Dice Influencer, Dice Handler, Dice Controller... that they shoot like a girl, is not the ultimate insult. As a DI the delivery is like Ice Skating... even if the outcome wiped out YOUR and THEIR bankrolls... it sure looks, sweet. A parabolic curve hitting the cloth in a small selected area to bend the randomness of Dice Outcomes... just a little bit for Incoming Chip WINS.

The ultimate insult is to watch a Dice Chucker, when in fact... this IS the craftiest Dice Controller in the City of Las Vegas, or anywhere! How else can a Dice Chucker make wagers, shoot... press wagers... and hit it HOT while repeating Place Bets and Hard Ways and... looking SURPRISED that the dice stayed on the table!

YOU CAN BE THIS DICE CHUCKER INFLUENCER. The secret is not girlie shooting:

As a Shooter and as a Player you have to have a personally tested SYSTEM of Playing Craps, control of Bankroll Management and KNOW when to QUIT with winnings (TIME is not your friend at a table).

The previous parts of this introduction were to emphasize, that without an Aggressive Smart System (like my Full Monte System) you are just another dumb Craps Player, and I use the term "player" loosely. Whenever you put money onto the Craps Layout... play the same tested System through rain, shine, Casino on Fire, earthquakes, power outages, floods, riots... etc.

This may not ring true right now, or tomorrow... but one day when you become as smart as I think I IS and AM... we both learned the same hard way and it is very expensive!

DO I know Craps Mathematics as if I am a professor? Hell no, not necessary. And Statistics... lies, more lies and then there is Statistics... is not necessary. YOU will find that comfort zone. When you do and it wins almost as often as it loses... you can then write this on the Forum and have people tell you the same thing I hear... Are you NUTS? I am, and happy.

Good luck and may the Chip Fairy not be a 1200 pound Steer in your living room.

 

Hear Here SevenOut !!

.... although I do know some girlies that toss the dice very well

As for the Biggest Insult to a Dice Influencer while Shooting .... Consider me a little like Tiger Woods, if I have been standing at the table for 20 minutes But the Boxman never said a word to me until the dice are in my hand -- like asking me what City I am from, etc. .... that's just a little insulting to me

IMO, this is considered Nice polite heat as applied by Bally's and Paris in Las Vegas

 

How about if one of the crew asks you why do you set the dice? Just sayin.

 

No Craps dealer will ask you why you wager the way you do.
No Craps dealer will question how you handle the dice, as long as you handle them with one hand.
The Craps Crew want the game to move along without long delays. Set, squeeze, shoot.

If there is a problem in YOUR PROCEDURE, the Boxman will speak with you, directly, to explain (educate the player) what you are doing... against the table's rule(s). This is intended to "educate" you and those also listening will also understand.

If you ignore this request from the Boxman, you will be speaking, soon, with the Pit Boss and Security and asked to color up, cash out and please exit the Casino.

As long as you are NOT taking an excessive amount of time to set your dice for a shot... the only people, who have an interest in the time taken to prepare for a shot, are the other players at the table. The Casino Staff ask that you make contact with the opposite side rubber with at least one die. Two would be nice... but if they are thrown together... it is legitimate.

...and if you feel the pair of dice are "cold", you can request the Stickman to push all five dies to you to pick another pair.

 

Not true --- I have had several dealers that either admire or question my betting style .... some will actually get into a math discussion with me ... And one dealer at Bellagio asked me if I read Wizard of Odds website

Again, never say never -- we have heard dealers tell us that "Since you use a scientific toss" we must hit the back wall harder to make it bounce back farther .... and some Boxes will strain their neck to see how you are gripping the dice - some even complaining that they can't see the dice in your hand ... even asking you to flip your hand over to show them the dice -- all the time they may even know you are setting the All 7s, but you may be shielding the final setting from other players for a reason

We have heard many comments at the tables -- even 1 Box at Bellagio that kept saying the other day a shooter tossed 7 11s and how he was amazed at how many 11s were tossed - all after you have been handed the dice (it's called a Yo for a reason)

Another Bellagio dealer kept talking about how the weather was 107 yesterday and it will probably be 107 again today -- only after you have been handed the dice -- that's a little uncalled for and should be a clue for you to try another table or at least take down your dealer tips to let them know you do not appreciate their kind of chatty friendliness

These kind of ungrateful dealers will get Casino Employee Comment cards from me as I pull one from my back pocket as I am coloring up and fill it out right there at the table with their name

 

SevenOut,
Harley is right, the dealers are actually very interested in how you wager especially if your betting is outside of what they normally see.

Now there are dealers and then there are 'Company Men'. Ok here is the difference, 'dealers' can be anyone from the lingerie girls to the old guys who just service the game as per company rules but really don't care if you win/lose or whatever. To them it is just a job that they do so they can make money to pay the rent, go gambling or drinking with friends after work. But, 'Company Men' are the more nastier type of person who are trying to position themselves to be groomed for Casino management, or other lofty positions. Such persons just make life miserable for all of those around them, especially the players who uses their brains. Other dealers who work with such persons don't like them because it often means; less tips due to the snide and degrading remarks that the Company Men make towards the players. Mostly from my own interactions with such people, they despise the players and think of us as 'sub humans' who are stupid to even play the games.

I don't know what Casino you would be talking about where the Boxman acts in the way you describe. Mostly if they think you are intentionally short throwing they will just give you the warning and after that instruct the stick to call "no roll' on short rolls. Being 86'ed from a casino for not following the boxes instructions will only happen if the player becomes vocally abusive/threatening to the dealers or displays violence.

 

Lucky for me, I do not spend much time at Craps Tables. I have never experienced the comments of Harley or Mark V relate. When I am at the Craps Table, I do not want to have a conversation with the Craps Crew, Pit Boss, Stickman, Boxman.

I do watch the reactions of the shooter's end dealer when the shooter goes through some Hocus Pocus, as if putting a charm onto the pair of dice, each time they shoot. Other than that... leave me out of the conversation.

 

some naive players like to say that heat is contagious -- here is a post today by irish on the censored board within an hour of my posting above on the same subject:

.... most of those type of comments are made by crap players that play at the red chip level or on their computer

Heat like "Hit the back wall" is very discriminatory and too often based upon how many chips are in your rack .... If you buy-in for a few hundred, and your toss hit some chips or you accidentally missed the back wall with one of your die on maybe one out of eight tosses, you are more likely to get this kind of heat

However, if you buy-in for $5,000. and you as the next shooter on the same table miss the back wall every 4th roll by a foot or even two, you will not receive any stern warnings from the Box as long as you have thousands of chips STILL in your rack or have a hefty marker available at that Casino

The reasoning is simple - the Casino staff will be nicer to you as long as you have chips in your rail because they do not want to scare you away until your chips are in the Casino's bank - it is Customer Service 101 and similar to the business advise given by Martin Scorsese's in The Wolf of Wall Street by Matthew McConaughey to Leonardo DiCaprio:

Wall Street stock brokers are just like Casino Suits and dealers - most really don't care if you make money, they just want your money invested thru them .... My experience is that the Casino staff will quit being nice to you and start applying discriminatory heat somewhere between the $2,000. to $5,000. dollar buy-in depending on the tolerance level of the Casino

If you buy-in for less, you are just a gnat or threat to the Casino management (if black chip bettors may be on the table) and not really worth their time so they would rather see you gone than there - thus the discriminatory heat. They really don't care about the few hundred dollars of chips in your rack until it is enough to be worth their time.

(Cue in here the parallel management theory behind free rooms if you win big, they want you to stay so you play more and risk your monies)