Roulette A Challenge 2 - for Turbo M

I think Jefra hit the nail on the head.

 

That's a good "main question" indeed - and the answer isn't that hard at all once you see it.

 

I was messing around with this idea again tonight. It's interesting.
For something a bit different, I tried it on the streets. I will break it all down into 3 cycles of 12 spins each.

1. 32=11 one
2. 9=3 one
3. 16=6 one
4. 33=11 two
5. 27=9 one
6. 32=11 three
7. 20=7 one
8. 10=4 one
9. 17=6 two
10. 4=2 one
11. 23=8 one
12. 13=5 one

The result for cycle 1.

1. x (no hit)
2. -2
3. -10
4. -4
5. 0
6. 0
7. -5
8. -1
9. -7
10. x
11. +11
12. x
Total = -18

13. 6=2 two
14. 6=2 three
15. 6=2 four
16. 18=6 three
17. 24=8 two
18. 14=5 two
19. 9=3 two
20. 12=4 two
21. 9=3 three
22. 12=4 three
23. 8=3 four
24. 20=7 two

The result for cycle 2.

1. x
2. +30
3. +51
4. +18
5. -6
6. -8
7. 0
8. -7
9. -12
10. x
11. -36
12. x
Total = +30
Grand Total = +12

25. 8 =3 five
26. 21=7 three
27. 19=7 four
28. 29=10 one
29. 23=8 three
30. 4=2 five
31. 13=5 three
32. 20=7 five
33. 8=3 six
34. 8=3 seven
35. 3=1 one
36. 27=9 two

The result for cycle 3.

1. -1
2. -6
3. +116
4. -36
5. -5
6. -36
7. +61
8. -7
9. 0
10. -8
11. -36
12. x
Total = +42
Grand Total = +54

And here is the appearance of the streets and how many above or below expectation.

1. 1 -2
2. 5 +2
3. 7 +4
4. 3 0
5. 3 0
6. 4 +1
7. 5 +2
8. 3 0
9. 2 -1
10. 1 -2
11. 3 0
12. 0 -3

That's 4 streets above expectation, 4 bang on the average and 4 below. (as normally happens)

The progression was betting 1 chip on a street when it appeared and raising a chip on the street on each subsequent appearance.
The 12 street never got played (no losses) and the 1 street appeared on spin 35 and so only got bet once with 1 chip on spin 36.

A quick and simple test, but I see the logic behind it.

 

Eugene, this is your graph.

 

Watch out - the anti system people are about to tell you that your insane.
Not losing a single $ on a location that didn't show up ? Winning on the ones that do ??
They don't understand the logic in this even though it's smacking them in the face.
Maybe it's all just too obvious. Like when you're looking for your sunglasses and search each room only to find out 1/2 hour later that they are on your head.

 

What bites you in the ass is when your numbers hit early and the they stop hitting.

The system will fail.

 

It is EXACTLY what Dr.Sir wrote above!!!!!

The main problem starts when very hot numbers suddenly freeze.


I think that all players here or those who are testing this way of playing, are facing with this problem AND because of this fact noone cannot be happy and are frustrated because of Turbo's claim about his Holy Grail.

BUT fact is that Turbo is hidding something very important, or can happen that he ....

Just see Gizmotron how much he is frustrated with Turbo's system. His feelings goes in cycles from happienss to disappointment and again next time from another hints to next euphoria and later after masive tests back to disappointment.

Also other guys became quiet as are: Fossell, Armitage Shunks, Bombus, Michaela,... Even Mr.J is quiet as a grave, because he exactly knows about this problem.


For example; one number came out 5x in first 60 spins, but then it will not show up next 100 spins. Player now plays this number with more units (because Turbo said that progression is very important). Now imagine how much you can lose if play that number with $100 as Turbo is doing. All is perfect when a hot numbers are coming up, BUT what when they don't ??? And longer you play, faster will catch that scenario.


So the main question still remains and it is: WHEN drop out a hot number (or when reduce wager on it), after how many spins it has not appeared???


From example above, if a number does not come out next 30 spins, a player will lose on it 30 x $100 = $3.000 !!!

So Turbo, after how many spins you would stop play that Hot number with $100 bets on it or after how many spins you would reduce wager on it ??????????????

Or maybe you start to play also other hot-1 numbers with same $100 wagers in same time?

Turbo, if you don't want to publicaly answer on that question above, then, please, send me email : [email protected]
Thanks.

 

Of course. TG contradicts himself but doesn't seem to realize it. On the one hand he admits that outcomes are random (he even says that his success DEPENDS on the randomness!), meaning that each number has the same chance of a hit, and at the same time he asserts that numbers which are currently hot will stay hot, or at least hot enough so that with the help of a progression you can make a consistent profit.

In the first place, no progression can CREATE an edge. A progression is merely an amplifier of the edge. If the edge remains negative the progression will amplify your losses and if positive it will amplify your wins. So the primary concern should be to first get the edge.

Why does this method of bet selection not confer an edge? It should be obvious why given that each number has the same chance of a hit. Suppose you track numbers and create a list in which the hottest numbers are placed at the top and the coldest at the end, and the list is updated after every spin. You're betting on the top 4 numbers in the list. Over time these top 4 numbers will of course change, but that's not a problem because you'll always be betting them. However, if you watch the way the rankings change, you'll notice that it's a continuous process of numbers moving up and down with no order or pattern to it. And this is to be expected if all numbers have the same chance of hitting. There is no "force" or law which says the numbers at the top will be dominant or change more often than any other selection of 4 numbers in the list. The top 4 can remain static while others lower down can be moving up, and it's impossible to predict which set of numbers are about to become more active.

In fact each set of 4 numbers in the list has exactly the same chance of being "active" as any other set of 4 numbers further down. A statistical analysis will show that this is the case. And choosing the top 4 numbers will result in the same number and length of losing (and winning) streaks as any randomly picked set of 4 numbers which you preselect before play and stick with for the entire time.

It's an excercise in futility. There is no "bet selection" in a random game; it's an oxymoron.

 

Damn near everything Sir Anyone and Turbo Moron said is true and factual.
Maybe your best bet (since you believe what you say... and should) is to re-read your own posts.
You might even find out that you're telling yourself the answers in your own statements.
Going today (it's been a while) - will post results later. As much as I love a good burger Sir Anyone, I'll take a nice big glass of cold milk.

 

Thanks Jefra for the chart! Going by what you guys have said regarding the issues encountered, I am going to look into just repeating the first cycle on a loop. My research tells me that you are roughly going to get 12 numbers appearing above expectation per 37 spins. I agree that there will be times when the cold numbers start turning into warm/hot numbers and the hot numbers cool down. By just playing in a one cycle loop, you prevent yourself from landing in the situation where you may be betting 6 chips on a number and it doesn't show for two cycles costing you 444 chips. Regarding the progression, an idea may be to raise by 1 unit on each loop if you are not in a profit. Does it matter if one particular number comes up 12 times in 6 cycles or different numbers come up 3/4 times each playing the cycles in a loop. You would still catch any number that goes crazy and avoid big losses on numbers that go stone cold after showing up a few times early.

 

I ran 3 cycles using the loop suggestion from my post above.
I will list the spin number for when a number hit above expectation (2 hits) and how much I would bet on the number for the following spin.

Cycle 1.

10. 34 bet 1
11. 25 bet 1
15. 30 bet 1
17. 29 bet 1
20. 8 bet 1
21. 11 bet 1
22. 25 bet 2
24. 25 bet 3
26. 11 bet 2
27. 16 bet 1
29. 11 bet 3
30. 3 bet 1
34. 21 bet 1
35. 32 bet 1
37. 21

Total = +57

There are 10 numbers in this cycle which hit above expectation and I would have had 5 wins.
3 x 1 chip.
2 x 2 chips.

Cycle 2.

12. 24 bet 1
16. 2 bet 1
21. 20 bet 1
23. 9 bet 1
25. 27 bet 1
28. 27 bet 2
29. 4 bet 1
31. 28 bet 1
33. 11 bet 1
34. 28 bet 2
37. 28

Total = +25

8 numbers in this cycle which hit above expectation and I would have won 3 times.
2 x 1 chip.
1 x 2 chips.

Cycle 3.

7. 21 bet 1
10. 11 bet 1
12. 21 bet 2
13. 17 bet 1
17. 21 bet 3
21. 0 bet 1
23. 2 bet 1
24. 2 bet 2
25. 16 bet 1
27. 13 bet 1
29. 2 bet 3
31. 1 bet 1
34. 9 bet 1
35. 27 bet 1
36. 27 bet 2
37. 31

Total +41

11 numbers hit above expectation. 5 wins.
3 x 1 chip.
2 x 2 chips.

If the wins average out over a period of time regardless if you just keep using a fresh 37 spin cycle or carry on with the same numbers, then this seems a safer way to me. You can see in these three cycles how different numbers were the hottest.

 

eugene,

There are many ways you can bet on "hot" numbers, including the "obvious" ways which TG is alluding to, but there's no way to make it work consistently. What use are stats when the odds are fixed and the outcomes random? He's leading you all on a merry dance, don't fall for it.

 

Out of curiosity, I ran 30 games using just the 1 cycle to see what would happen. There was 15 winning games and 15 losing games.

+251
+251
+137
+123
+98
+93
+82
+63
+57
+41
+35
+25
+22
+5
+3


-122
-95
-83
-80
-68
-67
-64
-53
-45
-45
-41
-38
-27
-10
-3

+1286 against -841 for a gain of 445 over the 1110 spins.

 

Can you post the order of the games, how many losing games did you have in a row? Lastly, where did you gather your intel?

 

Here you go Bobby!

+57
+25
+41
+137
+251
+3
-95
+5
-41
+251
+123
-3
-10
-45
-27
-53
-38
-80
+8
-45
+35
-122
-64
+63
+82
-83
+93
+98
-68
-67

I took random cards from my collection of spins. All from live wheels in my area.

 

How do you mean you play in a loop?

 

You would only play the first 37 spins and then start again.

 

Ok, thanks.

 

Thanks Eugene!